Using TimeWarner, Columbus (RR), how do I go about creating a newsgroup? Thanks.
Search Google for "create new newsgroup" and read up. Once you finally come to the realization that it probably won't work, think about starting a Yahoo group.
My 1st question was how to create a ng using RR/with RR/on RR servers and meant for other RR users whom possibly have been successful in having a ng created in the past. Instead I get smart remarks or how tos in creating ng's on other servers (Not implying you, mainly the 1st reply as your answer so far has been the most sensible). Pardon me tho, I guess I coulda been more specific when asking originally.
Okay, no big deal. You so far do not understand how Usenet works. You can create a newsgroup on a server, but if the other news admins (who control all those other servers that aren't related to RR) don't especially see the need for your group, they don't add it. The trick to a successful newsgroup is to get all the admins you can imagine to think it would be a great idea to allow your group on their server. The odds are not good. Not good at all. Shit, the odds stink. To create the group, you need to send a special control message called a "newgroup" message. It would be better if you contacted your ISP's newsgroup admin and asked them to help. Again, the odds are not good. Not good at all.
Thanks. You're right, I'm not a newbie but I'm not totally familiar with usenet quite yet. I did wonder why I seen some ng's on my old isp that I frequented and they are not on RR. I thot all of usenet was somewhat of one big network. I dont plan on keeping RR forever, but I will see what I can do to get one started with them and see if its available on my next isp. If not, I'll prolly do yahoo or google or something that will 'always be there' no matter the isp. Thanks again for the info.
I am finding over 36,000 news groups on my server, thousands of which have no activity. Your chances of having an audience are better here than anywhere else in the world.
Anonymoose wrote in Lordy, there's somewhere around 100,000+ newsgroups, more or less depending on how many your news provider actually carries, and you can't find one that fits? You must have some really *bizarre* tastes.
First, it's worth checking if the news group you want already exists and if it does ask your ISP newsadmin to include it on their server. The rules for creating new newsgroups in all other hierarchies except alt are particularly detailed, and can be found in regular postings in the newsgroup news.announce.newusers. You can also find much relevant information in the USENET FAQ repository at: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/ http://www.geocities.com/nnqweb/ncreate.html http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/6882/ncreate.html
It would probably be easier to presuade RR to carry the NG you want or possibly find the NG on a free server and get it there. Top
You don't actually want to do that. Your provider provides news via a 'geographical' newsserver; eg yours is probably something like news-server.columbus.rr.com and there are similarly named and located geographic RR servers across the country. That newsserver provides access to locally specific newsgroups for local support, which are probably named something like roadrunner.columbus.help or .announce or .misc -- or at least that's the way it was when I was a RR subscriber for a different geographic area. Your local RR specific ng/s don't propagate beyond each specific geographic RR newsserver and RR doesn't invite input from its subscribers as to adding additional local Columbus OH RR ng/s. Your geographic newsserver also carries thousands of the newsgroups available to usenet at large, and in that sense is just one more newsserver among the thousands of newsservers which are individually managed at the general ISP provider level or the commercial NSP newsservice provider level. Typically when a provider adds a newsgroup to its newsservers, that newsgroup is a properly derived new newsgroup instead of rogue. There are many many properly derived and also improperly derived or created newsgroups. Too many, even tho' the new newsgroup proper creation process is elaborate as described in the link Blinky gave http://members.fortunecity.com/nnqweb/ncreate.html Creating New Newsgroups Most people who ask about creating a newsgroup aren't really interested in doing that. They are actually interested in doing something else, they just haven't figured out what it is yet. Instead, they should start by stating what it is they are trying to do.
With foot jammed firmly in mouth on Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:40:54 -0700, No doubt. Yet the rogue ng I created back in late 90's (alt.worms.out.of.a.hot.cheese-log) seems to exist on almost every newserver I check. Yet the one I recently created, (alt.politics.libertarian.free-state-project) which ain't quite so rogue ain't propagating like I'd like. Maybe it just takes time.
Really, then how or hoo is responsible for such ng garbage as alt.Karl- Marlden.nse etc etc. and similar goofy groups. I mean you should say just make up a really stupid sounding name and the admins would prolly love it. ie: alt.eeeeyowwww.pork-butts would prolly have a good chance with them judging from the names I have seen. LOL I had to go check if such existed before posting this.
Propagation of rogue ng/s comes about because people ie customers/clients contact a news admin and ask for the group to be included. If a news admin adds the group to that newsserver then the potential for propagation increases. The 'orderly' way is that the control processes for newsgroup formation is followed, and news admins don't add groups which haven't followed that orderly process, and they do add groups which have. The disorderly 'freestyle' way is that whatever might happen with or without the control processes is or has been ignored by some news admins and a group is or has been added whether or not the control process is intact. What was happening about news admins adding newsgroups to their servers back in the late 90s is not the same as what is happening about news admins adding newsgroups to their servers in the mid 00s -- in many ways. And/But news admins typically retain old groups which haven't been properly controlled, or 'grandfather' them into continuation even if they aren't adding any more uncontrolled groups presently. There's a tendency for newsgroups to be added; there is less of a tendency for newsgroups to be removed or eliminated from a newsserver
If you are interested in reading the interesting and eventually quite adequate control message history for alt.fan.karl-malden.nose which go back to 1993, you should dl the .gz file ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.gz and de-gz it and read all of the 'control messages' [both bogus and real] thru' the years. It was rogue for a while, efforts to remove it were made, it became de-rogued thru' alt.config efforts. There are other karl malden nose groups which are in much worse shape rogue-wise than alt.fan.karl-malden.nose -- so the group you have chosen is a good example of the history of a rogue group which 'made it' as well as rogue groups which haven't. You can also read numerous discussions of the group by googling it up on the web - snurled googleup of websearch 725 hits http://snipurl.com/fub2
