Anonying Spam

Discussion in 'Computer Information' started by Lloyd Jones, Jun 23, 2004.

  1. Lloyd Jones

    Unknown Guest

    Again - correct. Unfortunately, that is better than Spamkiller's default,
    too, which is to download the bastards then display them to you. Spamkiller
    5 is SO damned good, though, you'd use it anyway! :)
     
    Unknown, Jul 1, 2004
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  2. Lloyd Jones

    Unknown Guest

    OBVIOUSLY you don't understand, then! With OE's rule as you correctly put
    it, the entire email is deleted at the server. So, if you have a message
    that falls into some rule you made up but is from a friend who you want to
    GET mail from, it's gone and you never know it is there. Mailwasher
    downloads JUST the header and if you see you have incorrectly caught
    something you want, you can remove a single tick and still get it.

    BTW, adding all your email address book to a rule for OE doesn't stop emails
    coming FROM a friend's address with viruses attached or which is spam
    itself, disguised as coming from a friend.
     
    Unknown, Jul 1, 2004
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  3. Lloyd Jones

    Unknown Guest

    You're right - it IS his right!
     
    Unknown, Jul 1, 2004
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  4. Lloyd Jones

    Unknown Guest

    So you think it is better to sit there and do that than download the free
    version of mailwasher and let IT handle it?
    .....because the truth is that OE cant do it more simply. It is a lot harder
    work and it doesnt stop spam the way you are saying if the spam is disguised
    as coming from someone in your list. It also doesnt stop similarly disguised
    viruses.
    .....been meaning to ask about that one. Why "week"?

    My favourite signoff:

    Friar Tuck was always the butt of Spoonerisms amongst the Merry Men.
     
    Unknown, Jul 1, 2004
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  5. Lloyd Jones

    Unknown Guest

    So what is it like for all the new stuff or variants? Eg, you know if you
    get an email based on Viagra, people put "V i a g r a " and all sorts of
    other variants.

    Have you tried Spamkiller 5?
     
    Unknown, Jul 1, 2004
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  6. Lloyd Jones

    Jim Berwick Guest

    It is a self training spam filter that flags email as junk. If you find
    something isn't junk, you tell it so. If you find something is junk that
    it let through, you show it and it learns how to classify junk.
     
    Jim Berwick, Jul 1, 2004
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  7. Lloyd Jones

    Thor Guest

    Actually, I do understand quite well. You just jumped to conclusions. I was
    merely commenting on the issue because some may be under the impression that
    OE cannot delete mail at the server, which it obviously can. I don't use
    Trent's method of mail filtering, and I wasn't posting in defense of it as a
    good way to filter spam. You read too much into my post, which included
    nothing more than a brief comment on the delete feature, not on the
    filtering method. I use a bayesean filter. I like it far better than
    Mailwasher (which I HAVE used BTW), because it eliminates the annoying
    two-step process of reviewing all the incoming headers in Mailwasher, then
    getting the filtered mail in OE. Popfile works transparantly, and
    effectively. One step. Get our mail in OE the normal way and the spam is
    auto-filtered by Popfile, and is tossed into the deleted items folder, where
    any missed messages can be easily checked and recovered. But, after
    receiving almost 2000 messages since August of last year, it has an accuracy
    rating of 99.6% of correctly classifying emails.
    No shit.
     
    Thor, Jul 1, 2004
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  8. Lloyd Jones

    jeremy Guest

    Also the new mailwasher has a parameter learning capability that
    defaults to delete, but marks some messages as possibly authentic. In
    the last couple of weeks it has learned how to distinguish between spam
    with my valid email addys in the address and the genuine stuff. Between
    9 accounts, some of which I use unmunged in usenet and public forums, I
    have reduced my time spent on spam to less than two minutes a day and
    with an error rate of zero.

    I get a lot of html posts from people on my friends list, not all of
    which I need to read or view, I can delete them on the server also,
    without marking them as spam. Email from sources on the friends list
    will also be marked as suspect should they contain a virus or an
    executable file. that allows me to confirm the validity prior to
    download.

    Mailwasher also allows me to view the headers and part of the text from
    all the different providers or any particular account or accounts,
    without restarting in different profiles.
     
    jeremy, Jul 2, 2004
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  9. Lloyd Jones

    Trent© Guest

    And neither does OE.


    Have a nice week...

    Trent©

    Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!
     
    Trent©, Jul 2, 2004
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  10. Lloyd Jones

    Trent© Guest

    Now we understand.


    Have a nice week...

    Trent©

    Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!
     
    Trent©, Jul 2, 2004
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  11. Lloyd Jones

    Trent© Guest

    Its done with one filter...and it takes about 10 seconds to set it up.
    You seem to think that you've got to enter each address manually.
    Took about 10 seconds to set up the filter.
    How does Mailwasher do this? If you have a friend and
    someone you don't know sends you an email using his address, how does
    mailwasher know that its bogus?

    Yer right...OE reads headers. If someone is able to properly munge
    the header, OE can't protect against that. But I don't know of ANY
    mail program that can do that...unless you include signatures with the
    mail.
    Most of the virii sent to me are stopped by my ISP. Any that get thru
    are stopped by my anti-virus program.

    I don't remember seeing that Mailwasher can do any better. I don't
    remember seeing that there are virus definitions that need to be
    updated with Mailwasher.

    I tried Mailwasher...didn't like it.


    Have a nice week...

    Trent©

    Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!
     
    Trent©, Jul 2, 2004
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  12. Lloyd Jones

    Jim Berwick Guest

    Then please do explain an easy way of doing your half assed solution.
     
    Jim Berwick, Jul 2, 2004
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  13. Lloyd Jones

    Trent© Guest

    Put your half-assed glasses on and read this thread again.

    And invest some money in a Dale Carnegie course. Or you'll be doin'
    customer support for the rest of your life.


    Have a nice week...

    Trent©

    Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!
     
    Trent©, Jul 2, 2004
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  14. Lloyd Jones

    Lloyd Jones Guest

    I like the way Tent posts, don't matter what he says to you it always ends
    in

    Have a nice week..

    lol

    LJ.
     
    Lloyd Jones, Jul 2, 2004
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