HDD Platter Removal

Discussion in 'Computer Security' started by bavis, Dec 22, 2005.

  1. bavis

    dnss Guest

    in message
    The proof appears to be in the Christmas pudding.

    No one individual, or company, is willing to take up my challenge to
    demonstrate removing a platter from a working hard disk drive and recovering
    the data in an external device.
     
    dnss, Dec 26, 2005
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  2. bavis

    nemo_outis Guest


    And analogously, despite you repeated entreaties, no 18-year-old hottie is
    willing to give you a blow job, thereby proving that there is no such thing
    as sex.

    Whatta maroon!

    Regards,
     
    nemo_outis, Dec 26, 2005
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  3. bavis

    Jim Watt Guest

    Trouble is you are an idiot, and nobody is going to do that unless you
    pay.

    But as Hairy One Kenobi pointed out, some years ago we used
    to use removable disk packs, which did not have heads in them
    and were dropped in place, or rather mounted carefully.
    The technology is essentially the same. Somewhere in an attic I have
    an IBM S/3 Fortran compiler on such a disk.

    Now go a-trolling elsewhere.
     
    Jim Watt, Dec 26, 2005
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  4. bavis

    dnss Guest

    Great info, Ontrack and a former associate both worked with age old hdd's
    and platter swaps.
    Both told me they could not recover data via platter swaps with current
    technology.

    Factual information on retrieving data from a current 80 GB, 160 GB, 500GB
    hdd would be valuable.

    All this other B.S is simply crap, the results of overdigested Christmas
    meals! (and over hype by the 1,000,000 + online DR companies).

    I have some age old hdd's and technology in my storage here as well.

    btw why would I pay? If you can demonstrate the requested capability to
    recover data from hdd platters in an external device I can send you plenty
    of jobs!
     
    dnss, Dec 27, 2005
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  5. bavis

    TwistyCreek Guest

    No they didn't. You're cornered, and thinking you can shuck and jive
    your way out by making shit up. Ontrack most certainly does have the
    ability to remount platters on other equipment. It's the only reason a
    clean room would exist at all you dunderhead.
    You've been offered a dozen or so links. You've ignored them.
    So now it's a huge conspiracy among a "million" different companies?

    YOU can't even follow a link. You're a nut and a bald faced liar. And a
    complete idiot if you think someone would do a job for you just because
    you wet your panties over them proving themselves and made baseless claims
    of having more work.
     
    TwistyCreek, Dec 27, 2005
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  6. bavis

    Nomen Nescio Guest

    <snip>

    <laughing>

    I remember years ago running a community BBS for the local compuphiles. It
    was my "baby", and I prided myself on uptime, data retention, etc. I had a
    flaky drive that use to "stall" at boot up, when the power would blink or
    whatever. I use to have to take a pencil or something and give the spindle
    a little "push".

    The drive just quit working all together one day, of course. :(

    Long story short I had invested many hundreds of dollars in 4 blazing fast
    14.4 modems so I didn't have much left over for backup media. PKZIP and
    floppies, and selectivity were the soup de'jour.

    The drive had a lot of recent echomail and stuff on it, so after quickly
    swapping it for a temporary and putting up much apologetic ANSI art, I
    decided to try and "rebuild" the drive long enough to suck everything off
    of it onto yet another drive.

    As carefully and cleanly as I could I stripped the thing down and REMOVED
    the spindle assembly, re-lubricated the so called "greaseless" bearings,
    reassembled, and one last time used the pencil trick to make the thing run
    long enough to do a heart stopping "copy d:\*.* c: /a /s" (?) to the third
    drive.

    I got about 95% done before the heads crashed. Saved almost everything of
    any value, and rebuilt most of the rest from memory.

    That's just my $.02 addition to the debate. If *I* could basically do what
    people say others with far better equipment can do, then I say it's
    possible, and probable. :)
     
    Nomen Nescio, Dec 27, 2005
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  7. bavis

    Nomen Nescio Guest

    What the hell do you think the DO with a clean room you imbecile?

    Good GRIEF some people are like a puppy with a sock when it comes to their
    stupidity. :(
     
    Nomen Nescio, Dec 27, 2005
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  8. Uh huh. And that statement means exactly /what/ to me?

    Twenty year old technology works now, but cannot be reproduced? Well, I'm
    fairly sure that people still make electric motors, magnetic heads, and A/D
    convertors. A bare plattr would, of course, be a major PITA to work with -
    it would take many expensive man-hours to balance on a new spindle. But
    expensive != impossible.

    Or is it simply that a company specialising in remote software-based data
    recovery doesn't touch hardware (something I doubt), and that your mate
    doesn't know his arse from his elbow?

