advise on apple purchase

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Michael Sacks, Sep 10, 2004.

  1. Sheer rubbish.

    Apparently, Macs are overpriced for you. But not for me and others who
    made a concious choice to buy Macintosh.

    I have no bones to pick with PC users; just those who want to make
    others wrong, like to argue, like to insult others, or are simply
    lacking many clues.

    The same stuff goes on, of course, in choice of camera, car, etc. etc.
     
    John McWilliams, Sep 16, 2004
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  2. Michael Sacks

    Ron Hunter Guest

    In line? You mean about 50% higher in price.
    ? What century are you living in. You buy the peripheral, and plug it
    in. At most you need to load a driver disk.
    Sometimes true for last century's versions, but NOT for WinXP.
     
    Ron Hunter, Sep 16, 2004
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  3. Michael Sacks

    clw Guest

    Absolutely not.

    For comparable machines (the guts behind the screen) such as The Gateway
    Profile 5 (costs 125 more than iMac) or Sony V310P which costs 50.00
    less but has only a 15 inch screen.

    And, you need a large HD to handle all the MicroSoft security patches,
    the latest being Service Pack 2 at 80 MB. And, the hackers have
    probably already found all its defects.
     
    clw, Sep 16, 2004
  4. Dollar for dollar, I can get more performance out of a Intel box than I
    could out of Mac.
     
    Brian C. Baird, Sep 16, 2004
  5. Not really. It doesn't have a lot of the snazzy accessories that get
    thrown in with the Sony and HP computers.
    Used to be, but isn't any more.
    Nor does it in Windows NT, 2000 or XP.
    No, the problem is they never have managed to overcome the price
    difference due to low production.
     
    Brian C. Baird, Sep 16, 2004
  6. Michael Sacks

    Keith Guest


    Boys with their toys! Is your's really bigger and better that the other
    persons? How clever you are, why not get a life and grow up!

    Another perspective: business is business, Apple are profitable I
    believe, as are MS or course. To get an edge in any market segment it is
    mostly prefable to be slightly different to your main competetors,
    playing 'me too' often isn't a quick route to riches. Indeed downward
    spiral price wars can be very bad for all companies (in any sector).
    This happened recently in the mobile phone sector in Germany I believe.
    Nothing wrong with a company selling kit at a price that sells and keeps
    them in business.

    There isn't really any point of the PC guys (mostly guys), bleating
    about how much bangs per buck Macs deliver, they are not trageting your
    dollars, someone elses. Just be happy with your choice of PC, car,
    cammera, etc, and give up berating people who choose something else.
    think about what you are really saying about yourself and someone who
    chooses differently to you....
     
    Keith, Sep 16, 2004
  7. Michael Sacks

    JK Guest

    You can do even better than an Intel box by using an AMD box.
     
    JK, Sep 16, 2004
  8. I'd forgotten how truly stupid some people are, thanks for the
    reminder...
     
    Scott Richter, Sep 16, 2004
  9. Loser.
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Sep 17, 2004
  10. Michael Sacks

    JK Guest

    LOL! Many financial programs are available only for Windows.
    I use one for which there isn't a Mac version.
     
    JK, Sep 17, 2004
  11. Michael Sacks

    Ron Hunter Guest

    No one is berating Apple/Mac, but it doesn't work the same from the
    other viewpoint.
     
    Ron Hunter, Sep 17, 2004
  12. I guess it sucks to be you.
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Sep 17, 2004
  13. Michael Sacks

    Keith Guest


    Ok, but I was trying to be platform independant in a way. My main point
    is I think it's sily and childish to get worked up about another
    people's choices in life. People are different, have different values
    (and needs of course) and do many things differently to each other. We
    should value diversity I think!
     
    Keith, Sep 17, 2004
  14. Michael Sacks

    Joe Bloggs Guest

    Errr... no. I think he's maybe someone who's had experience of IT in
    the business world? I can't imagine many corporate multi-nationals
    have QuickBooks as the hub of their financial IT infrastructure....

    There is so many specialised HR, payroll, budgeting, consolidation,
    etc. software out there that only runs on Windows, there's no way you
    could currently swap PC's for Mac's in the office - unless the office
    has fairly basic needs that can be fulfilled with the like of MS
    Office for the Mac, or you're happy running slow and costly Windows
    emulation software.

    A shame really, as with the advent of OSX I feel that Macs have really
    come of age from a technical standpoint, and the interface is
    gorgeous, but you do have to be a realist in these situations.
     
