AKAMAI Technologies?

Discussion in 'Computer Security' started by Patrick Sullivan, May 6, 2005.

  1. Does anyone know how to stop the deploy.akamaitechnologies.com TCP
    connection permanently? It pops up and hogs bandwidth and I hate it.
    Firewall, eStop, antivirus, HOSTS file, nothing stops it!

    running ie6, w2k svrc pac 4 with all security updates, Zonealarm firewall,
    avg antivirus, antispyware programs, etc. Is this some FBI or Microsoft spy
    program?
     
    Patrick Sullivan, May 6, 2005
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  2. From: "Patrick Sullivan" <>

    | Does anyone know how to stop the deploy.akamaitechnologies.com TCP
    | connection permanently? It pops up and hogs bandwidth and I hate it.
    | Firewall, eStop, antivirus, HOSTS file, nothing stops it!
    |
    | running ie6, w2k svrc pac 4 with all security updates, Zonealarm firewall,
    | avg antivirus, antispyware programs, etc. Is this some FBI or Microsoft spy
    | program?
    |

    No its a third party server system used by many reputable companies.
     
    David H. Lipman, May 6, 2005
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  3. Did you install something that automatically updates?

    Akamai isn't a spyware company, they're a giant webhoster, specialised
    in load-balanced hosting for companies so that you can ever download
    files at the best possible speed.

    They're quite often used as a download place for automatic updates, for
    example for antivirus-software.

    Juergen Nieveler
     
    Juergen Nieveler, May 6, 2005
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  4. Well, I use avg and zonealarm, with aoutoupdate, but even with those
    temporarily turned off, I still get the connnections. I have no file sharing
    programs installed. When I am not browsing or emailing, chatting etc, I like
    to see no downloading activity going on. It all began when a friend asked me
    to look on the local public bus system's website for maps and scheduling
    info last week. Want the URL so you can get infected? :)

    Thanks for the info, now I still don't like the idea.
     
    Patrick Sullivan, May 6, 2005
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  5. From: "Patrick Sullivan" <>

    | Well, I use avg and zonealarm, with aoutoupdate, but even with those
    | temporarily turned off, I still get the connnections. I have no file sharing
    | programs installed. When I am not browsing or emailing, chatting etc, I like
    | to see no downloading activity going on. It all began when a friend asked me
    | to look on the local public bus system's website for maps and scheduling
    | info last week. Want the URL so you can get infected? :)
    |
    | Thanks for the info, now I still don't like the idea.

    I just downloaded the Trend Micro Pattern File 615 and it downloaded via an Akamai
    Technologies web server.
     
    David H. Lipman, May 6, 2005
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  6. Patrick Sullivan

    Jim Watt Guest

    If we had a FAQ Akamai would be one of the topics as its
    often raised; why not ask them what their purpose is?

    I got a very detailed reply, and basically what they do is
    host content for other peoples websites to speed up
    delivery.

    If you are in Belgium and access a site in Australia, Akamai
    deliver the large stuff from a server local to you to cut down
    delays and make better use of the Internet. The content may
    be large files, or adverts.

    Its a business model that works. The general view is also
    that it is harmless and useful.
     
    Jim Watt, May 6, 2005
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  7. Patrick Sullivan

    Guest Guest


    Is Automatic Updates service enabled? Is Windows configured to
    automatically check for updates (and perhaps download them)? Akamai is
    used by Microsoft to provide world-wide load-balancing for all Windows
    users.
     
    Guest, May 7, 2005
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  8. Yes, checking for updates is enabled, but not installing without permission.
    I was downloading/installing updates from Windows Update when I noticed it,
    I believe. But that's done, and my machine is not a server, so I do not want
    MS or anyone else using it for load balancing. I wonder if I can find
    anything in the registry, I am going to look in there. Thanks to all.
    patrick
     
    Patrick Sullivan, May 9, 2005
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  9. From: "Patrick Sullivan" <>

    | Yes, checking for updates is enabled, but not installing without permission.
    | I was downloading/installing updates from Windows Update when I noticed it,
    | I believe. But that's done, and my machine is not a server, so I do not want
    | MS or anyone else using it for load balancing. I wonder if I can find
    | anything in the registry, I am going to look in there. Thanks to all.
    | patrick

    You just don't get it !

    Load Balancing has nothing to do with YOUR PC. It has to do with a distribution service
    (FTP or HTTP).
    Think about it....
    How do you allow millions of customers (clients) to download MegaBytes of data ?

    By Load Balancing the servers through a 3rd party hosting company such as Akamai Tech.

    It isn't going to be in the Registry. Akamai isn't software residing on your computer. It
    is Domain Name resolution redirection to the load-balanced site.

