Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Colin D, Feb 28, 2006.

  1. Colin D

    no_name Guest

    It also increases the likelihood that a SPAMbot will harvest your email
    so you get a never ending stream of offers to find your match on the
    internet, Viagra at a discount, hot stock tips & opportunities to share
    in a Nigerian fortune for the asking.
    no_name, Mar 2, 2006
    1. Advertisements

  2. Then you are posting "therapeutic noise"... actually addressing
    nobody except yourself.

    Why bother posting if you don't care whether others can see it?
    The same goes for people whose style of formatting is unreadable

    Effective writing would be that which attracts and influences the
    *largest* audience.
    Floyd L. Davidson, Mar 2, 2006
    1. Advertisements

  3. My experience indicates that's no longer so. A Shibboleth, if you will.
    John McWilliams, Mar 2, 2006
  4. Colin D

    AustinMN Guest

    Total tripe.

    If someone wants to communicate with me, they can. In newsgroups, they
    can post a reply. If they don't want to post it, then I don't care.
    When I used my real email address, I got 4 email messages from non-spam
    newsgroup users over a two-year period. Three of them were from people
    too scared to post and contained information everyone could have
    benefited from. The fourth was just plain stupid. In addition, there
    are other newsgroup users who have found ways to contact me. You could
    figure it out too. I loose nothing.
    Anything is more important. Like I said, when I used my real email
    address, nobody sent me stuff I wanted or needed.
    Don't get out much, do you?
    No. I communicate freely with hundreds of people, dozens of whom first
    contact was made through Usenet. Most did not include posting an email
    Since it's not a problem for me, it's not a problem for them.
    I take the lack of other replies to your mindless post to mean most
    people have killfiled you.

    AustinMN, Mar 2, 2006
  5. Oh, its true. I once created an email account that was not publicly
    known. I waited about one week. I then posted a message into a
    newsgroup with that email address. After a couple of days, they started
    trickling in and within a week or so, they started flowing fast.

    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1

    Tiddely Quiddely
    Edward M. Kennedy
    Quite unaccountably
    Drove in a stream.

    Pleas of amnesia
    Possibly shattered
    Political dream.
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Mar 2, 2006
  6. First off, neither your experience and conclusion, *nor mine*, are
    statistically valid. Not remotely. I have an E-mail address that's never
    been exposed to the web or to Usenet, and it gets about the same amount
    of SPAM that this one does. REally not a problem. Filters do work, and a
    knowledge of dictionary attacks helps.
    John McWilliams, Mar 2, 2006
  7. True, not statistically. But the bots DO exist, so statistics don't
    really matter.

    As far as non-published email addresses getting into the hands of
    spammers; its just not hard to do. There are many sophisticated ways of
    doing this. If one gets an org chart for a company and they know the
    email structure, then it is easy to put together an entire list of
    addresses. There are bots out there that that do nothing but guess
    email addresses for registered domains, with the full knowledge that 99%
    of their guesses are wrong, but some will be a match. Once these are
    found, they are sold.
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Mar 2, 2006
  8. But I did the same thing, (in a sense) with the snail mail system......I
    entered a lottery using a different middle initial...."B" instead of "E".
    Then as the days flew by, I watched my junk mail.....Gradually, more and
    more of it was addressed to "William B. Graham"...........This grew to a
    peak about 6 months later, and then gradually subsided. Today, I only get a
    "B" message about once a year.......
    William Graham, Mar 2, 2006
  9. Colin D

    no_name Guest

    And my experinece is different. The exposed email addy gets SPAM by the
    boatload. The hidden one doesn't. Both are filtered.
    no_name, Mar 8, 2006
  10. It isn't the exposure of your email address that causes most of this. In my
    experience, it's the web pages I visit that draw most of the spam. If you
    get an email address and just use it for email, private and Usenet, you
    won't get much spam. But if you search the web for stuff with it, then they
    will spam you to death. If (for example) you go to any pornographic sites
    with it, you will be bombarded with porno ads for years.......
    William Graham, Mar 8, 2006
  11. Colin D

    G.T. Guest

    This email account is real and is used only for Usenet. It gets the
    most spam of all my email accounts. With no obsfucation our email
    addresses are sitting out there ripe for the picking. And the spammers do.