    Joe Bloggs, Sep 17, 2004
  15. Michael Sacks

    Ron Hunter Guest

    I agree. It is only when we seek to impress our choices on others, or
    denigrate their choices unfairly that we run into resistance. I don't
    like the way Macs work, the way Apple thinks, or the way Mac users seem
    to feel they are superior. I don't claim the PC is perfect, or that MS
    is the minion of God, or that Windows is without flaws, but it does make
    it easier for ME to use than the rather narrow implementations Apple
    allows, and all this at a lower cost for comparable features.
     
    Ron Hunter, Sep 17, 2004
  16. I have read tests about this, on Windows and Mac platforms.
    If I remember correctly, Windows uses only 50% of the second processor,
    30% of the 3rd and 4th processor.
    Mac OS X has a bit more efficient processor management, and the
    processors are designed to work together. They do so over a dedicated
    memory bus that runs at processor speed. Intel does not have that kind
    of 'inter processor' connection (at least .. at the time of writing of
    that article ... about 1.5 years ago)

    But there is one more thing ... Say the OS 'uses up' 20% of one
    processor, that leaves 80% for the user to use for photoshopping and
    such.
    Now we place a new processor. That would give 80% more processor power,
    so we have 180% processor power (compared to 100% with only one
    processor).
    Of that 180%, the OS still uses the 20% of one processor that we
    mentioned before, because the OS has to do exactly the same ...
    So the user now has 18% - 20% = 160% processor time ... which is twice
    as much as in the 'one processor' scenario.

    I have factored in that the second processor is only used 80% ... and
    sitll the user 'feels' that the computer is twice as fast!

    That is one reason why Benchmark tests are not very representative.
    Other reasons are:
    Each user uses the machine differently. Graphics, Sound, Word procesing,
    etc each require different processors and system architectures. A fast
    processor with a louzy video card might be OK for the word processor,
    but it sucks for the Graphics artist (and gamer)

    Interesting reading:
    http://www.igeek.com/articles/Hardware/MultiProcessing.txt

    That website contains many interesting articles. Maybe a bit Mac biased,
    but this guy knows a lot about Mac, Windows, software and hardware ...

    Wouter
     
    Wouter Wessels, Sep 17, 2004
  17. You are probably right, but what is the operational benefit of an Audi
    over a Toyota?

    The discussion about Mac and Windows (and lately all the different kinds
    of Linux are also claiming their share here) is usually not about
    Operational Benefit, but about user experience.

    User experience implies that each user can have a different experience.
    Some people like one better, others like the other better. It is very
    hard (if not pointless) to have a discussion about the Mac/Windows
    choice ...

    I use both ... Mac at home, Windows at work ... I still perfer Mac over
    Windows, but many people don't ...

    Wouter

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    Wouter F. Wessels
    Gouda, the Netherlands
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    Wouter Wessels, Sep 17, 2004
  18. I think the G5 does need water cooling, otherwise Apple would not have
    put it in.
    But ... since when is it a bad thing that a machine needs water
    cooling?? It works, it cools, it is a fast computer, the owner is hapy
    with it! Who cares if it has water cooling or needs an airco system to
    keep the room at acceptable temperatures??

    Wouter

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    Wouter F. Wessels
    Gouda, the Netherlands
    http://www.wwessels.cistron.nl/picofday.shtml
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    Wouter Wessels, Sep 17, 2004
  19. Absolutely true ...
    But there are two problems with that:

    1) There are companies that track leaks and exploits for Windows, Mac
    OS, Linux and other OSes.
    They find more leaks in Windows, and the leaks take longer to be fixed.

    2) Who cares what happens if Apple were to get a bigger market share??
    They don't! If they ever get a bigger market share, it will be in 5, 10,
    20 years time ... if ever. Why not enjoy the virus-less time while you
    can??

    Wouter



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    Wouter F. Wessels
    Gouda, the Netherlands
    http://www.wwessels.cistron.nl/picofday.shtml
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    Wouter Wessels, Sep 17, 2004
  20. They have been found,
    http://www.internetweek.com/security02/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=158002
    48

    and fixed ...
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nf/20040909/bs_nf/26835
    http://www.osvdb.org/
    You can browse the database and (via vendors) check for flaws in Mac,
    Windows and other OSes

    Please do not talk about things you obviously know nothing about!
    (but that is usually the case in this kind of discussions)

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    Wouter F. Wessels
    Gouda, the Netherlands
    http://www.wwessels.cistron.nl/picofday.shtml
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    Wouter Wessels, Sep 17, 2004
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