article on broadband congestion..

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by The Natural Philosopher, May 7, 2014.

  1. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/0..._holding_lastmile_traffic_ransom_isp_alleges/

    Worth a read if you are interested in the technical and commercial issues.

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    lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
    members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
    rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
    diminishing number of producers.
     
    The Natural Philosopher, May 7, 2014
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    Davey Guest

    When we lived in Michigan, Comcast (mentioned there) was our only Cable
    TV supplier. They were the most unfriendly, unresponsive service company
    we ever dealt with. Apart from a thieving insurance company, that is.
    Our 'city' government had to keep on calling Comcast in to remind them
    of the terms of the franchise deal they had signed up to, and they made
    them adhere to those terms, but it was an ongoing battle.
    They were specialists of the 'bait and switch' deals for getting people
    to use them as their Broadband supplier.

    I would be happy to read that they had been fined, or whatever, for bad
    business practices.
     
    Davey, May 7, 2014
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  3. It's tied in with the current 'net neutrality' row over the pond.

    We had a similar issue here some years ago when BBC iPlayer began to take
    off and some ISPs complained, saying the BBC should contribute to the cost
    of carrying the additional traffic.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/22/bbc_cdn_isps_level3/

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/bbc_highfield_isp_threat/

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e6d0e9d0-4934-11dc-b326-0000779fd2ac.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/apr/07/iplayer.isps

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1584411/BBC-and-ISPs-in-dispute-over-
    iPlayer-costs.html

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/26/isps_against_bbc_iplayer_comment/
     
    Mike Tomlinson, May 8, 2014
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  4. Andrew Gabriel, May 8, 2014
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  5. Britain is actually near the top of the 'league of nations' in terms of
    penetration and speed of broadband. Streets ahead of Germany..

    Not sure we aren't No 1. in terms of E-shopping as well.



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    Ineptocracy

    (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
    lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
    members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
    rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
    diminishing number of producers.
     
    The Natural Philosopher, May 8, 2014
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  6. True - but try telling that to my neighbours, many of whom are
    struggling along with download speeds of around 1Mbps.
    I'm quite chuffed to be getting nearly 3Mbps.
    And no plans for fibre in this neck of the woods.
    Furthermore, because fibre has become a national priority, ADSL2
    provision seems to have been quietly killed off
     
    George Weston, May 8, 2014
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  7. Yes.

    You can't blame BT for going for the profitable and leaving the
    unprofitable.

    They will get round to better fibre in due course..

    It took me years after everyone else to get ADSL...I had ISDN...for a
    few years. Horrensdously expensive,.



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    Ineptocracy

    (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
    lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
    members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
    rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
    diminishing number of producers.
     
    The Natural Philosopher, May 8, 2014
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    Martin Brown Guest

    Smaller densely populated countries like Belgium, Netherlands, Hong
    Kong, Japan and Korea must be fairly high up the list.

    I think that is correct.
    You can blame BDUK for making such a monumental cock up of giving BT big
    subsidies to cherry pick the most profitable rural areas and even to
    facilitate delivery to wipe out local scale microwave initiatives.
    But actually very reliable solid 128k bonded. I had it in Belgium.

    There is a village down the road where bonded ISDN with compression
    would be faster than the poxy barely working ADSL service they sometimes
    get when the cables and junction boxes are not waterlogged.

    I was speaking on the phone last night to someone so afflicted and the
    noise level on their POTS circuit would come and go at a level that was
    severe enough to disrupt communication. Not surprisingly their internet
    connection is hopeless. Annoyingly their ISP will do nothing about it.
     
    Martin Brown, May 9, 2014
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  9. CAN do nothing about it..except complain to BT..

    The starting point there is to complain about a bad VOICE circuit.



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    Ineptocracy

    (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
    lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
    members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
    rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
    diminishing number of producers.
     
    The Natural Philosopher, May 9, 2014
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    DrTeeth Guest

    Definitely. We had such a bad voice line at work that our regular 7000
    connection dropped to 576 with an SNRM of >26dB.

    Eventually got the line fixed (the manager is too polite) and found
    the SNRM to be at 15dB. It has slowly started reducing, much slower
    than it should as the line is surprisingly error-free (I just mean
    very good stats).

    Do NOT mention broadband when you phone.

    The strange thing is that our phone line tested as 'okay' and it was
    only when we had so much noise on the line that the BT bod could not
    hear us that things started moving. The practice has ADSL with BT, the
    fools.
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    Cheers,

    DrT

    ** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
    ** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
    ** out of someone who richly deserves it.
     
    DrTeeth, May 10, 2014
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    Graham J Guest

    Rubbish!

    Unless you live in a big city the infrastructure is all provided by
    Openreach. Further the limiting factor on performance is the line
    length and quality.

    So no ISP can improve that. They might be able to get Openreach to
    improve reliablity, so that the 1Mbits/sec is virtually 100% available
    and doesn't drop out except when there's a thunderstorm.

    You can improve the performance by moving house. I'm told the service
    in Singapore is very good - you could relocate there!

    To me, this seems to be much the same as the position in the USA.
     
    Graham J, May 10, 2014
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  12. Can't argue with any of that but UK customers have a wide choice of
    suppliers, many of whom can provide a better customer-service experience
    than others - and strangely enough, many of the former can do it for
    less money than some of the worst ones.
    I cite BT in the latter category, who are not only relatively expensive
    but also provide an abysmal customer-service experience from their
    Indian call-centres.
    The irony is that BT own Plusnet, who are cheaper and operate a UK call
    centre.
     
    George Weston, May 10, 2014
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    Davey Guest

    Yes. When I lived in Michigan, my DSL was provided by at&t, and that
    was the only ISP available. Here, as stated, I have a wide choice of
    suppliers. Although the wiring is similarly owned by only one company
    in both places, the service offered is very different.
     
    Davey, May 10, 2014
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  14. And let's not forget that, although the copper path is the same for all
    ISPs, with LLU you will find different performance as not every chipset
    and firmware behaves in the same way.
     
    Rupert Moss-Eccardt, May 11, 2014
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