Computer Fire Starts Flame War

Discussion in 'Computer Information' started by Red Ryder, May 8, 2004.

  1. Red Ryder

    VWWall Guest

    Try this for size:
    A foolish consistency is the
    hobgoblin of little minds,........
    Ralph Waldo Emerson
    (Microsoft programmer's manual.)
    VWWall, May 10, 2004
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  2. WARNING TO NEWSGROUP: Virg Wall *occasionally* posts good advice and correct
    information. The problem is that he also has posted VERY BAD advice and TOTALLY
    INCORRECT information and will never admit when he is wrong. Therefore, you
    would be wise to get your advise from somebody else. You never know which post
    of his will be wrong and might cause you to lose data, damage your computer,
    injure yourself, or burn your house down. He'll never confess to his sins.
    That's a sin in itself.

    BinaryBillTheSailor, May 10, 2004
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  3. Red Ryder

    VWWall Guest

    Doesn't take much to pull your chain! ;-) Whatever happened to
    Virg Wall
    VWWall, May 10, 2004
  4. You seem to be on the verge, Virg. Must be the Alzhemiers taking over.

    BinaryBillTheSailor, May 10, 2004
  5. Red Ryder

    w_tom Guest

    BinaryBill is same who claimed that DC spikes exist in Starting with a Sirius response on 13 Jul 2001:
    Additional insults were posted as
    and . Add these
    names to to his previous postings as:
    Ekal Bnek MaximumSmoke D O G S T A R and UOXLOVKUO .

    He claimed to have worked with Grace Hopper on the Eniac,
    claims to be 89, has an MSEE and MSME ... but cannot even
    remember which town he was in when working with Grace:

    More examples of BinaryBill posts are:

    In a typical response to VWWall, he insults the poster when
    he cannot dispute the facts:
    w_tom, May 11, 2004
  6. W_Tom is a well known usenet kook who is also extremely dangerous. He
    frequently posts lengthy diatribes on electrical subjects that have a
    few grains of fact, mixed with lots of fantasy. It's easy for someone
    not familiar with technical details to be fooled into thinking he
    knows what he is talking about. In truth, W_tom is on a mission to
    cause people to do dangerous things, such as create dangerous ground
    loops in their home wiring. They may possibly be hurt or killed by
    following his delibertately wrong advice. That's how he gets his
    jollies. He doesn't like it at all when anyone points out the errors
    or the dangers in his posts. He gets quite hysterical and nasty.
    You've been warned...



    From Tue Jan 29 10:24:51 2002
    Path: mindspring!!not-for-mail
    From: Thomas D Horne <>
    Subject: Re: Help with grounded wiring in old house...
    Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:24:51 -0500
    Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
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    We did extensive testing of battery powered equipment at integrated
    power corporation a decade ago. The common mode surges you speak of
    never got past the rather massive capacitive effect of the wet cell
    acid batteries used in continuous duty UPS assemblies. These were
    units that were capable of carrying the entire connected load for
    several hours after supply power was lost. They did provide very
    effective common mode surge attenuation and because they were always
    connected via the battery the time to break over was zero. The
    equipment used was high quality commercial stuff (trace et al) and the
    test were done to validate radio relay sight power design. Test using
    only one of the large twelve volt lead acid batteries showed very
    favorable results. Since these power supply systems were built in the
    early nineties they have suffered no surge or spike induced connected
    equipment failures. These systems were installed on ridge lines and
    mountaintops from Alaska to Argentina. The actual data is no longer
    available because westinghouse closed that subsidiary when the tax
    benefits of solar and wind energy died.

    This is not true. If the equipment grounding conductor to the
    grounding terminal of the receptacle is installed in compliance with
    the NEC(c) the installation and connection of a supplementary
    electrode is not a NEC violation. It is only an NEC violation to use
    the separate grounding electrode as the only equipment grounding
    The applicable portion of the NEC is;

    ["250.54 Supplementary Grounding Electrodes.
    Supplementary grounding electrodes shall be permitted to be connected
    the equipment grounding conductors specified in 250.118 and shall not
    required to comply with the electrode bonding requirements of 250.50
    250.53(C) or the resistance requirements of 250.56, but the earth
    not be used as the sole equipment grounding conductor.
    Grounding electrodes, such as ground rods, that are connected to
    equipment are not permitted to be used in lieu of the equipment
    grounding conductor, but they may be used for supplementary
    For example, grounding electrodes may be used for lightning protection
    or to equalize potentials in the area of the equipment. Sections
    250.4(A)(5) and 250.4(B)(4) also specify that the earth not be used as
    the sole equipment grounding conductor or effective (ground) fault
    current path."]
    BinaryBillTheSailor, May 11, 2004
  7. Red Ryder

    bambam Guest


    Xra Oynxr
    Ken Blake (I think)
    bambam, May 12, 2004
  8. Red Ryder

    Sirius Guest

    Yes he really was an ignorant knave then but isn't he posting from the
    other side now?? Guess he has a bad reaction to any mention of flames.
    Sirius, May 12, 2004
  9. What DC waveform would you observe when striking an arc while arc

    Is Lightning AC or DC? Would you consider a lightning strike to
    produce a voltage spike on objects it strikes?

    Is the output of your car's ignition coil ac or DC. How would you
    describe it's output?

    BinaryBillTheSailor, May 12, 2004
  10. Oh yes, "BamBam", (who plagiarized the name of a cartoon character).
    The nitwit who tried to wage a flame war claiming that BinaryBill was
    somehow a copyright infringement on the song (in the public domain)
    "Barnacle Bill", despite the fact that there are literally thousands
    of restaurants named "Barnacle Bill's". (Not even substituting Binary
    or any other word for Barnacle) Yes, BamBam is a real genius, folks!
    Make sure you do everything he tells you.

    BinaryBillTheSailor, May 12, 2004
  11. Red Ryder

    Red Ryder Guest

    No, only that I had not touched it, I swear, since I installed a PCI
    ethernet card a year ago - and it seemed to work since then. It was
    strange that the on board ethernet lasted only one year.
    Red Ryder, May 18, 2004
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