B&H Photo gets it right - Sigma SD10 is 13.72MP

Time to declare victory, again.

B&H used to designate the Foveon sensor's MPs using a "3" in the upper
right hand corner of their quite famous ad format. Those days are
gone. Previously they didn't realize that Foveon 3.43MPs were full
color MPs while all Bayer cameras list monochrome MPs. After emailing
them on many occasions about this gaff, which was clearly unbecoming
of a knowledgable camera outlet, their latest catalog corrected the
errors in many of their ads. Even their Bayer ads now correctly
indicate Bayer MPs as only recorded interpolated resolutions. Great
job B&H!!! Your late model descriptions are all exactly right!
Quoting your excellent Summer 2004 sales catalog...

Canon 300D

 

If true, then B&H is taking extreme measures to try and dump their dusty,
stagnant stock of Sigma crapola...

 

I can imagine. You're a boring asshole and I bet that "many" was something
like 12000. They probably did it just to bloody well shut you up.
They still won't sell them though.

 

George, You are such an ass. Do you pester everybody that way ? I pity
all of (or any) your friends. They must think you are a a**hole for sure.
The rest of us should email them too saying it's a lie and it needs to be
withdrawn.

 

Regardless of why, the largest reputable outlet in photography now
lists all Bayer resolutions as interpolated, and the SD10 is listed as
13.72MP interpolated.

I find it strange that you hope this.

 

The person posting under the name of George or Georgette Preddy (and
other pseudonyms) has an ungrounded but zealous faith that current
implementation of the Foveon chip is superior to all other chip
technologies. He will cite portions of reviews to ostensibly support his
claims, and will repeat, ad naseum, complete lines of out-of-context
material.

His claims may well be ignored, or at the very least verified since most
of them are extreme distortions and some are out and out fabrications."

Moreover, "Mr." "Preddy" has claimed to be a photographer (pro!), but
cannot bring himself to post a single picture with EXIF info that he
shot himself, in spite of repeated requests and challenges to do so.

Apparently he loathes anything related to Canon and loves everything
about Sigma cameras and lenses. His "claims" may be ignored, and he is
doing Sigma, and anyone related to the Foveon chip, no good at all by
arousing ire, increasing the N/S ratio, and generally spamming this
newsgroup.

 

That's the same math Fuji SuperCCD use to make their 6 MP sensor dither a 12
MP image

 

This is from the same B&H Photo that call 120 size film 120mm.They should
fire their ad writer, but he is probably the bosses son-in-law...

 

HOPE??? lol Preddy - predict, not hope.

 

Um... At least the Fuji interpolation is useful (and Fuji also tells that
there are 6 million pixels recorded and 12 in the "picture file"). In order
to make the image viewable it needs to be rotated in addition to the
traditional bayer interpolation. Doubling the number if pixels isn't
necessary, but some additional pixels have to be put in in order to not lose
any recorded information.

/Helge

 

Go for it, let's see how far you get.

I am so sorry to disappoint you with facts, but all listed Bayer MP
ratings are monochrome before interpolating color. B&H is exactly
right.

Sigma's native 13.72MP output is of significantly higher optical
quality than any Bayer output, since the baseline is directly measured
in full color. You can view B&H Photo's new SD10 ad here...

http://www.pbase.com/image/29812856/medium

 

Georgette Preddy wrote:

~~~snipped SPAM~~~

That's a link to an unattributed photo.

The person posting under the name of George or Georgette Preddy (and
other pseudonyms) has an ungrounded but zealous faith that current
implementation of the Foveon chip is superior to all other chip
technologies. He will cite portions of reviews to ostensibly support his
claims, and will repeat, ad naseum, complete lines of out-of-context
material.

His claims may well be ignored, or at the very least verified since most
of them are extreme distortions and some are out and out fabrications."


Moreover, "Mr." "Preddy" has claimed to be a photographer (pro!), but
cannot bring himself to post a single picture with EXIF info that he
shot himself, in spite of repeated requests and challenges to do so.

Apparently he loathes anything related to Canon and loves everything
about Sigma cameras and lenses. His "claims" may be ignored, and he is
doing Sigma, and anyone related to the Foveon chip, no good at all by
arousing ire, increasing the N/S ratio, and generally spamming this
newsgroup.

 

Anybody bother to go check B&H:

Copied from their site: Sigma SD10, 3.4 Megapixel,

Preddy's just lying again.

Tom

 

Damn shame real photographers judge a product by the images it creates, and
not by some meaningless numbers.

Did you really keep e-mailing them? God, what an asshole!

 

WHAT!?!?!?!?!!? Preddy lied? You mean he's lied before?

 

I just checked it too. it says 10.2 Megapixel resolution
for the SD10

here is the URL for the SD10:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...il&Q=&sku=304466&is=REG&si=spec#goto_itemInfo

I'm no Preddy buddy, though! I think he lies too much!

The 300D is listed as 6.3 Megapixels.

dave

 

Let's be accurate, here. This is what B&H says and, I think, it is correct:

"Imaging Sensor FOVEON X3 Pro (CMOS), 20.7x13.8mm with 10.2 Million Pixels
(3.4 Mp Red + 3.4 Mp Green + 3.4 Mp Blue)
Optical Resolution 3.4 Megapixel Output Resolution (Full Color RGB
Image)
"
The Foveon does have 10.2 million discrete r,g & b sensors which combine to
provide 3.4 megapixels of optical resolution.

The Canon 10D, and other 6 mp Bayers, have 6M discrete r,g&b sensors which
combine to provide 6 megapixels of optical resolution.

 

In message <>,

I don't think that this is correct at all. The R, G, and B compose a
single pixel combined on the x3. You should not say "3.4M red, 3.4M
green, and 3.4M blue pixels". You should say "3.4M full-RGB pixels".
--

 

You must've clicked your porn bookmark by accident. B&H's website
still says, and has always said.

"3.4M Red + 3.4M Green + 3.4M Blue = 10.2 Megapixel Total Resolution"
"captures 10.2 million color values (3.4 Mp Red + 3.4 Mp Green + 3.4
Mp Blue) with no color interpolation"

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=305163&is=REG

But their summer catalog corrects the error of only listing the SD10
as 10.2MP. Here is a picture of B&H's Summer 2004 Catalog page 37...

http://www.pbase.com/image/29812856

B&H is really on the ball, now they even list Bayer resolutions as
"Maximum Recorded Pixels" since they are only interpolated
resolutions, it's the idental verbage they use when they list the
Sigma SD10 at 13.72MP.

 

I agree with you; I was just stating that the B&H site used
the 10.2 figure...doesn't mean it's not misleading!

dave