80% of SPAM is now from Windows Zombie PCs....

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by steve, Jun 9, 2004.

  1. steve

    steve Guest

    They don't know how to remove Windows or install Linux......*especially*
    the sort of people who own Windows PCs being used as zombies by by
    spammers.

    These people don't appear to make informed choices.
     
    steve, Jun 10, 2004
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  2. steve

    steve Guest

    In my world, people like yourself who depart from the verifiable facts
    and resist correction are liars.

    Not knowing the facts, you mistake the truth for "opinion".

    It's understandable.....but yourignorance should not be mistaken for the
    truth by yourself or anyone else.
    The IBM PC came out 23 years ago.
     
    steve, Jun 10, 2004
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  3. steve

    steve Guest

    Each platform has its innovators. On Windows, it's really up to
    Microsoft and no one else......which is a shame.

    On Linux / Unix / open source, there certainly ARE world-beating
    innovators. Here are a couple of exmaples:

    BIND

    Apache

    Both cutting edge. Both highly innovative.

    Both open source.

    Both better and more secure than proprietary options from major
    closed-source vendors.

    As for Microsoft......they bought Word from someone else. The bought
    Excel from someone else.

    Their primary focus for innovation seems to be finding ways to lock you
    in and milk your wallet for cash.
     
    steve, Jun 10, 2004
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  4. Triangle TV in AKL last night showed McLaughlin One on One
    with the American version of David Russell (Consumers' Inst.)
    Subject: Spam
    FCC boss admitted spam could be a strategic hazard on the 'net
    Direct Marketing Assn guy tried to make a case that only scams,
    Nigerian frauds, ripoffs, dud Viagra, & most stuff from outside
    USA was spam. He thought "targeted" UCE aiming products to
    probable clients was OK

    Brightmail guy bravely asserted they had nothing to do with
    promoting spam so they could sell their filters...

    Nobody in 30 minutes talking heads mentioned zombie relays...
     
    J.Random Luser, Jun 11, 2004
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  5. Why should they?

    The best innovation in Office for years was separate windows for
    documents. A tab bar is just a second taskbar inside your application.
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 11, 2004
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  6. No YOU are the liar.

    People can buy Windows, Mac or Linux or whatever., There is plenty of
    choice available.

    The Greens just love to lie about how people are "forced" to do this or
    that. Forced to shop at the Warehouse, forced to buy MS software, forced
    to eat junk food. All a load of rubbish.
    Why don't people buy it?
    You're a greenie and you're pushing this nonsense that people are dumb
    lemmings just because they don't listen to your ideology.
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 11, 2004
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  7. According to you they have to have Linux rammed down their throats.
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 11, 2004
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  8. Of course, YOU decide what are "verifiable facts" and "correction". This
    enables you to call people liars when they are not.
    People chose to buy it. It wasn't particularly innovative but they did.
    Microsoft didn't own the designs, or the Apple ][ ones either.

    Your "facts" are no more than opinion and wishful thinking.
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 11, 2004
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  9. steve

    steve Guest

    You don't get it, do you......

    The FACTS decide, provided they are correct and can be verified.

    That you don't verify them leaves you thinking that whoever DOES is
    trying to impose their "opinion" on you.

    I'm inviting you to stop talking shit and check your facts - for once.

    Then you'll see that no one can impose their view on you....because you
    will be a person of KNOWLEDGE.....rather than OPINION.

    Do you know the diference between KNOWLEDGE and OPINION?

    It appears you do not.
    Microsoft owned the DOS that ran on the IBMPC.
    That you say that demonstrates clearly you never verify anything.
     
    steve, Jun 11, 2004
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  10. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    That is where you are so wrong, they ARE making an informed choice, they
    are choosing a platform they are familar with, one where if they have
    problems they know a lot of people who can help them, the one their
    neighbour uses and they use at work. They are choosing a platform where
    they see on the shelf lots of applications, games, etc and that those
    same shops are able to help them.

