A fun game to play with George Preddy

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Lionel, Jan 19, 2004.

  1. First you both said I lied, then it was Carver Mead who was lying, make up
    your mind.

    Who is it, exactly, that is "lying" about Foveon having 10.3M sensors, in
    your mind?
     
    George Preddy, Jan 23, 2004
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  2. No, I said "in that case". You were wrong, as usual.

    Bart
     
    Bart van der Wolf, Jan 23, 2004
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  3. SNIP
    "George", demonstrating his confusion.

    Bart
     
    Bart van der Wolf, Jan 23, 2004
  4. Reading comprehension seems to be a problem for you.
    Try answering the question, for once...

    Bart
     
    Bart van der Wolf, Jan 23, 2004
  5. Since you asked, both.

    Bart
     
    Bart van der Wolf, Jan 23, 2004
  6. How about Phil Askey?
    "With the advent of the SD10 both Sigma and Foveon are taking the (braver
    but) more logical position of using the number 10 million to represent the
    number of photodetectors, I'm sure this decision will be debated ad nauseam
    but it's easy to see their position, in our previous experience the X3
    sensor delivers approximately twice the [ed: black and white] resolution of
    a standard mosaic sensor with the same number of horizontal and vertical
    pixel locations."
    http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sigmasd10/

    He's lying too, right?
     
    George Preddy, Jan 23, 2004
  7. This claim is proof enough you are not.

    Not even near, not even trying to be.
     
    Michael Quack, Jan 23, 2004
  8. Any 4 year old can see in the patent that this is
    not what the nature of the Foveon chip is.

    You have completely lost ground contact.

    Too many drugs, I guess.
     
    Michael Quack, Jan 23, 2004
  9. ....that you don't come evennear a clue what
    interpolation is working like.

    Nor do you seize how inferior the Sigma
    algorithm is. Although anyone can easily see that
    on the heavily defective samples you don't get
    tired to entertain us with.

    You're like the little Bozo just having filled
    his pants, saying "Look ma, no toilet..."
     
    Michael Quack, Jan 23, 2004
  10. No, by video experts of that time.

    Actually color separation due to incapability of
    recording anything but grayscale dates back to
    the 1920ies and autochrome processes.
     
    Michael Quack, Jan 23, 2004
  11. Buy a brain to fill the vacuum in your head and get
    educated. This is factual standard.
     
    Michael Quack, Jan 23, 2004
  12. Its not a claim, it is factual.

    Bayers only capture 1 of 4096 color shades per pixel. Foveon captures 1 of
    68 billion.
     
    George Preddy, Jan 23, 2004
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    George Preddy, Jan 23, 2004
  14. They're not the leading minds in the world any more? What happened, did
    they forget everything? Who at Canon compares to Mead?
     
    George Preddy, Jan 23, 2004
  15. Because it reveals the fraudulent claims and
    statements of both Foveon and Preddy.

    And it reveals why the Foveon/Sigma renders
    such inferior quality.
     
    Michael Quack, Jan 23, 2004
  16. The brothers Lumiere (inventors of machinery to perform
    color separated autochrome plates) are long dead.

    And whoever first implemented their invention into
    a 3 tube video camera (that was before CCDs) simply
    refreshed the original invention with more modern
    means.

    The use of a 3 imager system is not at all such a great
    thing as you want us to believe. Vice versa, it introduces
    a number of extra problems into the system.
    They don't have crooks like him.
     
    Michael Quack, Jan 23, 2004
  17. The addition of YOUR "[ed: black and white]" in a quote, looks like you want
    to put words in his mouth. Besides, you still don't understand that in his
    "previous experience" refers to the difference of a properly applied
    anti-aliasing filter versus the omission of leaving such a filter out,
    trying to fake sharpness.

    Pay attention, "with the same number of (...) pixel locations"!
    He is correct, but 3.4 MP is hardly acceptable for current Bayer CFAs
    anyway,
    as 6MP+ is the norm for DSLRs, and even point and shoots can have 8MP.

    Bart
     
    Bart van der Wolf, Jan 23, 2004
  18. Lionel

    Mark Herring Guest

    Why do you keep arguing with the fool?

    Never try to teach a pig to sing--it wastes your time and annoys the
    pig.........


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    Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
    Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".
     
    Mark Herring, Jan 23, 2004
  19. You seem very frustrated. Obviously the tests are B&W. Surely you don't
    believe a Bayer sensor could produce 50% of Foveon's perfromance in color?
    The 1Ds gets clobbered by the SD9 in color...
    http://www.outbackphoto.com/artofraw/raw_05/essay.html
     
    George Preddy, Jan 23, 2004
  20. You based you whole claim of "lying" on the idea that these pencil sketchs
    were photographs.
     
    George Preddy, Jan 23, 2004
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