A plain vanilla FTTC router.

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Kraftee, Feb 18, 2015.

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    Kraftee Guest

    After my experiences using BTs' Home Hub 5 and having to phone up the (non)
    support desk virtually every other day over the last week (latest one
    arrived and was plugged in at aprox 14:00, went faulty by 23:00, same day)
    does anybody know of any plain vanilla FTTC routers.

    I don't need wifi, got that already covered.

    I don't require a Firewall, I've got that covered also.

    So all I need is a basic unit with a couple (well only one really) of
    ethernet ports, gigabit would be nice but 100base would be more realistic.

    With the HH5 I just turn everything off and make the one connection DMZ, so
    anything more would just be pouring money away.

    Kraftee, Feb 18, 2015
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    Dick Guest

    Billion 8800nl is about the cheapest.
    Dick, Feb 18, 2015
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    Andy Burns Guest

    Why not just use a VDSL modem (surely you can lay your hands on a HG612)
    in bridged mode with PPPoE on your existing firewall?
    Andy Burns, Feb 18, 2015
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    Graham J Guest

    The fact that several devices have failed suggests that there is another
    problem. What you need is a device with some diagnostic capability.

    For example the Vigor 2860 will show you the sync speed, SNR margin, and
    error rate of the VDSL circuit, and is a proper router as well.

    Or the Vigor 120 will show you the VDSL parameters and provide a LAN
    connection to your exisiting Ethernet router, but you have to leave a
    computer conencted directly to it in order to monitor the VDSL parameters.
    Graham J, Feb 18, 2015
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    Graham J Guest

    Sorry - I stand corrected.
    Graham J, Feb 19, 2015
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    Phil W Lee Guest

    And works well.
    Phil W Lee, Feb 19, 2015
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    Kraftee Guest

    I must admit I didn't think about that and lets face it there are lots of
    them laying around not being used as the 3 main players are now supplying,
    what is laughingly called, 'super routers'.

    That's a project I can look into next week. Will still have to keep a HH5
    in reserve for when problems arise (they won't even contemplate a visit on a
    fault if you haven't got the correct kit plugged in, even if you can prove
    the problem using the test gear which 'they' supply (yes I have had that
    experienced, I could test it faulty and they stated it wasn't, only took 2-3
    hours to find and fix the HR, many thanks to an understanding boss).

    I've booked marked the Wordpress web page which appears to be the one to

    Many thanks for showing me the answer, when it was right under my nose, well
    sitting on the shelf ready to be used as an 'emergency' backup for when the
    third HH5 falls over. Don't knock it though it has lasted 24 hours now so
    may just be a good one ;-)
    Kraftee, Feb 20, 2015
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    Kraftee Guest

    The supposed problem with the HH5 (or so I've been told by der management)
    is the construction of the plugin wall wart. Personally I think there may
    (also ?) be a problem with a firmware build as I have noticed the 2 'new'
    ones have a lot more flexibility in configuration than the older one which
    had lasted just short of 12 months, which is a lot better than 9 hours,
    which the first replacement lasted (no I didn't bother to try and compare
    builds, maybe I should have, I know)

    As for diagnostics if you know where to look most can be found if you are
    willing to dig through the clunky web page format and any others I may want
    I can find out (if I was really needing them) by using my trusty JDSU
    Kraftee, Feb 20, 2015
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    Kraftee Guest

    I spent a lot more getting my system running smoothly on the older DSL2,
    which is one of the reasons why I've ended up with the stand alone firewall
    and when I started to build up a large ITunes library I started to use Apple
    Airport system (dual banded of course), using multiple units to get the
    signal around this 3 story concrete construction

    At one stage I had to have a electronic time switch to switch off the router
    every 47 hours and 50 minutes. If I didn't, no matter what router was being
    used, D-Link, Netgear, Linksys, Cisco etc (all paid for out of my own
    pocket) would lock up and require a reboot anyway. I had got to the stage
    where BT was pointing the finger at the ISP and the ISP to BT (oh those were
    the gory days).

    If the kit does the job well and doesn't cause any problems ( no stress no
    agro) a couple of £100s is cheap it's just that I didn't want to buy an
    expensive piece of kit with dual band wifi, IP6, firewall etc etc if I'm
    just going to turn them all off and just use the basic functions.

    But one of the earlier posters has pointed me to a resource which is readily
    available and will slot straight into my existing network for very little
    cost and giving me something to play with during these dark and damp
    Kraftee, Feb 20, 2015
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    Andy Burns Guest

    In preparation for the switch from ADSL to FTTC (soon, no really!) I've
    done the same with my openWRT/cisco8XX combination, should be literally
    a case of unplug the cisco and plug the Huawei (or ECI if that's what
    they have on the van).

    You'll need to tinker with baby-jumbo frames if you want to keep 1500
    byte MTU, the modem should be good for it, depends on your firewall
    allowing it ...
    Andy Burns, Feb 21, 2015
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    grinch Guest

    I have a cisco 867vae directly connected to the VDSL .The room heater
    Huawei that BT supply has been in the loft for over a year and all works
    perfectly.70 meg down 18 up.

    Most modern cisco dsl routers will support VDSL directly. The very
    latest say so on the routers dsl port and have a delightful shade of
    pink collar around the port and a cable to match.

    www.cisco.com for more information
    grinch, Feb 21, 2015
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    Andy Burns Guest

    I rescued the ADSL2 877 (and the ADSL1 837 before it) from going into
    skips, no sign of any VDSL capable cisco heading for the skip though,
    and I'm not going to pay for one ... hence I'll use a modem for a while.
    Andy Burns, Feb 21, 2015
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