    Most people who've dug themselves as deep a hole as you have actually stop
    while they can still peer oveer the edge.

    H1K

    P.S. Oh, yes - you wanted a link? http://tinyurl.com/dxywf
     
    Hairy One Kenobi, Dec 27, 2005
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  9. bavis

    Jim Watt Guest

    Because like the blow job mentioned, its the only way you are likely
    to get anything. You are clearly in need of better entertainment.
     
    Jim Watt, Dec 27, 2005
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  10. bavis

    martin Guest

    The trick I used was to soak the bearings in WD40 for 48 hours,
    suprising how long you could keep a drive running if you were really
    careful.

    They cost REAL money in those days, and it's not that long ago either.
     
    martin, Dec 27, 2005
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  11. bavis

    Jim Watt Guest

    I recently threw out five racks of AS/400 DASD with 4 x 400mb in each
    problem with those was they had a fan sensor that got clogged up and
    shut the drive down. The staged power up was awesome, as was the
    electricity bill.

    and you tell kids that today ...
     
    Jim Watt, Dec 27, 2005
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  12. bavis

    Moe Trin Guest

    On Mon, 26 Dec 2005, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.computer.security, in article

    That might be one reason no data recovery company won't bother responding
    to his childish challenge.
    No - because you miss the elementary fact that YOU (not me, or anyone else
    around the world) has to come up with the cash FIRST - AHEAD OF ANY ACTION
    before anyone looks at your platter. As noted above, you are quite unable
    to grasp the concept that data recovery is a money making business. Or do
    you think they are just using Norton Disk Doctor to recover "erased" files
    and charging an unrealistic price for that.

    If you'd like me to accept your "challenge", send a cashiers check for the
    sum of fifteen thousand dollars in United States of America currency. AFTER
    IT CLEARS THE ISSUING BANK, I'll put you in contact with a recovery service
    so that you can receive specific shipping instructions. Don't like that
    stipulation? Then you probably won't like the suggestion to contact your
    travel service and arrange transportation to Sparks, NV. There are some
    businesses there that (provided you can prove you are over 21) will get
    you that blow job for a "fair price" (even though you make not think it
    fair).

    Old guy
     
    Moe Trin, Dec 27, 2005
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  13. I was in a rush, so they only got about 10 minutes of "soaking". ;) Just
    wanted the data, didn't care about the drive. But yeah, I remember paying
    a couple bucks a Meg for 40M drives back in those days. And a couple
    hundred $$$ for a 14.4 Courier. ;)
    It really wasn't. But it does seem like a long time. I miss those days to
    be honest. :)
     
    George Orwell, Dec 28, 2005
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  14. bavis

    dnss Guest

  15. bavis

    Jim Watt Guest

    Interestingly enough the article says it can be done, which is what we
    have been trying to tell you. This only leaves the issue of the blow
    job, switch off your computer and go out and get one.
     
    Jim Watt, Dec 29, 2005
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  16. "...technology does not exist to remove the platters (without extensive
    control measures) from one device and read them back with another machine."

    "At Data Recovery Labs, we have been successful in many forms of platter
    transplants..."

    Knuckle dragging moron... you're OWN CITE says you're full of shit.
     
    Fritz Wuehler, Dec 29, 2005
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  17. bavis

    John Hyde Guest

    No? from their top 10 list:

    Don’t Try this at Home – A man attempting to recover data from his
    computer on his own found the job too challenging mid-way through and
    ended up sending Ontrack his completely disassembled drive – with each
    of its parts in a separate baggie.

    and

    During a multi-drive RAID recovery, engineers discovered one drive
    belonging in the set was missing. The customer found the missing drive
    in a dumpster, but in compliance with company policy for disposing of
    old drives, it had a hole drilled through it.

    and

    Suffering from Art – While rearranging her home office, a woman
    accidentally dropped a five pound piece of clay pottery on her laptop,
    directly onto the hard drive area that contained a book she’d been
    working on for five years and 150 year-old genealogy pictures that had
    not yet been printed.

    All sounds like disassembled or physically damaged drives to me. Isn't
    that what you said was not possible?

    JH
     
    John Hyde, Dec 30, 2005
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  18. bavis

    John Hyde Guest

    John Hyde, Dec 30, 2005
    #58
  19. Data Recovery from physically bad Hard drive is possible is Platters of
    the disk are well

    Doesn't matter, if head is crashed logic card is burnt of there is any
    other problem.

    Online trainings for physical data recovery are also available now...

    see http://www.datadoctor.biz/drcguide.htm

    Regards

    T.T.
     
    Data Recovery Expert, Dec 30, 2005
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