how long before fuel prices drop?

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by richard, Oct 11, 2008.

  1. richard

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    chuckcar added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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    How about clarifying exactly what the Hell you're talking about.
    I hold out the possibility that I am misunderstanding you but I
    can't make your numbers box. I cannot think of any place in the
    world except maybe Venezuela that sells gas for a buck a gallon
    including gas. Crude closed yesterday at just under $76/barrel
    which is $1.81/gallon before transportation and refining. Our
    taxes are the lowest of any country in the world except those
    that subsidize gas, again such as Venezuala yet my hit is about
    60 cents/gallon.
    I don't cotton to political labels because they are never
    accurate. But, unlike you, I can and do provide proof. And, the
    sure sign of a defeated person in a factual debate is the
    desperation they will go through to salvage their honor as you
    are, usually by resorting sooner or later to personal attack.

    I have, now and will continue to "rant" about socialists,
    Socialists, Marxists, communists, Communists and them other -
    ists. But, in your case, what "bloody provincial Yanks" are all
    about is that you're green with envy, not that you are better
    than me.

    Now, in keeping with my notion of not trying to reason with
    fools, you'll have to find someone else to argue with with so
    much futility.
     
    HEMI-Powered, Oct 16, 2008
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  2. richard

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    chuckcar added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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    You need to go back and read your own babble, oh jackenapes loon.
    I'm not going to engage in president Bashing but Nixon called for
    greater fuel efficiency when oil imports were 17%, Carter ditto
    at 25%, ... and now Bush when oil imports are above 68% and
    rising almost straight up. Now, since Canada has not had a
    domestic car industry since before the Great Depression, by
    definition you don't know squat about it. And again, since you're
    so clearly demonstrated that you're a truculent blooter which
    fits the general definition of a fool I don't try to reason with,
    maybe you should plonk me so as not to be confused by the facts,
    Socialist Loon.
     
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  3. richard

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    Aardvark added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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    I know what a fatalist is, Aardvark, I just are not one, OK? But,
    it is Okey, Dokey with me if you or anyone else wants to be.

    I like a TV show about our Naval Criminal Investigative Service,
    called aptly enough, "NCIS". The head NCIS special agent Leroy
    Jethro Gibbs played by Marc Harmon has a saying that there is no
    such thing as a coincidents. In general, I am in accord with
    Gibbs' fictional view but I do allow for the effects of
    synchronicity.
    It isn't my intent to divert attention from oil to politics to
    religion. I have my beliefs, others have theirs. Here's a way to
    look at this in a non-confrontive way you might like. Real story,
    documented on the web although I didn't keep the site for ref
    like I should have:

    Seems that an Ivy League college freshman philosophy student gave
    his lecture class the assigment of writing a theme paper on
    whether the number of souls/people in Hell was going up, going
    down, or staying the same. The next week after the papers were
    turned in, the professor announced that every student but one got
    an F. The other one got an A. His rationale was beauty in itself
    due to its utter simplicity.

    He said that because the number of world organized religions and
    sub-religions was upwards of 100 and each one insists that only
    their believers will ever see the concept of Heaven - all others
    going to The Other Place - since the world's population has been
    steadily increasing at a geometric rate, by definition ALL people
    are going to Hell since it is logically impossible to subscribe
    to 100 religions.

    Meaning, even atheists and agnostics will eventually have to fess
    up and will learn that the concept of a supreme being of some
    sort is real.

    Now,coming back full circle from transcendalism to science, how
    can it possibly be true that at the same time there are multiple
    stories of a great flood, multiple places where pyramids were
    built and other simple-to-understand events? Looking outward to
    the stars, how can it be possible that from our very myopic view
    through a telescope, using the Doppler Effect of a shift to the
    red end of the light spectrum indicating that all the stars are
    rapidly fleeing from each other leading to the idea of the Big
    Bang, how could that have actually happened?

    Next, how is it at all possible that ALL life found anywhere is
    carbon based? And, absent "Forbidden Planet" hyperdrive and "Star
    Trek" warp drive, how is it that there is a finite speed to
    light, and why is it so slow and so exact? Even Einstein's
    General Theory of Relativity extended his Special concept that as
    velocity approaches the speed of light, mass goes to infinity is
    now in serious question as is his concept of the space-time
    continuum indicating that there are far more than 4 dimensions
    and on the order of 40 or more sub-atomic particles.

    This sort of this just cannot be coincidence. That hardly means
    that it is proof of a God or deity or supreme being because the
    foundations of religion rest on faith and not scientific proof.

    I will give you my own "proof" of how Genesis and Darwin,
    Einstein and Big Bang and that other crap boxes: I believe that
    there was not one Garden of Eden and not one Adam and Eve but
    many, at least a dozen. Forgetting for a moment that sex was
    incestuous for a great number of generations by the realities of
    power of two population increases, consider the provable
    scientific evidence that in prehistoric times infant mortality
    was exceptionally high while life expectancy was exceptionally
    low, both compared to modern times.

    In order to account for these affects/effects and also to allow
    for normal natural disasters, it would have been prudent for the
    God who gave us the Ten Commandments would have hedged his bets
    by diversifying the locations of the Garden in order to maximize
    the chances for human population growth.

