A few questions about the MCDST Tests and me.

Discussion in 'MCDST' started by Cruwl, Oct 27, 2006.

  1. Cruwl

    Cruwl Guest

    First a little back ground.
    I have taken Cisco CCNA semesters 1-4 and a MCP class for Windows server
    2000 when i was in high school, that was about 3-4 years ago.
    I never got around to getting certs, money was main issue.
    I am Currently a Help desk analyst For the Navy's network. I have been in my
    current position for just shy of 2 years.
    I trouble shoot hadware from laptops to blackberrys, I trouble shoot
    software from Windows 2000 and XP on a mixed network, and all standard office
    apps and all Navy propriatary softwares.

    i have been studding the Sybex MCDST book at work through our online Ebook
    These sites give me all the text in the books but no CDs, i also have free
    access to the Ebook versions of the MS press book i seee talked about here.

    I want to get my MCDST by Jan as thats when im up for a raise and i see this
    as a good barganing chip.
    Eventually i want to get my MCP, MCDST, MCSA, MCSE and MCDBA.

    K now for my question, how much training do you guys think i would need to
    take the first test the 70-271, i plan to finish they sybex book, but with
    out the CDs i dont really have a valid way to test my knowledge, except the
    10 questionreviews at the end of each chapter, so far ive been scoreing about
    85% on avrg. In your opinions should i just buy the books with the CDs just
    for the training tests?

    Most estimates put self study at 8-10 weeks from what i can see, but with my
    back ground and training do you think that could be cut down to 4weeks? maybe

    My company isnt to help full when it comes for paying for the tests so the
    cash will be out of pocket.
    Cruwl, Oct 27, 2006
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  2. Cruwl

    Cruwl Guest

    So no one has an opinion on this??
    Cruwl, Oct 30, 2006
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  3. Cruwl

    Junk Mail Guest

    I have been using the Microsoft Press training books and took my first test
    after 4 weeks of nightly study. Got a 899. I supplemented any topics not
    known by using Microsoft's Technet website.

    I do not know too much about the Sybex books. I have heard good and bad
    things. It realy depends upon your ability to learn quickly. Also having a
    few pcs to "play" with helps. Both Home and Pro versions, and Workgrouped
    and Domain based. They all cover a good base of material. Taking a few
    MeasureUp exams will help give you a good understanding of what you know and
    don't know. Does the sybex books have self exams? Surely it should. If you
    are experienced you should be able to skim the chapters you are fluent with
    to heart and concentrate on the unknown. There is always a menu option out
    there that no one has used....and Microsoft will test you on that.

    Sounds like you have enough previous experiences. It may just be a matter of
    filling in the cracks of all the little tricks and tips that Microsoft wants
    you to know. Remember above all, if Microsoft says to do it one way, and you
    always do it another, the test will want the Microsoft way.

    If you are interested, Amazon.com has all the Microsoft Press books for a
    decent price( with slight imperfections...) that can be shipped free within
    10 days. I got my last one for $30(list $59.99). It also included a cd that
    had exams from MeasureUp. Big Help! Ok enough preaching...

    Good Luck, hopin to finish the 271 and be MCDST by Christmas too!
    DJ Drew
    Junk Mail, Oct 30, 2006
  4. Cruwl

    Andrew Moore Guest

    Just realized that it posted my name as JunkMail! lol

    Just so everyone sees my name I reposted this.


    Andrew Moore, Oct 30, 2006
  5. It is very difficult to give a time frame or the amount of training you
    need to anyone in newsgroups; despite the info you provided. As an
    instructor, I can evaluate my students first hand and determine if they
    are absorbing and comprehending the information. It has also been my
    experience that some people are test takers and some are not (despite
    doing very well in hands on labs and class assigned projects.) When
    studying for any Microsoft exam, I was various books. I always use
    Microsoft Press material. To be honest, it use to suck badly. But they
    have did a great job in finding mature, experienced authors to correct
    that issue. Another source must be TechNet. If you want to know the
    material, there is no better place than the horse's mouth. It is
    indispensable, and FREE. Other books I use sporadically are Exam Cram 2

