[QUOTE="bod43"] The quoted flash requirements now include the flash needed for the web gui interface thingy. [/QUOTE] As I recall, the .tar.gz one gets has the .bin and separate files for the web stuff. Does this mean that I need to unpack it on a computer, repack it without the web files and then get the router to load that smaller .tar.gz ? [QUOTE] c870-advipservicesk9-mz.124-15.T7.bin the image is 18950320 bytes.[/QUOTE] 16459360 c870-advsecurityk9-mz.124-15.T9.bin So it is almost 19nmegs versus 16.5 megs. Do routers require any flash space at run time ? [QUOTE] As mentioned, if you can't understand the feature navigator then you need to hire someone who does. Or maybe consider a simpler product that may perhaps be designed for consumer use.[/QUOTE] This isn't about product complexity. It ia about Cisco business practices. And now, i have to figure out how to obtain that "upgrade" assuming it is reasonably priced.