    I offer one more piece of proof in refutation of coincidence or
    maybe even fatalism: except for the rather sudden demise of
    anthropological races due to PC, what else except multiple Adams
    and Eve could possibly account for such differences - now called
    "diversity" of physical appearance from Europeans to Asians to
    Middle Easterners to Africans to ...? Well, my notion is that
    physical differences ARE Darwinian in that adaptation must have
    taken place through evolution which is still in motion today,
    albeit so slowly that it cannot be measured. I don't ascribe to
    it, but many scientists today claim that life began in the
    primordal African continent until the continents we know today
    detached.

    Oh, well, so much for philosophy. BTW, have you followed any of
    chuckcar's increasing vehemence toward my views? he/she/it who
    doth not use a shift key is just as entitled to opinions as
    anyone, but uses far less logic and respect than do you so I will
    say to you in friendship that I have truly enjoyed the ride and
    look forward to more discussion of other issues in future.

    Have a great Thursday. Got one more post to reply to.
     
    HEMI-Powered, Oct 16, 2008
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  4. richard

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    Aardvark added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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    I am at the same time an optimist, pessimist, cynic and several
    other things, depending on the situation and point in my life.
    One definition of pessimist I've always liked is ...

    A pessimist is someone who feels bad when he feels good for fear
    he'll feel worse when he feels better.

    Unless we want to drink the poison Kool-Aid, in the game of life,
    one MUST be an optimist or go insane.

    Now, SHMBO? She Who Must Be Obeyed? Had to Google for this one,
    but still don't know WHO this is. Enlighten if you please.
     
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  5. richard

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    He is always backtracking. States a "fact", then denies it the very
    next post.

    It's just what he does.
     
    Pennywise, Oct 16, 2008
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  6. richard

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    Yeah, that *should* have been $1.00 per *litre*. It would actuall be even
    worse than you say below as our gallon is 5/4ths yours roughly.
    Well, you *could* if you even bothered to learn the differences. I
    notice you left out Marxist-Leninist, which is probably because
    you confuse it with communism. And yes socialism *has* worked. In
    Denmark, Sweden, The Netherlands, Germany and France to name a few.
    It *doesn't* work In China because it's not properly done there.
    Those European countries BTW are *always* among the top 15 in standard
    of living, something the US virtually *never* is. Plutocracy will do
    that.
     
    chuckcar, Oct 16, 2008
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  7. richard

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    No, we haven't had one since the auto pact, when your US companies
    took over everything. I bet you've never heard of a Bricklin either?
    The car the De Lorean was based on. That was our last gasp - in the
    70's.
     
    chuckcar, Oct 16, 2008
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  8. richard

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    chuckcar added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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    Sounds better. Oil closed yesterday at under $70/barrel for the
    first time in 14 months. I am more and more convinced that this
    sudden drop is the result of people in the futures market being
    unable to leverage their market manipulations. However, the time
    it takes to get "new oil" from the well head to the gas pump is
    3-6 weeks which explains the lag to lower gas prices and not some
    price fixing conspiracy.
    How do you know that I don't understand the differences? These
    are not that tough concepts to understand but can be difficult or
    impossible to explain - especially to them who are in those
    philosophies by choice and have totally closed their minds to
    creative thought. Get it?

    The notion of wealth redistribution has NEVER worked anywhere
    without some sort of artificial meddling because it cannot work.
    Human nature sees to that. Corruption and greed are not just
    concepts of capitalism and democracy, they exist everwhere and
    have since the earliest known examples of civilization. If you
    cannot or will not see this, it will not be possible enage in
    meaningful dialogue with you.

    Now, please take some remedial classes in world history,
    economics, finance, and maybe philosophy as it applies to the
    major political systems in contemporary times.
     
    HEMI-Powered, Oct 17, 2008
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  9. richard

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    chuckcar added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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    You don't know me at all or you wouldn't make assinine statements
    like this. I am well familiar with the car biz, having worked in
    it since 1969 and had an interest since the 1950s. YOur "last
    gasp" by a truly brilliant guy, but with a flawed mind - John Z.
    Delorean - resulted in heinous corporate crimes for which he
    narrowly escaped a lifetime of incarceration.

    Canadians have long had an overzealous notion of patriotism far
    in excess of your true accomplishments, but let's stick to cars.
    There has been NO independent car production not founded or
    financed by American or other foreign countries in Canada since
    about 1928-29. Go to your local library to study up.

    As to anyone "taking over", capitalism doesn't work that way,
    especially after the world instituted trust busting laws in the
    early 20th Century. The rise of the Big Three and later the
    Asians and Europeans is because they had - in their day - a
    better mousetrap. Socialists are not given to accepting that a
    free market is the most efficient economic system the world has
    ever know when it comes to innovation of goods and services, yet
    it must be carefully tempered with realistic regulation.
     
    HEMI-Powered, Oct 17, 2008
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  10. richard

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    John H. Guillory added these comments in the current discussion
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    Prices are generally stuck in the US right now in the $2.80-2.90
    range which is consistent with oil in the mid-$80s range. It is
    dropping - closed yesterday under $70 - so we can expect more
    easing in a month or so. As the market resolves price distortions
    when oil gets back into the $50-60 range, retail prices will
    likely also get back to pre-hysteria values in the low-2 dollar
    range. I am discounting taxation and currency considerations and
    just commenting on the US market, not Canada or abroad.
     
    HEMI-Powered, Oct 17, 2008
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