How do I share my adsl line to 2 routers ?

I want to "split" or share my adsl line between two routers ! I've been
digging on the web and apparantly I need a "switch" that somehow shares
something (my adsl line) ! ...see how much I've learnt !!!

The longish story is that the hardware I have doesn't seem to be flexible
enough, (plus I don't like the Orange Livebox adsl/modem/router+wireless g
with WEP/WPA because the inadequate firmware in the router seems to have
been purposely designed to keep anything that looks remotely technical
hidden form the user, e.g. I can't select AES over TKIP in it etc. I can't
easily match the "master" wireless settings in the Orange Live box with
those of a Linksys WMP54G pci wireless g card, that's in Dad's PC in the
house, because in the Orange firmware they're simply not made available, or
called something else ! Even the firewall has four novice "level" settings
instead of proper controls like in the Linksys, and it seems that different
manufacturers give different names and labels to the same things! I have to
"trial and error" to match wireless settings on in Dads' PC - fortunately
there are more comprehensive and flexible settings in the Linksys pci card
software. Also, some sort of design fault in the Orange Livebox means that
people who have one, can no longer access their free Orange webspace,
(they're aware of this and claim to be looking into it). Not that I ever
use my website for much but, I like to try and have a short practice every
few weeks. ....I digress....

The Orange Livebox has the normal rj11 plug-hole into which one plugs the
adsl signal, and an additional rj11 plug hole into which one plugs an
ordinary 'phone, in order to make use of the free Orange VOIP 'phone calls
that start with 01 or 02 , a hardware facility that is of course not present
on my Linksys WAG354G adsl/modem/router+wireless g, and one that I want to
keep and use.
....so I want to use both routers so that I can use the free VOIP 'phone call
facility on the Orange Live box, and use my Linksys for broadband sent to my
PC on rj45 lead and wirelessly to Dads' PC in the house ! (I use DECT
digital cordless phones to get the "free" VOIP phone calls into the house).

.....any idea how I can use both routers at once, and/or what else I need to
buy ?

regards, Richard

 

Hi
In order to split between two Routers you need an ISP account that allows
two independent external IPs.
You then connect a switch to the Modem, plug the two Routers to the switch
and each Router gets its own WAN IP.
Otherwise you can try to disable the Wireless on you current device, buy a
Good Wireless Router and use it as an Access Point.
http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html
Or create a segregated Network for the Wireless,
http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html
Jack (MVP-Networking).

 

Disable WiFi on the Orange Livebox.
Disable DHCP on the Linksys WAG354G.
Connect a UTP patch cable between the two.

That way you are using the Livebox as the broadband router and VOIP
gateway, and the WAG354G as a WiFi access point/Ethernet switch,
with no special ISP account or equipment needed.

 

Thanks Jack,

I'll be "having a go" at this soon

regards, Richard

 

Thanks "Frazer,"

I think I see what you mean ;-)

I'm guessing that I have to use cross-over lan lead, ...and that I have to
change one of the Gateway addresses, they're both 192.168.1.1 atm.
....this all seems a bit similar to http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html that
Jack hyperlinked me on this thread !

....I've never got grips with networking in 25+years working on micros !
....always avoided networks.

....I suspect I'm in for some fun with this attempt.

regards, Richard

 

Check the specs for the Linksys device. Many of them have "Auto-Cross
Over (MDI/MDI-X)" ports so you may not actually need a cross-over cable.

 

Thanx LEM, will bear that in mind.
I'm looking forwards to this, too tired to get on and tackle it now, will
try tommorrow,

regards, Richard

 

.... Yes, but auto-sensing is very common these days

.... You'll need to disable the gateway function in the Linksys, e.g.
by choosing an address in a different subnet.


Phone socket
|
Splitter
| | WAG354G
| |____LiveBox_____| |____PCs, wired or wireless
| |
| |__VOIP phone(s)
|
|__Analogue phone(s)

 

You may also want to take a look at this page of Jacks;
http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html and this diagram
http://www.ezlan.net/network/shield.jpg your livebox would be the "Front"
Router in this diagram, your Linksys would be the Shield Router. You would
need to change the DHCP server settings of the WAG354G to use a different
IP space than the livebox, say 10.0.0.1 or any thing so both routers are not
using the same IP space 192.168.1.1. Or you could move the WAG354G to
192.168.2.1

I would suggest that if you try this, you set the livebox to pass everything
to the WAG354G, by putting the WAG354G in the demilitarized zone, or set it
to play online games.

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Well, thanks to all for your reponses and help.
I'm trying to picture all this in my head, to try and "picture" what goes
where, before having a go !
....and in what best order to do it
The theoretical scenario, (the more I ponder on it), raise lots more
questions in my head !

adsl lead stays or "ends up" plugged into Livebox where it is atm.
Linksys will eventually be 2nd in the "chain", connected to Livebox by
ethernet crossover, (or 'autosensed' straight through rj45 lead etc.).
I obviously have to access Linksys and change its' Gateway IP address to
something other than 192.168.1.1 e.g. 192.168.1.2
Livebox will have a demilitarized IP address set in it, ...which is the new
Gatway address of the Linksys ?, ...which must be different than the default
192.168.1.1 that's in both of them ?
....wireless is switched off in Livebox, ...DHCP is off in Linksys but, stays
on in Livebox ? ...I don't understand that, feels like it should be the
other way around !

Anyway, here's my guestimated procedure sequence !

