Friends Don’t Let Friends Do IE6

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Feb 5, 2010.

  1. Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Feb 5, 2010
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  2. Lawrence D'Oliveiro

    Sweetpea Guest

    At work I use IE6 to display an application that was deployed during the time that IE6 was the Microsoft

    For all Internet browsing, however, I use Firefox.

    My colleague upgraded her browser to IE7, and now complains how this web application no longer
    works for her in all respects like it used to.

    My thinking was, that it is better to use a browser that the application was tested on, than to upgrade it
    and run the risk of the application not working as required.

    My thinking is that it is also better to use versions of applications that your clients are using so that you
    can be reasonably confident that things will display for them in the same way they display for you.
    Sweetpea, Feb 5, 2010
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  3. “Any IT professional who is still allowing IE6 to be used in a corporate
    setting is guilty of malpractice.â€
    -- <>
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Feb 6, 2010
  4. Lawrence D'Oliveiro

    Sweetpea Guest

    This particular application is an internal application (ie It is hosted on servers within the company). I do
    _not_ use MSIE _any_ other purpose. The computer is fully patched within hours of the patches being

    It was released by CA in 2003. It is a POS and has all sorts of behaviour quirks that only seem to not
    show up on MS Windows when using MSIE6. In this particular case I think a true IT professional would
    require that all persons who use this application should stay using MSIE6 to access this application
    until it is upgraded (whenever that might be), and should use any other browser to access the WWW.
    Sweetpea, Feb 6, 2010
  5. You've clearly never worked in corporate IT.
    Hamish Campbell, Feb 7, 2010
  6. In message
    It’s a perfectly reasonable question, though. All this talk of “private
    enterprise†and “free-market competition†and “survival of the fittestâ€, yet
    it turns out that once corporations reach a certain size, they tend to
    ossify and remain stuck with the way they already do things.

    IT is a strategic asset. It’s a core part of what makes your company
    competitive. If you don’t keep it fresh, then you leave the way open to
    younger, hungrier upstarts to adopt new ways of doing things and come into
    your market and eat your lunch.
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Feb 8, 2010
  7. It is. But when the IT guy asks corporate office that question the
    answer is not what you and I would expect.
    I agree wholeheartedly. However your CIO probably reads 'keeping it
    fresh' as 'disruptively reorganizing'. What they fail to recognize is
    that either you have a culture of constant and positive change, or a
    culture of occasional disastrous change. Option 2 is generally easier
    for executives on limited term contracts. I've been fortunate to avoid
    those sorts of employers, but I have some friends who have the joy.
    Hamish Campbell, Feb 8, 2010
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    And there’s another factor: maybe you went through a radical change a few
    years ago to put in some new product, which you’ve now discovered is an
    orphan; the vendor has gone out of business, or has been bought out by
    another company. Or they just don’t want to support the version/product
    you’re running, they want you to spend big bucks to “upgrade†to a new
    version/product. Basically, you’re now stuck. The system may still work, but
    it has no future, and upgrading any part could easily break it.

    I think Open Source is the best shot we’ve come up with to avoid this sort
    of situation. As long as you have the source code, you can pay somebody to
    maintain it.
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Feb 8, 2010
  9. Lawrence D'Oliveiro

    Enkidu Guest

    Warning - you are conversing with Lennier. In his world an application
    released in 2003 never has upgrades.


    Enkidu, Feb 8, 2010
  10. Lawrence D'Oliveiro

    Sweetpea Guest

    They should have moved onto R12 a coupla years ago, but finance... well... you know. The bean
    counting managers like to drag each and every drop of blood out of the stone of tools for internal use.
    Sweetpea, Feb 8, 2010
  11. Lawrence D'Oliveiro

    Sweetpea Guest

    Alas, enough people still use MSIE6 to mean that some businesses still need to test websites in MSIE6
    if they wish to ensure that there is no impediment for people wishing to purchase from their website.
    Sweetpea, Feb 8, 2010
  12. Lawrence D'Oliveiro

    Sweetpea Guest

    Excuse me??!

    This application has had two point releases and one major version release since the version that we're
    *still* using.

    The business doesn't want to purchase a new version until they must.
    Sweetpea, Feb 8, 2010
  13. People who still have to use IE6 don’t seem like a very likely market for
    innovative new products.
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Feb 8, 2010
  14. Lawrence D'Oliveiro

    Sweetpea Guest

    True. So, it very much depends on what your market is and what your products are, doesn't it!
    Sweetpea, Feb 8, 2010
  15. Doesn’t seem very likely.
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Feb 8, 2010
  16. Lawrence D'Oliveiro

    Sweetpea Guest

    It is a financial situation. The bean counters don't want to spend money on it. And, the truth be told, the
    present application has sufficient functionality to enable us to conduct our business.

    If MS Word is sufficient to type a letter, and if all you need to do is to type letters to people within the
    company who also use MS Word, then there is no reason to upgrade to something newer and better.
    (the analogy fits)
    Sweetpea, Feb 9, 2010
  17. Lawrence D'Oliveiro

    Sweetpea Guest

    For example, there will always be a market for flour. There is nothing "innovative" or "new" about flour.
    However, there will always be people prepared to purchase flour. And, if the only place to purchase
    flour ends up being a website, then those who purchase flour will figure out how to use a browser in
    order to get to that website so that they can continue to purchase flour.

    They won't care what browser they use (much less what version). They won't care whether or not their
    computer is a Microsoft virus hive so long as they can connect to the WWW.
    Sweetpea, Feb 9, 2010
  18. But imagine if someone doesn’t care about the freshness or staleness of the
    flour they’re buying. Do you think they will be interested in your new,
    fresh flour?
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Feb 9, 2010
  19. Lawrence D'Oliveiro

    Sweetpea Guest

    You are speaking shit!
    Sweetpea, Feb 9, 2010
  20. Temper, temper. You were the one who brought up the flour analogy. If it’s
    shit, it’s your shit.
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Feb 9, 2010
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