80% of SPAM is now from Windows Zombie PCs....

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by steve, Jun 9, 2004.

  1. steve

    whoisthis Guest


    Umm, if you actually read what I said you would see that I said Dick
    Smith DO SELL PCs with LINUX onboard.

    There are choices.
     
    whoisthis, Jun 11, 2004
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  2. steve

    Divine Guest

    That is not called "capitalism" - it's called "opportunism".


    Divine
     
    Divine, Jun 11, 2004
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  3. steve

    whoisthis Guest


    maybe, but it only under capitalisim that real opportunism can exist.
     
    whoisthis, Jun 12, 2004
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  4. steve

    Max Burke Guest

    whoisthis scribbled:
    And only under capitalism can you be sued by others for spotting the
    oportunities that those others failed to take advantage of.
     
    Max Burke, Jun 12, 2004
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  5. Some clones of the Apple ][ were made (remember the Dick Smith Cat?),
    some of them were sued out of business (Franklin)

    IBM didn't willingly allow it at first - Compaq and others had to clean
    room engineer their BIOSes to avoid the IBM copyrights.

    Apple licensed the Mac design for competing manufacture, but when the
    monopolist Steve Jobs got back to the helm, he killed off all the clones
    - a stupid move IMO.
    Plus their proprietary bus (PS/2)
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 12, 2004
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  6. Yes that is true, I thought you were making an issue of the fact that DSE
    only sells one linux system and virtually none of the large chains sell
    Linux systems.
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 12, 2004
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  7. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    No, just agreeing with you that consumers do have choices.
     
    whoisthis, Jun 12, 2004
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  8. steve

    brundlefly Guest

    Its improving all the time
    I note that Noel Leemings are selling Xandros 2.0 and Dick Smith
    Electronics are selling the Asterisk PC Reviver, their thin client
    terminal server IDE solid state disk
     
    brundlefly, Jun 12, 2004
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  9. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    Its improving all the time
    I note that Noel Leemings are selling Xandros 2.0 and Dick Smith
    Electronics are selling the Asterisk PC Reviver, their thin client
    terminal server IDE solid state disk
    [/QUOTE]

    Improving...no not really, the good old days (late 70's early 80's) were
    the real good days with hundreds of competing hardware/software
    compnaies, those are the days of real inovation.
     
    whoisthis, Jun 12, 2004
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  10. steve

    Divine Guest

    Says who?


    Divine
     
    Divine, Jun 12, 2004
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  11. Says real life experience
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 12, 2004
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  12. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    Guess anyone who has looked at how poorly people do under other regiemes
     
    whoisthis, Jun 12, 2004
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  13. steve

    Peter B Guest

    Actually, IBM owned the DOS (called PCDOS); it later sold the rights
    to M$
     
    Peter B, Jun 13, 2004
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  14. steve

    Allistar Guest

    Are you forgetting that Microsoft (a convicted monopolist by the way)
    illegally used it's dominant market position in many ways. One of which was
    to prevent hardware companies from installing anything but what Microsoft
    said they could install.

    - this practice was found to be illegal.
    - they can no longer do it, which is why we are only now starting to see
    Linux as a choice on x86 PC's.
    - it is primarily this illegal practice that has prevented competitors from
    entering the market.

    This "choice" that consumers are said to had didn't exist in this market
    space until recently.

    Sure, I could always format the hard disk and install Linux on it, but not
    without first paying for a Windows license I wasn't going to use. How is
    that a choice?

    Allistar.
     
    Allistar, Jun 13, 2004
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  15. Not true at all. Microsoft bought the Dos off SCP, and licensed it to
    IBM, retaining the rights to sell it separately as MSDOS.

    PCDOS still exists as a separate product, although of course it is no
    longer sold with new Windows PCs.
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 13, 2004
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  16. Only those who chose to sign up to the Microsoft licenses.
    Actually it's quite legal in NZ. For example Fisher and Paykel licenses
    their dealers to sell only F&P whiteware, no competing brands.
    Only because no one could be bothered.
    It's always been possible to buy PC hardware without Windows installed.
    What rot.
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 13, 2004
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  17. I thought they stopped selling them?
    They at least don't know what it is here in Dunedin.
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Jun 13, 2004
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  18. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    Because for years you could always buy a box, a mother board, etc etc
    etc and build your own. There have also been compnaies around in NZ for
    years who would do that for you if you did not have the skills yourself.
     
    whoisthis, Jun 14, 2004
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  19. steve

    Allistar Guest

    Let's not forget we aren't talking about someone like me, we are talking
    about Joe Blogs off the street. Even if computer resellers wanted to ship a
    different OS to Joe they couldn't.

    Allistar.
     
    Allistar, Jun 14, 2004
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  20. steve

    Allistar Guest

    But not to would be commercial suicide for such companies. From their point
    of view they had no choice - and Microsoft knew it.
    Is F&P a monopoly in their market?
    The whole point of my previous post is that this wasn't about people not
    being bothered - it was about a aompany abusing it's monopoly to prevent
    this choice from being presented to consumers.
    From the types of places Ma and Pa go to buy PC's? Noel Leamings? Bond and
    Bond? Harvey Norman? No.

    Allistar.
     
    Allistar, Jun 14, 2004
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