Livebox currently connected, so switch off wireless in Livebox settings.
Yank firewall down to Low, (Livebox menu says "to be able to set a
demilitarized zone, first set firewall to Low..." or something like that).
So, put 192.168.1.2 into demilitarized zone, and yank firewall back to
Medium, ( I hate these Livebox menus !) ...or will that cause problems,
....or will the Linksys NAT firewall cover everything ?

Connect Linksys and change it's Gateway address from 192.168.1.1 to
something else e.g. 192.168.1.2,
and switch off DHCP. (....so how will Dads' WMP54G get it's IP address from
WAG354G with no DHCP ? , or will this cuase me to have to make manual
settings in WMP54G software - I don't think it's that flexible !)

....but reading through your posts, I've got the suspicion that I'm going to
end up with two ranges of IP addresses, one range in Livebox, and another
range in Linksys that conflict ?

....have to go away and make a cup of coffee now b4 destroying it all !

regards, Richard

 

...tho' looking at
quoted from http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html

"
Example:
- Main Router's base address is 192.168.1.1, with a DHCP server range of
192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.150 (is this my Livebox?)
- Set the Cable/DSL Router to (the one you're using as an Access Point) base
address to any IP address between 192.168.1.151 to 192.168.1.250 (is this my
Linksys?)
Second Step: Switch Off the DHCP on the Wireless Cable/DSL Router, and set
to Off any filters or special settings that is On if it is used as the main
Router.
"
<grin>

regards, Richard

 

Forget all me earlier ramblings...IT'S WORKING.

BiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiG thanx to all

regards, Richard

 

The Orange Livebox and Linksys WAG354G are working, in the way you all
explained !!!

Well, the Livebox has the adsl line going into it, and there is a short rj45
lead, (possibly cross-over, or autosensed crosssover on a straight through
lead if you see what I mean).

....and there is my usual long rj45 lead from Linksys to my PC, and web and
email are working on it.

Next I have to go into the house and see if Dads' PC's WMP54G will connect
to the WAG354G out here, which I don't see how it can with DHCP switched off
in WAG254G ....

....and I can access the innards of both routers with 192.168.1.1 for the
Livebox ad 192.168.1.2 for the Linksys,...well...I suppose that was opvious
!

....anyway thanx to all, I've made some progress.

regards, Richard

 

....when I can get Dad's Pc connected to WAG354G that is, ...not clear on why
I shoucl have DHCP switched off in Linksys :-(

regards, Richard

 

Should work if, as I assumed, the Livebox has DHCP switched on. If
not, try reverrsing the roles i.e. switch off DHCP server in the
Livebox and on for the WAG354G. But don't have BOTH on at the same
time - bound to end in tears

 

Tearing hair out here now, can't get Dad's WMP54G to connect in the house !
His Linksys software keeps saying, "You are connected to the Access point
bu, the internet cannot be found"

...booo.hooo.hooo
....it kept saying that even when I had DHCP on in Livebox , and off in
Linksys, ...other way round atm.

regards, Richard.

 

Basically there is at least TWO ways to do this.

One way the first set of instructions you where given requires you to turn
off the DHCP server in the Linksys, and the Linksys becomes part of the
livebox network. So you're kind of limited to what the livebox will permit
you to do, but all devices can see each other if connected to the livebox or
the Linksys. This is in my opinion the low security model. The livebox
become the brain of your system if you will. I was under the impression you
want more than this. The Linksys is only used to provide wireless control.

The other possibility is to use the livebox to provide your IP phones, and
if you wish a very open Wi-Fi, (it can be on or off) but the livebox passes
everything to the Linksys, and the Linksys provides you home network. Now I
believe this will work for you because all of your computers can connect to
the Linksys. In this mode the Linksys would require that it's DHCP server be
enabled, but in a different IP space than the livebox. Are you still with
me? This is a different way of networking that the first option. You need to
pick one or the other. What is valid for one option may not be valid for the
other. In this option the Linksys is the Brain of your network. A computer
connected to the livebox will not be able to see a computer connected to the
Linksys.

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You might want to post the results of | Start (menu) | Run | CMD [enter] |
in the new window | ipconfig /all [enter]

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Thanx, I am grateful, ..and frustrated. I'm beginning to think that the
Livebox is perhaps being stubborn.
cmd | ipconfig /all shows :

Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : lian-li
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : SiS 900-Based PCI Fast Ethernet
Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0D-87-37-E3-0C
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 06 January 2007 14:58:09
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 07 January 2007 14:58:09

....despite that I have set the DHCP range in the Live box to 192.168.1.100
to 192.168.1.150
and I have set the IP "base" address of Livebox to 192.168.1.1
and Linksys "base" address to 192.168.1.152 (prior to that it was at
192.168.1.2 ) ...IF that's what the label "Local IP Address" in the Linksys
is !

What I wanted, as you say, is Livebox to supply internet to Linksys, and for
Linksys to supply internet via LAN lead to my PC, (which is working fine),
and to Dads' PC wirelessly. So I'm now fiddling in in an area about which I
know nothing, and probably doesn't need fiddlling with, and could end up
with overlapping or conflicting dns no's !

....I think I'm progressiveley getting even more lost, and lots of qustions
keep arising !

In the house, Dads' PC's WMP54g is saying "Connected to the Access Point
but, the internet cannot be found," is that something to do with all these
192.168.???.??? addresses ?

regards, Richard

 

Thanx just did that, further down this thread ....sorry.

regards, Richard