    G.T., Mar 8, 2006
  12. Except you *don't* use an email address to search the web. An
    IP address, yes; an email address no.

    Posting a valid email address to Usenet is just about guaranteed
    to result in spam being sent to that address. Whether you see
    it or not depends on what kind of filtering is used.
    Floyd L. Davidson, Mar 8, 2006
  13. Colin D

    rcyoung Guest

    Corss-posting is usually frowned upon or even disallowed, but there are
    valid reasons from time to time. Say I was looking for compatibility
    information on a *istD pentax camera...I might find the information I
    need in a 35mm specific group ( since it uses 35mm Pentax lenses) or a
    digital camera group since it is digital. It can get much worse than
    this, with a perfectly valid reason. I think if it is used, it should
    be used wisely, and perhaps a reason for coross-posting included so
    that people know you are aware of the issues, but that there is a
    specific reason as to WHY you are doing it.
    rcyoung, Mar 8, 2006
  14. Only by people who do not understand Usenet or crossposting.

    So we should clutter up articles with why we keep lines less than
    ~70 columns, why we don't top post, why we quote and trim text from
    another article, why we use capitalization, why we use punctuation,
    why we use a spell checker, and why we try to write text that people
    can read?????

    The _right_ way to do it is just *don't* *abuse* *any* of the
    various devices and mechanism that are involved in posting to
    Floyd L. Davidson, Mar 8, 2006
  15. Uhm ... that's not true. It is true that if you aren't careful with who
    you give your address too that it will be sold to spammers. Many
    websites hide this fact (Spamdango ... I mean, Fandango is a full-on
    criminal in my opinion). Posting your email address anywhere that is
    available on google will attract the attention of spiders, and that
    includes newsgroups. If you aren't seeing that much spam after posting
    your address here, it is likely due to aggressive tactics to avoid spam
    by your ISP. I run my own domain and mail server and use DSPAM to
    filter spam. I have done tests (it is easy to add and remove email
    address in seconds) and the conclusion is an easy one.
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Mar 8, 2006
  16. It is standard USENET noise and there isn't much going to stop it. It is
    is human behavior on the Internet.
    That goes with out saying ... for everything in life.
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Mar 8, 2006
  17. Colin D

    rcyoung Guest

    <So we should clutter up articles with why we keep lines less than
    <~70 columns,

    Not at all, but I still think there are valid situations when cross
    posting may be highly desirable, or even necessary.
    For example, let me give a non-photo example (since I just had to run
    this down myself a few months ago) from my area of
    expertise...database performance tuning. The database performance
    depends on ( among many many things)

    1) The specific database (Oracle, Sybase, etc)
    2) The specific platform (HP/UX, Windows, Solaris, VMS, etc)
    3) Specific OS parameters usually handled by the administrator (# free
    channels, reserved memory, etc)
    4) Network parameters
    5) Specific network hardware, and revisions
    and more...and more...

    Anyway, the point I wish to make is, there are on-line groups
    dedicated to EACH of the above, individually. Often more than a single
    group in fact. Yet the specific issue I may be trying to address could
    be a result of one, two, or an interaction between several of the areas

    Posting to (1) group will be much less effective in
    determining/understanding the problem, and getting a solution, than
    posting to several because the issue is multi-dimensional...the answer
    may lie in only ONE, ALL, or be pieced together from multiple
    experiences in similar (but not necessarily identical) situations,
    spread across ALL of the groups listed.

    So I am not saying you should do it blatantly or as a matter of course,
    but that there are instances when it is necessary. Especially as there
    are more and more groups, with the information "resources" being
    spread thinner and thinner across them. According to Google, there
    are, for example , over 1100 groups in comp , 27 in, etc.
    And these are primarily the English groups. start looking under the
    non-English codes (it, pl, es, etc) , and the number increases
    rcyoung, Mar 8, 2006
    1. Advertisements

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.