    For example;
    ping -a www.trendmicro.com

    Pinging a151.g.akamai.net [130.81.64.50] with 32 bytes of data:

    Reply from 130.81.64.50: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=58
    Reply from 130.81.64.50: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=58
    Reply from 130.81.64.50: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=58
    Reply from 130.81.64.50: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=58

    Ping statistics for 130.81.64.50:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
    Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 12ms, Maximum = 13ms, Average = 12ms

    Notice that although I requested a PING on the Domain "trendmicro.com", it returned a host
    at the Domain "akamai.net".

    It is that simple.
     
    David H. Lipman, May 9, 2005
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  10. Patrick Sullivan

    Guest Guest

    Well, your choice to download the update files (but not to install
    them). I prefer to simply notify me that there are updates and then
    decide to download them.

    You are Akamai? No one said your computer was behaving as a server in
    regard to Windows updates. You are a *client* that has asked to
    *download* the updates so, yes, you have configured your Windows to
    connect the and download those files. Since Microsoft uses Akamai to
    provide global load-balancing of updates, it is likely Akamai has other
    customers so you might be using other software that also connects to
    Akamai.
    Change the Windows Update feature to prompt you when updates are
    available (and NOT to download the updates whether you install them or
    not).
     
    Guest, May 9, 2005
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  11. Patrick Sullivan

    Jim Watt Guest

    You are talking nonsense.

    MS use Akamai for load balancing and have no interest in your
    machine apart from keeping it up to date with free upgrades to
    block holes in their orrible operating system.

    Windows update may be 'done' for today but there will be more
    of it to come.

    If the whole world had to rely on downloading upgrades from a
    site in Redmond it would work very slowly so Akamai do a grand
    job in spreading connectivity around.

    You will find lots of things in the registry, if you don't understand
    them, leave them alone.
     
    Jim Watt, May 9, 2005
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  12. I hope not.
    apart from keeping it up to date with free upgrades to block holes in their
    orrible operating system.

    Why should I trust them ("no interest in my machine")? They are a
    corporation and corporations have usually been out for their own interests,
    not mine.
    come.

    Yeah, and I check the windows update site often enough. I do not even want
    all their updates, like for one, media player v9.
    Redmond it would work very slowly so Akamai do a grand job in spreading
    connectivity around.

    MS could have a server in every state in the union if they wanted. Nothing's
    keeping their whole site in WA.
    them, leave them alone.

    Maybe I understand more than is apparent from my writing. BTW, there was no
    akamai in my registry, and the constant downloading of packets has ceased.
    But the connection is still there during, and after, updates from Zonealarm,
    AVG, and MS. I liked downloading updates as ".exe" files, the way it used to
    be.

    --
     
    Patrick Sullivan, May 11, 2005
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  13. Well, your choice to download the update files (but not to install them).
    I prefer to simply notify me that there are updates and then decide to
    download them.

    I have even disabled hat service now, I never liked it anyway. It took so
    long to startup after booting. Accidentally pressing it also involved
    several steps to shut it down again, too.
    or anyone else using it for load balancing.>
    regard to Windows updates.

    But that is what it seemed like it was doing! SOMETHING was moving from my
    machine to them and vice versa, when every update service was shut entirely
    down.

    You are a *client* that has asked to *download* the updates so, yes, you
    have configured your Windows to
    provide global load-balancing of updates, it is likely Akamai has other
    customers so you might be using other software that also connects to
    Yes, it seems they do. Whatever, I can see that whatever was happening last
    week has ceased.

    Active Connections
    Proto Local Address Foreign Address State
    TCP w2005:epmap w2005:0 LISTENING
    TCP w2005:microsoft-ds w2005:0 LISTENING
    TCP w2005:1025 w2005:0 LISTENING
    TCP w2005:1026 w2005:0 LISTENING
    TCP w2005:10110 w2005:0 LISTENING
    UDP w2005:microsoft-ds *:*
    UDP w2005:isakmp *:*
     
    Patrick Sullivan, May 11, 2005
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  14. You just don't get it !
    There's the SETI effort, distributed computing to solve a problem, and there
    are others. There is also p2p filesharing like Napster used to do, and Kazaa
    and some others are still doing. I was distributing something over a
    connection that should have been quiet, that is why I said I was acting like
    a server for akamai. I figured at best, it was something like SETI or
    Kazaaa.
    data ? By Load Balancing the servers through a 3rd party hosting company
    such as Akamai Tech.

    Because MS is too lazy or poor to do that themselves?
    Ok, ok, I understand that. You guys just do not understand what I was
    complaining about, evidently. Megabytes of data were being exchanged with no
    update services active.
     
    Patrick Sullivan, May 11, 2005
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  15. From: "Patrick Sullivan" <>

    I suggest you get TCPVIEW from Sysinternals --
    http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/tcpview.shtml

    Then you can see what program is connecting to what site via what protocol.

    Such as...

