Are you folks MAC or PC?

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by baker1, Dec 20, 2005.

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    Bruce Hoult Guest

    And the sixth version for Mac.

    They weren't the *same* code base, but they did to a very large extent
    share design, features, key bindings and file format to the point that
    it was not much problem to move users and documents between them (with
    some niggles of course).
     
    Bruce Hoult, Dec 27, 2005
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    Mick Mack Guest

    Apples monopoly on its slow running hardware will be coming to an end.
    Hackers bypassed the TPM chip (Trusted Platform Module) that apple
    software checks for true blue apple hardware.

    The result, a no name $300 PC box that runs faster than any apple ever
    could.

    http://www.wired.com/news/mac/1,68501-0.html
     
    Mick Mack, Dec 27, 2005
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    Guest Guest

    the quarterly report explains what each category includes. peripherals
    and other hardware is for the ibook and powerbook lines (footnote c).
    software services and other include mac os x itself, application
    software such as final cut pro, applecare extended warranties and
    internet services such as .mac subscriptions (footnote f). mac sales
    is self-explanatory and that leaves 38% for ipods, accessories and
    music sales.
    they were not hemmoraging - go look at previous financial info. they
    had some quarterly losses in the late 90s, however, they were not in
    any danger of going bust. they have had consistent profitable quarters
    since around '98 or '99 (i don't recall offhand). the ipod came out in
    october 2001, and it wasn't until the last year or so when ipod sales
    dramatically increased.
     
    Guest, Dec 27, 2005
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    Ray Fischer Guest

    Not me. Microsoft make great applications software such as Word and
    Excel -- especially in the earlier versions before they got onto the
    "gotta add useless flash to make everyone upgrade every two years"
    treadmill. Word 5.1a is still the bext word processing program ever,
    and Excel 4 rocks too.

    I've used a Microsoft optical wheel mouse for years on my Mac. Great
    stuff. It's been displaced now by the better but stupidly named Mighty
    Mouse -- which even Linux/KDE friends agree with.

    However Microsoft should just stay away from designing operating systems
    and user interfaces. They just don't get it. If one day they *do* get
    it I'll use their stuff happily.[/QUOTE]

    Actually Windows and MS User Interfaces work quite well if you train
    yourself to think like an overworked software engineer and can deal
    with doing things his way and don't need to do anything else.

    Of course, if you're not a mind-reader, not into reading hundreds of
    pages of manuals, or not trained with a decade of using Windows, then
    you're pretty much screwed.
     
    Ray Fischer, Dec 27, 2005
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    Ray Fischer Guest

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    Ray Fischer Guest

    Plenty of people disagree. Besides, you make the mistake of assuming
    that the quality of the OS is of great relevance. It isn't.
     
    Ray Fischer, Dec 27, 2005
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    Ray Fischer Guest



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    Ray Fischer, Dec 27, 2005
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    Ray Fischer Guest

    You're an idiot. New software upgrades rarely require a hardware
    upgrade. Certainly no more often than Microsoft requires hardware
    ugrades. Does WinXP run on a x286 PC?
     
    Ray Fischer, Dec 27, 2005

  9. You are doing things the other way round.

    Why would anyone try to run Windows XP on a x286 PC?

    No one will try to run new software on an old machine. The hard drive has
    about 5 years of life if run 24 hours a day continuously. The cooling fans
    will die because there are bearings and bushings which will wear out.

    I am talking about running your favourite old software on a new machine. You
    can install your old DOS on a new Pentium 4 to run your old DOS accounting
    programmes which you have depended on for the last 20 years for your small
    business. The DOS will run on your new Pentium 4 by itself, or under the
    umbrella of Windows XP. It will just run faster and smoother than with your
    good old Intel 8088, 8086, 80x86 PC. You cannot do that with Apple.


    Wannabe
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    WannabeSomeone, Dec 27, 2005
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    Bystander Guest

    And if you want to write software for _Windows_, there are very
    specific guidelines that must be adhered to also, guidelines that
    resemble those for the Mac -- you know, event loops, grafports, menus
    and so on. Except for people writing drivers and such, nobody makes
    software for bare PCs anymore. That went out with DOS.

