[QUOTE]\n[QUOTE="Tony Cooper"]\nYou have an incredible ability to skew the point when you don't want\nto see/hear it.\n\nYour first line is "who cares...what matters is whether someone gets\nthe results they want...".\n\nThat thinking should be generous enough to allow someone to\npost-process in anything from Gimp to Photoshop to Lightroom as long\nas they get the results they want.[/QUOTE]\n\nthey can use whatever they want. i've *never* said otherwise.\n[QUOTE]\nAs you yourself say, nobody [sic]\nis going to look at the finished image and comment on what method was\nused to get to that result unless they feel the image wasn't processed\nto achieve the results *they* feel is possible. Unless they're an\neditor who is buying the image, though, their opinion doesn't count\nmore than the photographer's.\n\nThe fact that LR is easy to use and produce good results is a separate\nissue. The issue you've commented on here is about the photographer\ngetting the results wanted.[/QUOTE]\n\nit's not a separate issue. it's *the* issue.\n\nsome people, including yourself, like to make things more difficult\nthan they need to be.\n\nwhat's the point in that? why spend hours getting the desired results\nwhen you can spend a fraction of that to get those results, with time\nleft over to do other things? or if you prefer, continue working on the\nimages and get even *better* results than you thought could be\npossible.\n\nin other words, be productive.\n[QUOTE]\nAs for "complicated", it's the prerogative of the user to determine\nwhat they are willing to do to achieve a finished product that pleases\nthem. Amateur photographers are not generally on deadlines or\notherwise required to be particularly efficient. If we - and I'm in\nthat group - want to ten minutes on an image when you might get to the\nsame place in two, that's our option. Since we haven't seen anything\nof yours, we're not even sure you can turn out results that are what\nwe think to be acceptable even if you are working with an\nuncomplicated and efficient system.[/QUOTE]\n\nit's not a question of deadlines or whether you think my photos are any\ngood.\n\nwhy spend more time than necessary doing something?[/QUOTE]\n\nYou have absolutely no idea how much time I take on an individual\nphotograph.[QUOTE]\nmaybe you have more free time than you know what to do with, but most\npeople don't, which is why choosing the most efficient and productive\nway to do what needs to be done is a good idea and that *doesn't* mean\ncompromising the results, as certain people here claim.\n\ni'm getting the same (or better) results in *far* less time with\nlightroom than i ever did with photoshop, and i can still use photoshop\nfor the occasional images that need additional work. overall, it's a\nhuge, huge productivity boost.[/QUOTE]\n\nSo, you weren't very good with Photoshop. It's a program for\ngrown-ups, so don't feel badly.\n\nIt's wonderful that you have more time now to make all these posts\nthat contribute nothing, contain nothing interesting, and are mostly\nrepeating the same old shit. Maybe you should go back to trying to\nlearn how to use Photoshop.