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Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Rodan, Dec 22, 2008.

  1. There's been a big demand with plenty of big money behind it for
    thousands of years for the secret of everlasting life, and the best
    we've got so far is some very weird looking old Californians :)
    Chris Malcolm, Dec 31, 2008
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  2. Few people would be stupid enough to keep warm by burning their own
    floorboards. The really neat trick with oil is we get to burn up our
    children's and grandchildren's floorboards.
    Chris Malcolm, Dec 31, 2008
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  3. Rodan

    ASAAR Guest

    Despite official and religious prohibitions, many Arabs are gay,
    and those were skipped because many years ago I ate a Manwich, so
    for those terms I had to recuse myself.

    "A sandwich is a sandwich, but a Manwich is a meal." - ConAgra Ad

    I also forgot to add Singapore.

    Underscoring the fact that in politics, hyperbole is often
    unrecognized reality, I was amazed to hear on the news several
    hours after my post that a faction of the Republican National
    Committee, trying to wrest control of the Republican Party's
    direction has taken to calling most Republicans (including Bush)
    socialists and commies. :) That's probably a good, healthy sign
    for the Republican party if it speeds up a return to sanity and
    helps to weed out the party's extreme lunatic fringe.
    ASAAR, Dec 31, 2008
  4. Rodan

    ASAAR Guest

    That might have been a valid point if you made it a decade or two
    ago. Today however, other countries want their own Route 66es.
    There is/are an incredibly large number of Indians and Chinese that
    are much younger than 66, and their countries not only have a
    greater industrial growth rate than ours, they're building highways
    like you wouldn't believe - or wouldn't want to believe. "Drill
    baby, drill" can be at best only a very short delaying tactic. :)
    ASAAR, Dec 31, 2008
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    Chris H Guest

    But they don't consume at anything like the rate the average American
    Chris H, Dec 31, 2008
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    J. Clarke Guest

    No matter what we do somebody is going to burn up their children's and
    grandchildren's floorboards. Thrift only works when there is some
    level of expenditure at which income equals outlay. Otherwise it just
    delays the inevitable. There's X quantity of oil in the ground. You
    can argue the exact value of X if you want to but there _is_ some X
    and as long as there is _any_ use for it eventually it will all be
    used up.

    The trouble is that there are no cost-effective alternatives that are
    acceptable to the ecoloons.

    As oil prices increase though, eventually a point will be reached
    where something else, even given the costs of creating new
    infrastructure to use it, is cheaper. When that happens then we'll
    stop using oil and start using something else.

    Personally I'm hoping that Polywell pans out.
    J. Clarke, Dec 31, 2008
  7. Rodan

    Chris H Guest

    Closing the gap? The Average American uses 4 times the amount the
    average Chinese does. China is also a hell of a lot bigger than the US.

    I think the Chinese will slow down when the US does.
    Chris H, Dec 31, 2008
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    Guest Guest

    but not so much in montana where towns are 100 miles apart.
    Guest, Dec 31, 2008
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    Keith nuttle Guest

    Don't try to confuse these people with facts, They live in their own
    virtual world where facts do not matter. Facts like chemistry, physics,
    and, etc..

    Sources of greenhouse gases that you did not mention are mammals, of
    which man is included. Every time a human passes gas he is contributing
    greenhouse gases, but I suppose in the virtual world some of these
    people live in, no one passes gas as that was not in the game station
    Keith nuttle, Jan 1, 2009
  10. Rodan

    ASAAR Guest

    Those that don't share your opinion follow the paths of Stalin
    and/or Hitler. Interesting. Their approaches and worse could
    never, ever occur right here in the good ole USA now, could it? And
    now Paulsen and his Bushy ilk are hoping against hope that a swing
    towards "socialism" might cure the cancer that they encouraged and
    benefited from.

    Somewhat like providing sufficient nourishment to cope with
    projected tumor growth, rather than attempt to shrink or excise the
    cancer, to return to an oncological theme. Don't reject the better
    solutions others suggest, just because it sounds like "My way or the
    highway!" :)
    ASAAR, Jan 1, 2009
  11. Rodan

    ASAAR Guest

    Sez you and others such as Palin, that thrive on bludgeoning
    others with the "moral, small town values" stick that time after
    time whups them up side the head when their hypocrisy is exposed.
    If you believe swill such as "people in urban areas just don't
    understand the rural way of life", can you honestly say with a
    straight face that those that live in rural areas understand
    anything other than their own way of life? Not putting Montana or
    Texas down, of course. Well, maybe the rural outposts of Dallas. :)
    ASAAR, Jan 1, 2009
  12. Facts being what the are, it should be pointed out that you /personally/
    give off enough methane to cause measureable damage.

    Now, O Great Pontificatory One, how about some citations for all of this?

    Or even for some of this?

    It would be a refreshing change to see you back up your words with some
    facts, Brownie.


    Scarecrow: I haven't got a brain... only straw.
    Dorothy: How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
    Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot
    of talking... don't they?
    Dorothy: Yes, I guess you're right.

    -- Wizard Of Oz
    Gaston Ryan Coake, Jan 1, 2009
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    tony cooper Guest

    The two go together, don't they? Regulation is imposing control by
    law. That which is Draconian in law, is cruel and strict. The
    difference between a law that is cruel and strict, and a law that is
    fair and just, is the perspective of the person who is affected.

    If the law allows me to do what I want, the law is fair and just. If
    the law stops me from doing what I want, the law is Draconian.

    To put this on-topic for a photography newsgroup, a law that prohibits
    the copying of a studio photographer's work is fair and just from the
    photographer's perspective, but Draconian to the family who paid for
    the original and feel they should be able to make copies for
    additional distribution.
    tony cooper, Jan 2, 2009
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    ASAAR Guest

    The "Some of us do." is reasonable, but you only applied it to
    your side, being more judgmental of an implied *all* of the "people
    in urban areas" that "just don't understand the rural way of life".
    I'm one of those from the urban areas, and spent quite a bit of time
    when young visiting relatives that were mostly farmers, who grew
    lots of corn, cotton and tobacco, had hogs, horses, chickens,
    outhouses and chamber pots, wells and no running water, and lived a
    very good life. Good people too, and they were religious and had
    the kind of family values that would later become used as a weapon
    by right wing politicians to divide Americans. Lots of racist Klan
    members no doubt thought of themselves the same way. When I was in
    the army there were many good ole southern boys that loved to listen
    and laugh along with 33rpm records of some southern comedians that
    disparaged blacks with jokes about chiggers and "chegroes" and such,
    and these army "buddies" were quite fond of saying with a smile "The
    South shall RISE again!". When I watched and listened to Palin at
    some of her political rallies make false accusations against Obama
    to a backdrop of some of the worst of her supporters who shouted
    "Kill him!", it sounded all too familiar. Tell me again how I just
    don't understand the rural life. It's not just the "South" or rural
    life, it's a state of mind. The North, West and Midwest has its
    share of loonies, Klan members, white supremacists, religious
    fanatics that shoot, bomb and kill doctors and innocents in clinics,
    and conspiracy nuts such as Timothy McVeigh. They also love the
    rural and despise the urban life. Despite your views I don't lump
    you in with those nuts, but you do tend to reinforce the stereotypes
    that they thrive on and try to spread.

    BTW, the name of that "comedian" just came back to me, Brother
    Dave Gardner. He's got a Wiki page that's probably accurate but
    only briefly touches on his racial "humor". He was a "good ole boy"
    fer sure. Ever hear of him?
    ASAAR, Jan 2, 2009
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