    As for hardware, Apple has progressively moved to be more aligned with
    existing PC hardware standards. Switching to Intel is a natural
    extension of that process.
    So hardware and software features are less important to you that what
    the other kids do? Oh, like that makes sense.
     
    Bystander, Dec 27, 2005
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    Bystander Guest

    Bystander, Dec 27, 2005
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    Guest Guest

    dead after only 43,800 hours? most hard drives have an mtbf of
    roughly ten times that. here is a drive that was reviewed 4.5 years
    ago that was rated 1.2 million hours mtbf:

    you most certainly can do that with apple.

    nearly all software from as far back as the first mac in 1984 works
    fine on today's macs without doing anything special - simply double
    click. that is quite impressive considering that the cpu and the
    operating system are completely different from the original macintosh.
     
    Guest, Dec 27, 2005
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    Tim Smith Guest

    Wrong. My old Mac software, from the days of the first 128k 68000 Mac
    runs fine on my G5.
     
    Tim Smith, Dec 27, 2005
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    Sarah Brown Guest

    Sorry to intrude on your personal flame war here, but this really isn't the
    case with Macs. I'm typing this on a 4-year old iBook G3 which is slowly
    falling apart, and it's running the absolute latest version of OS X, and
    apart from the trackpad wearing out, and the backlight occasionally
    flickering, it works very well.
     
    Sarah Brown, Dec 27, 2005

  15. 1.2 millions hours is 137 years. How do you explain all these hard drive
    failures in the last twenty years? You misunderstand the meaning of MTBF
    (Mean Time Between Failure). That is the failure in reading and writing
    (making mistakes in reading and writing), not the physical mechanical
    failure of the drive itself.

    Look at the specs from this link of a 2.5 inch notebook hard drive:
    http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=002832&cid=HD.517

    At the bottom it shows
    MTTF (Mean Time To Failure) Power on hours 300,000
    Product Life 5 years or 20,000 power on hours (2.28 years).

    The motor and other mechanical parts simply cannot last 300,000 hours.

    That is a 2.5 inch notebook drive. A 3.5 inch regular drive will be about 5
    years continuous running life.

    Any company with the computer running 24-7 will have to replace their hard
    drive every 5 years or sooner to avoid losing data.



    That is an emulation. The Apple can also emulate Intel CPU instruction sets
    to run DOS programs too but that is a tedious way of doing things and it is
    slow and not safe if the program use some obscure hardware specific calls
    directly.


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    WannabeSomeone, Dec 27, 2005
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    Ron Hunter Guest

    Sure they do, but then they MUST adhere to the strict rules about what
    can be done, and how, or the next version of the OS may render them
    useless. That's why there are rules! They are also supposed to get
    certified by Apple, if they are to use the Mac or Apple names in
    advertising.....
     
    Ron Hunter, Dec 27, 2005
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    Ron Hunter Guest

    Yes, it sounds like Adam Osbourne who said 'Good enough is good enough'.
    You may disagree, but in the marketing business, it IS true.
     
    Ron Hunter, Dec 27, 2005
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    Ron Hunter Guest

    Probably because Xerox didn't own the rights, as they were developed
    under a government contract. I am sure they would have LOVED to be able
    to exploit them for themselves...
     
    Ron Hunter, Dec 27, 2005
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    Ron Hunter Guest

    Ray,
    Specifically what part of what he said was a lie, and why?
     
    Ron Hunter, Dec 27, 2005
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    Ron Hunter Guest

    Probably no more than OSX will run on a Mac128. But then a 286 will
    probably run Win98SE, given enough ram. Older versions of Mac OS just
    don't support older hardware as well as current Windows OS versions.
    It's a fact, but feel free to ignore it as you do most other facts not
    supportive of Apple.
     
    Ron Hunter, Dec 27, 2005
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