Analyst says MS Office to fall to open source

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 15, 2006.

  1. It has since version 1.1.3

    Insert -> Objects -> OLE objects -> further objects -> mathtype 5
    Endnote has been perfectly happy with OOo since v9.
    And MS-Office is? What, like Publisher?
    With what? MS-Office? And MS-Office is how much odt compatiable? 0%?
    lev_lafayette, Mar 18, 2006
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    ChrisOD Guest

    Lev, I think tho OP point was about chargeout rates. these are generally
    significantly more than what such a person could get for themself.

    Things I have seen at 2-300/h are consultants so E&Y or KPMG etc.
    They basically jusy come in and tell you what your staff have been
    telling you for months or years and then write it up in a nice doc.

    Allong with a very large bill.
    ChrisOD, Mar 18, 2006
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    whoisthis Guest

    Its called a research professor who is making in excess of 120,000 a
    year, has a pa at 40,000 a year, has an office, a lab, etc. By the time
    you add up the cost to have the person.... it adds up.

    Oh, and if you want some high tech equipment serviced, like MRI, NMR,
    DNA Sequencers etc then yeah, 200-300/hr is the going rate there too,
    sometime more if you want urgent service.
    whoisthis, Mar 18, 2006
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    whoisthis Guest

    Its not just those kinds of consultants either. A friend of mine was
    flown to Australia to work for a company over there servicing
    instrumentation. They were paying him AU$80/hr as well as all expenses
    and then flew his wife over for a 4 day holiday with them meeting the
    expenses for that too. Why... because he is damned good at his job and
    is worth every cent.
    whoisthis, Mar 18, 2006
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    ChrisOD Guest

    Yes but in specialist technical services Office software is a _very_
    small percentage of the job and is normally used quite simply.

    So instrumentation techs or medical equipment service techs are poor
    examples of your point. the Deliottes and KPMGs of this world better
    suit your case.
    ChrisOD, Mar 18, 2006
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    whoisthis Guest

    No, as I said I have a research professor who is paid in excess of
    120,000 + a PA at 40,000 + he has heaps of expenses for conferences,
    international travel, etc etc. All up when you work on the basis that
    you double a persons wage/salary to cover overheads (ACC, Holidays, etc,
    etc) then that comes to a COST of $160-200/hr..... and that is probably
    on the low side !
    LOL, yeah right, there are so many people in NZ getting paid that and
    more its not funny. It think a good QC easily earns that, as do most
    doctors, dentists, and a significant number of academics within NZs
    universities and research institutes...... never mind the New Readers on
    whoisthis, Mar 18, 2006
  7. Oh.

    Do you mean tab-delimited text files?


    Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 18, 2006
  8. So you charge $300/hour for somebody to sit at a desk and use Micro$oft
    Word all day?


    Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 18, 2006
  9. Is "rj" aka Shit For Brains Dunford?

    Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 18, 2006
  10. If it's going to a publisher, then surely a text file is better than a
    wordprocessor document. At some stage the contents of wordprocessor
    documents need to be converted into plain text, so why not provide it as
    text already?

    Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 18, 2006
  11. Yes - but in the job description of those two persons does the use of
    Micro$oft Office feature as the primary task that they do for the majority
    of their work time?

    *You* were claiming that you were charging between $200-300/hour for your
    staff to sit at desks all day using Micro$oft Office.

    I find that impossible to believe.

    Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 18, 2006
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    ChrisOD Guest

    Agreed, there are heaps of people getting charged out at 2-300/hr

    But...., I thought legal secretaries still used wordperfect, drs and
    dentists almost only need specialist software to run a practice and
    news readers need a newsroom system. All poor examples.

    I was more saying your example of the essentialness of office suites that
    are 100% compatible with MS's were poor examples. I do not dispute your
    premise that there are a number of organisations that need advanced 100%
    compatible office and that some of these people are charged out at high

    I too have been charged out at high rates in the past, and the main
    essential MS tool I needed was visio.
    ChrisOD, Mar 19, 2006
  13. I thought you knew Dunfords style sufficiently well to spot the obvious...
    persona non gratia, Mar 19, 2006
  14. Are Access development positions very easy to find in large centres? I
    hate Access, but I'd do it for the money. I can make fully customised
    apps that don't resemble Access at all to the user, and have no problem
    spitting out scores of VBA in it: one project with about 2000 lines of
    (my own) code, another with about 1000. That's just me being bored in my
    distance tutoring job; automating things for the hell of it. I don't
    know if that's elaborate for Access development or not, or what level of
    skill I'm at (I have no IT training). I'd like to make more than $35,500
    (seeing as that's for three years in my current job). I'm now to spend
    about a third of my time learning as I go with under an ex uni
    lecturer, I don't know if I should consider myself lucky for the paid
    training opportunity or underpaid.
    I'm A Trampoline, Mar 19, 2006
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    Max Burke Guest

    Have A Nice Cup of Tea scribbled:
    Extra work for the publisher to format it; far better that the author do

    A plain teaxt document doesn't give the Editors/Sub Editors any idea on how
    the author wants the article presented, where diagrams, drawings, charts,
    photos, etc are supposed to go, let alone include non-text data....
    No they dont.
    Most modern printers can and do accept MS Word documents; Even Macs accept
    MS Word documents to allow page layouts; Editors and Sub Editors may/do use
    MS word to proof read articles when preparing the article for printing, etc,
    etc, etc...
    Max Burke, Mar 19, 2006
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    whoisthis Guest

    As I say, academic staff at universities are heavily dependant on MS
    Word/Excel/PowerPoint, true the mathematicians use Tex (laTex, TexShop,
    etc) . They use it for teaching, research and administration, they use
    it on PCs and MacIntoshes.
    whoisthis, Mar 19, 2006
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    whoisthis Guest

    Large amounts of time are used for writing new courses, writing lecture
    note, writing exams, writing research papers, writing PhD reports,
    administration, research grant applications, etc etc etc.

    So yes a LARGE percentage of their job IS tied to computers. This is why
    we have so many staff using Macs, the initial purchace may be a little
    bit more but the payback period is extremely short !
    You should get out more then.
    whoisthis, Mar 19, 2006
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    whoisthis Guest

    LOL, you have no idea.... Ever try to do chemical structures etc in
    text... sorry aint happening, same with physics, mathematics, biology,
    genetics, vetinary, etc

    Never mind about all the crap people have to go through for Grant
    applications where even the font, font size and exact page layout are
    whoisthis, Mar 19, 2006
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    whoisthis Guest

    Some day... yes.
    whoisthis, Mar 19, 2006
  20. No - you'd use a graphic for that.

    Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 19, 2006
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