    WGET.EXE:1192 TCP dlipman-1.verizon.net:1101 a199-45-62-28.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com:80
    ESTABLISHED

    Where the fully qualified path of WGET.EXE is...
    C:\SYSCLEAN\wget.exe

    Command Line;
    wget -t9 -w9 http://www.trendmicro.com/ftp/products/pattern/lpt625.zip

    All the above was obtained using TCPVIEW and copied into this reply.
     
    David H. Lipman, May 11, 2005
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  16. Patrick Sullivan

    Guest Guest


    "Act as server" means you must be *sending* OUTBOUND packets for file
    transfer. Windows Update (from Akamai) using INBOUND packets to *get*
    files. There is always some outbound packets sent for the inbound
    packets for downloading a file but that traffic is small and used for
    acknowledgements. You are *downloading* the updates (from Akamai)
    similar to when you download files from a web site for drivers,
    applications, utilities, or documents. You downloading files does NOT
    make you a server. You are also, in no way, part of the load-balanced
    server network provided for the download. You are the client, not the
    server. Kazaa, BitTorrent, or other P2P schemes have nothing to do with
    Windows Update and Akamai. You are NOT redistributing any of the files
    that you receive.

    Note that you never did mention in your posts whether the bandwidth
    hogging communications were inbound or outbound. The assumption was
    made that if it was to Akamai that it was most likely to be for Windows
    Updates and that would be for INBOUND traffic. You are the client
    receiving a file download for a Windows update that Microsoft is using
    Akamai to distribute to their worldwide customer base.
     
    Guest, May 11, 2005
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  17. Patrick Sullivan

    Guest Guest


    Does Ford, Subaru, Plymouth, Honda, or any car maker actually
    manufacture the tires that they put on their cars? Do they actually
    mine, transport, and process the ore to product the metal that they use
    in their cars? Do they drill, extract, transport, and process the oil
    to produce the plastics that they use in their car? Why spend money to
    do something for which you don't have the expertise and can be done much
    more cheaply using an existing service that shares its cost amongst many
    customers? You really think Microsoft, or any business that wants to
    remain in business, takes the most expensive route to a solution? When
    was the last time your doorbell rang and a Microsoft representative hand
    delivered a CD that contained the latest updates for your instance of
    Windows?
     
    Guest, May 11, 2005
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  18. Thanks, David, I believe I have that tcpview from over a year ago, but
    forgot about it. I use some other sysinternals programs often enough,
    entirely forgot about that one.

    patrick
     
    Patrick Sullivan, May 11, 2005
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  19. Patrick Sullivan

    Jim Watt Guest

    You trust them because their business is delivering content, for which
    they get paid by Microsoft who in turn trust them. If they started
    doing bad things that trust and their business model would fail.
    They could, and then there would be the issue of what to do about
    the real world. They would have problems of security and management
    of an infrastructure, so instead they contract to Akamai who are the
    experts in
    Its had to tell whether the sample is representative
    I liked MSDOS

    However, automatic updates works well for dumb users and there
    are a lot of them out there, and the more up-to-date their machines
    are the better life is for the rest of us.
     
    Jim Watt, May 11, 2005
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    EMAIL Outlook Express Software cops it as well!

    Today I also had to learn about "deploy.akamaitechnologies.com" after I found it latching onto my 'Outlook Express' e-mail software..without my permission!!

    Akamai Technologies company founder was an Israeli called Daniel C. Lewin. http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=7471

    Akamai Technologies company founder Daniel C. Lewin was also a Captain in the 'Sayeret Matkal' (An Israeli unit of 'Counter Terrorism/Anti Hijacking Commandos)

    Akamai Technologies company founder, and 'Sayeret Matkal' trained Daniel C. Lewin was also onboard Flight 11 during the September 11, 2001 hijackings.
    http://judicial-inc.biz/Fl_11_Daniel_Lewin.htm

    To better spot Akamai Technologies and their "deploy.akamaitechnologies.com" - Remove that junk ZoneAlarm software from your system and install something like 'SunBelt' firewall.
    http://www.sunbelt-software.com/Home-Home-Office/Sunbelt-Personal-Firewall/

    'SunBelt' firewall (in advanced mode) will show/ask you, if you would like "deploy.akamaitechnologies.com" operating in the background overseeing your EMAIL activities while using services like svhost.exe, 'Outlook Express" e-mail software etc. Zone Alarm doesn't inform you about those connections = JUNK!

    Shortly after 9/11, main stream news reported Israel's company control of American communications right up to the White House...before and after 9/11


    Summing up...

    * If you value your privacy, don't let some foreign company (without your permission) latch onto your e-mail programs, etc.!
    * ZoneAlarm and XP firewalls are junk!!! - And so are any other firewalls that don't show you ALL the sub connections each program is running in the background to the outside world...uninstall ZA and use something that shows all inward and outward connections by ip and full url.
    * If your see any url's come up linking your private data to "deploy.akamaitechnologies.com"... BLOCK IT!!!!!!!!!
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2007
    aussiebob, Jul 17, 2007
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