Former network PC, Win 7, won't let me remove the alt-ctrl-del log in requirement

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Boppy, May 20, 2011.

  1. Boppy

    Boppy Guest

    So this restaurant has been given a PC with Win 7. It used to be in a
    network environment and the administrator set up the system so that
    the one and only user did not have administative access. Admin access
    would only be available to that admin guy over the network.

    So now that admin dude has left the country and the former user of the
    profile can't tell me anything helpful.

    What I need to achieve is eliminate the requirement for users to type
    alt-ctrl-delete whenever the pc is switched on. Unchecking this option
    in User Accounts/Advanced/Secure Log on does not work - the check mark
    just keeps coming back.

    The PC is not connected to the internet so there is no security issue
    with fake logging on.

    I cannot change this user to an administrator - current status is
    "other - debugger users". Nor can I create a new user who IS an
    administrator.

    So in a nutshell, how can I get admin access to this PC?

    Thanks in advance for any advice,
    Jo
     
    Boppy, May 20, 2011
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    none Guest

    http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
     
    none, May 20, 2011
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    none Guest

    none, May 20, 2011
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    Boots Guest

    Reformat. Reinstall Microsoft.
     
    Boots, May 20, 2011
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    Dave Doe Guest

    Stab in the dark - but possibly caused by Group Policy from the domain
    controller? Is it still 'joined' to the domain? If so, unjoin it, and
    put it back in 'WORKGROUP' mode.
     
    Dave Doe, May 20, 2011
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  6. Boppy

    Dave Doe Guest

    Here's some more info that might help - note the notes near the bottom
    of the page.

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308226
     
    Dave Doe, May 20, 2011
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    Ray Greene Guest

    I second this suggestion, it has helped me out a few times.

    Download it and burn it to a CD and boot the PC from it. It looks a
    bit technical but just take your time and follow the instructions and
    you'll be right. I've always just accepted all the default settings
    and never had a problem with it.
     
    Ray Greene, May 20, 2011
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    Boppy Guest

     
    Boppy, May 20, 2011
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    Dave Doe Guest

     
    Dave Doe, May 21, 2011
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs Dave Doe wrote:
    [snip]
    Wee tangential trip here but do you know if either of those has hdparm on
    it? Is it difficult to make a bootable USB? Last time I tried I gave up
    after a couple hours Googling around in circles. It'd be handy to carry on
    my keychain, it's amazing how often I get asked to do 'support' when I'm not
    expecting it. :-/

    Cheers,
    --
    Shaun.

    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
    monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
    into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
     
    ~misfit~, May 25, 2011
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  11. It's not difficult to get a bootable USB disk — the problem is
    that few older BIOSes and even current one, provide for USB booting.
    The exceptions are for netwooks and the like.

    Puppy linux has a packaged option to make USB drives bootable (HD
    mode) and an option for a combo version of Floppy/CD/HD modes.
    Unfortunately I've not been able to achieve this combo, but I'm about
    to check the forums.

    My objective is to get an [email protected] installation on a USB drive
    that is capable of being booted by any computer, regardless of the
    BIOS. With this setup, the flash drive will be a remarkably flexible
    device for both data recovery and and some device repair.

    I'd like to hear from anyone who can USB Boot anlmost any
    computer.
     
    [email protected], May 25, 2011
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  12. We were just trying some elderly (up to 8-year-old) desktops at a client’s
    place today. A couple of them were flaky, but we finally found a compact
    little thing with a VIA CPU on it, with no internal optical drive, but it
    booted up off an external USB-connected DVD drive just fine.

    The internal hard drive had Windows XP on it (which we wiped), which gives
    you some indication of the age of the machine.
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, May 25, 2011
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    Dave Doe Guest

    Haven't tried it - but here's a wee page such a setup - intital boot
    from floppy, and pass to USB...

    http://www.pendrivelinux.com/use-a-floppy-to-boot-usb-pendrive-linux/
     
    Dave Doe, May 25, 2011
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    Dave Doe Guest

    and this page might provide some more hints (as I don't think the Linux
    distro is particularly relevant)...

    http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Booting_from0.html
     
    Dave Doe, May 25, 2011
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    Thanks. :)
    --
    Shaun.

    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
    monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
    into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
     
    ~misfit~, May 25, 2011
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    Cool. Again, tyvm.
    --
    Shaun.

    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
    monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
    into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
     
    ~misfit~, May 25, 2011
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    Thanks bud, I'll look at it tomorrow, I'd best try to get some sleep now.
    I've tried with the HP utility before and had no luck. Hopefully this time's
    different. Then I only need to work out what to put on it to be most useful
    for hardware troubleshooting and malware removal. ;-)
    --
    Shaun.

    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
    monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
    into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

    Cheers,
     
    ~misfit~, May 25, 2011
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    Excellent, cheers. Excuse my ignorance but do I just d/l either of those
    'discs' and copy the files onto my USB once I've made it bootable? (I guess
    Google will tell me, I could try again....)

    I'd still like to get hdparm on one as I have a passworded 2.5" SATA HDD.
    Some clown who sold the lappie to the person I bought it off (apparently)
    did a secure wipe of the disk but neglected to remove the p/w. I've read
    that if you boot a lappie with a USB that has hdparm (but without the HDD
    present as the BIOS will baulk) and then fit the disk after it's booted you
    can wipe the password using hdparm.

    <shrug> It's not *that* important I guess, it's been sitting here for about
    a year now but a 250GB HDD is sorta worth having. Actually I'm not sure
    where it is right now, LOL.

    I have to look into portable apps too. For the longest time I've wanted to
    have my own bookmarks etcetera to access things when I've been out visiting.
    Someone suggested that I set up a portable installation of Firefox on a USB
    and use that. I could also use it between my own machines as I have a few.
    It'd be great to have it on the same stick as the bootable diagnostics. Two
    partitions perhaps? I have a 4GB stick that I carry with me, that should be
    big enough. I don't know how possible, or easy that would be.

    Best,
    --
    Shaun.

    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
    monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
    into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
     
    ~misfit~, May 27, 2011
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    I must be going insane because I've spent nearly an hour checking out
    http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd in both Firefox and IE and can't find a
    'Download' link anywhere!

    I'm going to watch something on TV dammit!
    --
    Shaun.

    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
    monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
    into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
     
    ~misfit~, May 27, 2011
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    Squiggle Guest

    Squiggle, May 27, 2011
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