    A good piece of advice and I do this all the time is take a couple of
    hours and grab some 70-271 books off the local bookstore shelf and
    browse thru them (by subject. Meaning if you are studying
    "Troubleshooting security settings and local security policy", turn to
    those pages in the books you picked up and see the difference in
    explanation. Never, ever, rely on one book. Always have at least 2; 3 is

    As far as practice tests go, there are tons of them. I have used
    MeasureUp, Transcender, and Self Test Software. All are relatively good.
    I will tell you that throughout all the tests I have taken, the practice
    tests have always been hardier. I have been so surprised walking out of
    a test center with a 800+ score and like 25 to 30 minutes left on a

    Everything you need to know about the contents of this exam can be found
    here: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-271.asp
    Microsoft tells you what you will be tested on. Make sure you feel
    comfortable with all the requirements. When you think you are, look them
    over again. Then it is all cake from there. The next step is to schedule
    your exam. You odds of passing the exam dramatically increase when you
    do this. And yes I was being smart. Many of my students take the class
    but not the exam because they are scared of failing. I have offered many
    of my students a free test if they just schedule it. I would tell them
    that if they failed I would give them the $125 they spent on the test. I
    have been teaching enough that I know what students to do this with and
    who not to :)

    In short, unfortunately only you can answer your question. Follow the
    prescribed requirements list on the Microsoft Learning site that I
    provided. When you feel comfortable, you will know.

    Michael D. Alligood
    Network+, i-Net+, CIW Assoc.,
    CIW Certified Instructor
    Michael D. Alligood, Oct 30, 2006
  6. Cruwl

    Cruwl Guest

    Thanks you 2 for your respsones.
    I ordered the MS press book today for the 271 test.
    Should be here this week.

    I figure with this book, and Cd along with the ebook version of just about
    ever MCDST book ya can think of available i think i will be ready for the
    test by the end of the month.

    Only problem im having right now is getting bored.
    So far the chapters ive read in the Sybex and the MS Press i mostly know it.
    So im just kinda skimming through it picking up and filling the little
    cracks of info i dont know yet.

    I hope once i have the practice tests ill be able to more pinpoint the info
    im missing.

    1 more quest i have, the mesure up test everone talks about is this the one
    included on the MS press book CD?
    Cruwl, Oct 31, 2006
  7. Cruwl

    DD Guest

    My experience has been very different. I have been working as a desktop
    support specialist for the last 18 months and passed both parts of A+ on the
    first try. I then took MCDST (271) using the Microsoft book and practice
    tests and Sybex. I failed the test by 1 or 2 questions. I knew by the 7th or
    8th question that things were not going well. I had at least 10 questions
    that were no where in the MS book that I could find.

    I am getting ready to retake the test in 2 weeks (271) and I am using the MS
    book, Cram Exam and Transcender practice questions. I found Sybex to be the
    least helpful of all the test materials.

    The best advise I have had is from a site out of England concerning +.
    Answer as many practice questions as possible and then read the sections of
    the MS book that explain the answers you miss.

    From the posts I've read, it seems that only the successful people post. I
    have talked to 3 network engineers who all failed their first MS test and all
    3 said its really about learning how to take one of their tests.

    Since I have a Masters degree (in an unrelated field) and had a 4.0 GPA, I
    don't think I have a problem with taking tests, although I am more nervous
    about retaking this test then I have been about any test ever!

    One question I have is; what is the best group for asking questions about
    material I don't understand or principles that were asked on the first test
    that I am unable to find answers to?

    DD, Nov 5, 2006
  8. You can ask them here. Please keep in mind that you did agree to the
    terms and conditions of the test when you took it. Do not post exact
    question that were asked on your exam. Otherwise, ask away. We are here
    to help.

    Michael D. Alligood


    Network+, i-Net+, CIW Assoc.,

    CIW Certified Instructor
    Michael D. Alligood, Nov 5, 2006
  9. Cruwl

    DD Guest

    My first question is: What exactly is Telnet and when would I use it?

