80% of SPAM is now from Windows Zombie PCs....

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by steve, Jun 9, 2004.

  1. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    Let's not forget we aren't talking about someone like me, we are talking
    about Joe Blogs off the street. Even if computer resellers wanted to ship a
    different OS to Joe they couldn't.
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    No they could, its just that the consumer didn't want the alternative,
    and lets face it,3-5 years ago linux was no where near something you
    would give to a joe bloggs who could barely type their name in, and even
    now it would not be my first choice.
     
    whoisthis, Jun 14, 2004
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  2. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    Dick Smith Electronics...YES.
     
    whoisthis, Jun 14, 2004
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  3. Only applies to Windows license resellers
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 15, 2004
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  4. No, it depends on how their business was structured. If their income came
    in from other ways, then they could afford to run a small Linux reselling
    business. This is after all how we get many of the distros that are on
    the market today - someone will have set themselves up to copy and sell
    disks for a small fee.
    No, neither is MS. Both have market dominance but not a monopoly.
    MS didn't have and doesn't have a monopoly. They do have market
    dominance, but they don't have a monopoly. All through that time, Linux
    and Mac computers were freely available.
    Harvey Normans and Big Byte, among other places, sell Macintoshes. Why
    aren't people buying them?

    If you wanted to buy a Maytag washing machine, for a long time only a few
    small dealers had them. Even today you can only buy them from Noel
    Leemings and a few other minor retailers that don't sell F&P whiteware.
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 15, 2004
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  5. steve

    geoffm Guest

    But as you keep telling us, M$ isn't a monopoly, as there is Linux...
     
    geoffm, Jun 15, 2004
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  6. steve

    Divine Guest

    It would be my first choice - because they'd be less likely to trash a
    default install of Mandrake 10 than they would be to trash a default
    install of Windows.


    Divine
     
    Divine, Jun 15, 2004
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  7. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    Mine was Mac OSX, run it on 3 machines at home, one running OSX server,
    work brilliantly.
     
    whoisthis, Jun 15, 2004
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  8. steve

    Divine Guest

    I'm running Unix on one box, Mandrake on two boxen, Smoothwall on another,
    and Windows on the fifth.

    All work flawlessly - except the Windows box.


    Divine
     
    Divine, Jun 15, 2004
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  9. Loaded answer. Define "flawlessly". Which version of Windows are you
    running.
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 16, 2004
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  10. Unix... and you agreed to the licience?
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Jun 17, 2004
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  11. steve

    Divine Guest

    FreeBSD.

    What's wrong with the licence?


    Divine
     
    Divine, Jun 17, 2004
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  12. steve

    Allistar Guest

    How many sellers of hardware do you know that don't also sell Microsoft
    Windows licenses?

    Allistar.
     
    Allistar, Jun 18, 2004
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  13. steve

    Allistar Guest

    Just because there is an alternative doesn't mean they are not a monopoly.

    Allistar.
     
    Allistar, Jun 18, 2004
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  14. steve

    Allistar Guest

    Now, yes. (I was referring to before Microsoft were slapped over the wrist
    with a wet bus ticket as a result of the anti-trust trials). Now things are
    better.

    Allistar.
     
    Allistar, Jun 18, 2004
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  15. steve

    Allistar Guest

    I think you are missing the point. Do you deny that hardware vendors were
    prevented (either by licencing or bullying tactics) from pre-loading
    competing operating systems when selling new computers?
    And you really believe that?

    http://www.swlearning.com/economics/policy_debates/microsoft.html
    http://news.com.com/2100-1040-232565.html?legacy=cnet
    They have been found in a court of law of having and maintaing position that
    mopolises a particular market - they were found to be a monopoly.

    The Macintosh is not in the same market at Microsofts operating systems
    (that is they don't provide an operating system for x86 computers).

    Linux (and other x86 operating systems) were prevented from being installed
    and sold on computers supplied for vendors that also sold Microsoft Windows
    licenses. I can post reference if you like. You you deny this was the case?
    Probably because they are too expensive. And people are buying them. Also
    because through the illegal (as found in court) anti-competitive practices
    of Microsoft people tend to be "locked in" to Microsoft products.
    I don't see how that is relevant.

    Allistar.
     
    Allistar, Jun 18, 2004
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  16. steve

    Divine Guest

    It's true. I have seen plenty enough Mac laptops to know that Micro$oft
    doesn't have a "monopoly" in the laptop market.

    What I have yet to see, however, is a laptop running Linux.


    Divine
     
    Divine, Jun 18, 2004
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  17. steve

    Divine Guest

    MacOS operates on intel hardware.

    The Macintosh hardware platform is a-changin'.


    Divine
     
    Divine, Jun 18, 2004
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  18. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    whoisthis, Jun 18, 2004
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  19. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    And so is linux. 5-6 years ago linux sucked except for geeks. If you
    want to start going on about how good linux is TODAY then make all of
    your comparisons TODAY. Even back 4-5 years or so it was possible to
    source a PC with no OS installed, it just may not have been the brand
    you wanted to buy.
     
    whoisthis, Jun 18, 2004
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  20. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    The term mono means ONE
     
    whoisthis, Jun 18, 2004
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