I see Xtra has moved its email to Yahoo in Australia

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Tony, Aug 18, 2007.

  1. Tony

    Tony Guest

    [[email protected] ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz
    pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for pop3.tnz.yahoo.com.
    pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com.
    pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has address 124.108.96.66



    [[email protected] ~]# traceroute pop3.xtra.co.nz
    traceroute to pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com (124.108.96.66), 30 hops
    max, 38 byte packets
    1 fe-1-1-0-213-jcore3.wxnz.net (58.28.96.17) 0.401 ms 0.401 ms
    0.355 ms
    2 ge-0-0-0-akl-core1.wxnz.net (58.28.8.8) 0.608 ms 0.445 ms 0.484 ms
    3 Gi9-1.gw1.AKL1.asianetcom.net (203.192.166.105) 0.489 ms 0.580 ms
    0.479 ms
    4 ip-202.147.55.210.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.210) 0.735 ms 59.904
    ms 1.479 ms
    5 po4-0.cr2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.254) 23.844 ms 23.702 ms
    24.089 ms
    6 po12-2.gw2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.40.126) 23.972 ms 24.343
    ms 23.844 ms
    7 202.167.228.35 (202.167.228.35) 24.467 ms 24.647 ms 25.588 ms
    8 gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.968 ms
    gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.133 ms
    gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.567 ms
    9 *
     
    Tony, Aug 18, 2007
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  2. Which neatly circumvents all our privacy and surveillance laws.
     
    Mark Robinson, Aug 18, 2007
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  3. Tony

    Steve Guest


    Well, not for certain, but probably. They are storing your email at that
    address, but the mail servers aren't necessarily there. Yahoo are
    certainly managing all mail for them, but...

    $ dig mx xtra.co.nz

    ; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> mx xtra.co.nz
    ;; global options: printcmd
    ;; Got answer:
    ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 54943
    ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 0

    ;; QUESTION SECTION:
    ;xtra.co.nz. IN MX

    ;; ANSWER SECTION:
    xtra.co.nz. 300 IN MX 10 mx1.tnz.mail.yahoo.com.
    xtra.co.nz. 300 IN MX 20 mx2.tnz.mail.yahoo.com.

    ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
    xtra.co.nz. 86400 IN NS terminator.xtra.co.nz.
    xtra.co.nz. 86400 IN NS alien.xtra.co.nz.

    ;; Query time: 373 msec
    ;; SERVER: 10.0.0.201#53(10.0.0.201)
    ;; WHEN: Sat Aug 18 15:13:39 2007
    ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 131


    So there are 2 mail servers in use by xtra. mx1 and mx2. Both point to the
    same IP address, 124.108.96.67. This reports to be running ysmtp software,
    which is as far as I know, yahoo's own.

    However, attempts at geolocation of the servers actually fails - although
    one of the services says it's in Hong Kong, and a somewhat smarter one
    (ipaddresslocation.org ) supports your theory, and puts it somewhere on
    Oz, but hidden.

    Steve
     
    Steve, Aug 18, 2007
    #3
  4. That's called "outsourcing".
     
    Jonathan Walker, Aug 18, 2007
    #4
  5. No it doesn't.

    Telecom must obey the law, and the contract that they have agreed.

    The fact that Telecom has outsourced it's SMTP server does not remove from
    it the obligation to honour it's legal and contractural obligations.
     
    Jonathan Walker, Aug 18, 2007
    #5
  6. Interesting. According to the latest version of
    <ftp://ftp.apnic.net/public/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-latest>, that IP
    address is in a range assigned to region code "AP". But there's no such
    country or TLD.
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Aug 18, 2007
    #6
  7. Given that internet usage in Asia is growing quickly I think that it is
    now time for IP addresses to be assigned to countries rather than to the
    nebulous "asia pacific" region.
     
    Jonathan Walker, Aug 18, 2007
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  8. Tony

    Mickey Mouse Guest

    I would think Asia-Pacific is a logical region code, even if domain names
    aren't assigned along similar lines to the EU.
     
    Mickey Mouse, Aug 18, 2007
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  9. Tony

    Tony Guest

    Look at the trace, I would be extremely surprised if that was not in
    Australia -

    [[email protected] ~]# tcptraceroute 124.108.96.66 110
    traceroute to 124.108.96.66 (124.108.96.66), 30 hops max, 110 byte packets
    1 fe-1-1-0-213-jcore3.wxnz.net (58.28.96.17) 0.703 ms 10.361 ms
    10.392 ms
    2 ge-0-0-0-akl-core1.wxnz.net (58.28.8.8) 0.512 ms 0.630 ms 0.539 ms
    3 Gi9-1.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net (203.192.166.105) 0.527 ms 0.373 ms
    0.493 ms
    4 ip-202.147.55.210.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.210) 0.644 ms 0.710
    ms 0.758 ms
    5 po4-0.cr2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.254) 23.532 ms 23.707
    ms 23.675 ms
    6 po12-1.gw2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.40.122) 24.133 ms 23.718
    ms 23.708 ms
    7 202.167.228.35 (202.167.228.35) 24.714 ms 25.041 ms 25.151 ms
    8 gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.781 ms
    gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.638 ms
    gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.835 ms
    9 pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com (124.108.96.66) 168.982 ms
    168.917 ms 165.367 ms
    [[email protected] ~]#
     
    Tony, Aug 18, 2007
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  10. Tony

    Tony Guest

    Outsourcing a core competency of a company is rarely a good move for the
    companies customers. If Xtra can't do email, well I guess they are good
    at making ads.. nope outsourced.. how about helpdesk.. nope
    outsourced... well network.. no outsourced (to Telecom)... hmm
     
    Tony, Aug 18, 2007
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  11. Tony

    Tony Guest

    well network.. no outsourced (to Telecom)... hmm


    oops... that's outsourced to Alcatel..
     
    Tony, Aug 18, 2007
    #11
  12. Isn't that entirely owned by Telecom?
     
    Jonathan Walker, Aug 18, 2007
    #12
  13. Point.

    Mock.
     
    Mark Robinson, Aug 18, 2007
    #13
  14. Yahoo is not Telecom.

    NZ law only applies in NZ.

    Point.

    Mock.
     
    Mark Robinson, Aug 18, 2007
    #14
  15. Tony

    Steve Guest

    Works ok for Coke. All they own is a recipe.
     
    Steve, Aug 18, 2007
    #15
  16. Which is where Telecom NZ is based.
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Aug 18, 2007
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  17. Tony

    Steve Guest

    I thought Lucent had a fair share.
     
    Steve, Aug 18, 2007
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  18. Tony

    Steve Guest

    gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.638 ms
    I wou;dn't bet on it. Are you basing this on the hostnames? Look at the
    delay times.

    ....and don't log in as root :)
     
    Steve, Aug 18, 2007
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  19. Mark Robinson, Aug 18, 2007
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  20. Tony

    Gordon Guest

    Go on try and copy the shape of their bottle to yours as competition. Or the
    name etc..
     
    Gordon, Aug 18, 2007
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