    My second question is: No matter how many times I read the explanation,
    something seems to be missing on what the difference is between the Hosts
    file and the LMHosts file. I understand that LMhosts is backwards compatible
    for Windows versions older than 2000 but then I read a Measure up question
    that had both as the answer for a connectivity problem with computers running
    XP in a workgroup and realized that I am totally confused. Now I am beginning
    to think that LMHosts is for network connectivity problems when there is no
    DHCP server and Hosts is for name resolution on a specific computer. I still
    miss questions that ask me to choose between the 2.

    The third question is totally frustrating me because no matter how I ask it,
    it might violate the agreement but for the life of me I cannot find the
    answer and from the answers given, it could have been one of 2. Any
    DD, Nov 7, 2006
  10. Telnet is a command prompt type of connection to a remote system. It could
    be a Cisco router, a Linux server or something else. Windows Server has a
    telnet server also, but I cannot say that I have ever used it for anything
    meaningful. Telnet is also great to "call" BBSes, but that is not going to
    help your cert.

    Jonathan Roberts, Nov 7, 2006
  11. Telnet... Wow, I have not thought about that protocol in awhile. Telnet
    is a protocol that allows you to log in remote devices such as a router
    or another pc; more so with routers nowadays, but even that is being
    phased out. It is assigned port number 23 (I would remember that if I
    were you).

    The LMHOSTS file is one method of name resolution for NetBIOS name
    resolution for TCP/IP networks. The LMHOSTS file provides a NetBIOS name
    resolution method that can be used for small networks that do not use a
    WINS server. The HOST file in short answer is like an address book. When
    you type an address like www.yahoo.com into your browser, the Hosts file
    is consulted to see if you have the IP address, or "telephone number,"
    for that site. If you do, then your computer will "call it" and the site
    will open. If not, your computer will ask your ISP's (internet service
    provider) computer for the phone number before it can "call" that site.
    Most of the time, you do not have addresses in your "address book,"
    because you have not put any there. Therefore, most of the time your
    computer asks for the IP address from your ISP to find sites. Because of
    the trillions of websites on the internet, HOST files are not a concern.
    DNS is the preferred name resolution method.

    As for your third question, you can post practice test question all day
    long here. Just not actual exam questions. If it is something you saw on
    the actual exam, try to put it in a different scenario, reword it. You
    can give an example without violating your terms and conditions.

    Michael D. Alligood,
    Network+, i-Net+, CIW Assoc.,
    CIW Certified Instructor

    Michael D. Alligood, Nov 7, 2006
  12. Cruwl

    DD Guest

    Thanks for the explanation of LMHosts and Hosts, now I understand. I hope
    others benefit from some of these questions because I seem to have an endless
    My next questions are: how many ports do I need to know (this is not covered
    in the Microsoft book). From practice questions and your response:
    Remote Desktop - port 3389
    Incoming Network Traffic - Port 445
    Telnet - Port 23

    I am also confused by a practice question. I work for ABC Corp. IE 6 is my
    default browser. A file server names FS1 on the local Intranet contains file
    named help.doc in a folder named Techdocs. When I attempt to open the doc by
    entering file://FS1.abc.local/techdocs/help.doc in the address line of my
    browser, I receive an error in MS Word cannot open the document due to
    potential security problems.

    It isn't the answer that confuses me, it's the situation. I don't know what
    they mean by a file server on the local Intranet. I'm thinking the local
    Intanet would be on a local server and doc files would be loaded to the

    Thanks for your help.

    DD, Nov 8, 2006
  13. Cruwl

    DD Guest

    Does anyone have any answers?

    DD, Nov 11, 2006
  14. An Intranet is nothing more than your private network. Read
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intranet. The file could reside on one of
    your local servers that is in your intranet. Do not think of your
    intranet as one device or hardware itself, think of it as a concept with

    Michael D. Alligood,
    Network+, i-Net+, CIW Assoc.,
    CIW Certified Instructor
    Michael D. Alligood, Nov 11, 2006
  15. Cruwl

    DD Guest

    Thank you.

    DD, Nov 12, 2006
  16. You are welcome.

    Michael D. Alligood,
    Network+, i-Net+, CIW Assoc.,
    CIW Certified Instructor
    Michael D. Alligood, Nov 12, 2006
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