    I can choose to take a PAL TV set to the USA, however I will have to
    accept it will not work there even though the quality etc is better than
    NTSC. I can of course with my own PAL video play as many PAL tapes as I
    care to on my TV in the USA, I just have to accept my other choices are
    limited.
     
    whoisthis, Jun 11, 2004
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  11. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    Well a quick look at Dick Smith shows me Cat No. XC3394, this can come
    with linux if you choose. DSE is a fairly large retail outlet.


    They do, and in increasing numbers. I own 5 myself. Best of all worlds,
    I get to run the likes of Word, Poerpoint, excel, photoshop,
    filemakerpro, macromedia suite 2004MX as well as gimp, fink, apache,
    squid, xwin, etc, all at the same time with no rebooting into another
    OS. Hell with virtual PC I can run all the wintel stuff too.
     
    whoisthis, Jun 11, 2004
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  12. steve

    bAZZ Guest

    How many times are you going to have this argument Patrick ???
    FFS I would imagine by now that it is a given that the "average Joe " in
    the street does not have a choice. How many even know linux even exists
    let alone where to get it etc etc. All my kids at school do NOT have a
    choice as to what software they are taught to use. WIndows windows
    windows. No other. So when they leave school what do they do ? Go to
    Lemmings etc and buy a windows box. Do sales droids say hey why not buy
    a box and put linux on it ? Get real. Have you seen all the TV, SKY and
    even at movies Microsoft advertising ? Havn't ever seen an alternative
    have you ?????

    Go down any street in your town and pick a random house and go give the
    owner 2000 dollars and tell them to head off to town and get the best PC
    they can and these are sensible adults who can make informed decisons on
    what car, coffee, lounge suite, formica, lawnmower to buy etc. Bet you
    they would nearly ALL come back with a wintel box. It's a given.

    So why waste time having the same old arguments week in week out. You
    and Divine should be locked in a room together to argue and reduce the
    traffic here about OS is better yours.LOL.

    bAZZ
     
    bAZZ, Jun 11, 2004
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  13. steve

    Vogan Guest

    How many times are you going to have this argument Patrick ???

    Fine then maybe the open source community chould have a quick whip round to
    sponsor some adverts for the various flavours of Linux. Marketing is a
    powerful tool and Microsoft choose to use this. It is similar to VHS vs
    Betamax, LS-120 vs Zip etc, the company with the biggest marketing budget
    wins out in the end. I personally are of the opinion that there is really
    only room for one major player in the OS market, a lot to time and resources
    would be wasted by software companies writing software to cover 10 different
    OS's. However, I have reasons at the moment for not using Linux but I will
    probably use it in the near future.

    As for the virus writers, they aim for maximum damage so why not exploit the
    most popular OS, even if it is made by a large monolopistic (spelling?)
    company. I am sure that if Linux was the most popular OS then we would see
    a lot of viruses and secuirty exploits for that.

    Cheers
    Vaughan
     
    Vogan, Jun 11, 2004
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  14. steve

    whoisthis Guest

    My kids learn about Macs at home, mind you they also get to play on my
    TRS-80 now and again too :)
    Not me, I'd buy a Mac.
     
    whoisthis, Jun 11, 2004
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  15. So DSE does not sell Linux. Noel Leemings do not sell Fisher and Paykel
    whiteware. Go to another retailer. The mac ones only sell macs for
    example.
    Yes people do choose the mac. A couple of people in the family own them,
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 11, 2004
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  16. There is no such given. It is of course a doctrine of the hate-MS brigade
    that such a thing must be true.

    I have not seen any Windows advertising except in PC magazines.

    You have a choice of what school to send your kids to. Some use Macs that
    I know of for example.

    If Linux suppliers choose not to advertise that is their business. I
    don't see many Mac ads either.
    That's free choice.
    I don't have an entrenched "Windows is better than Linux" type of
    viewpoint. What I do have a viewpoint on is the anti-MS brigade, who use
    various bandwagons of less than adequate veracity to support their
    tiresome campaigns.
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 11, 2004
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  17. I suggest you take your own advice. What you claim as "facts" are not.
    They do not stand up.
    So? MS made software that ran on all sorts of platforms. The Apple II,
    Mac, TRS80, Commodore, PC and all sorts of things had MS software on
    them.

    MS doesn't own the PC architecture.
    I do. Unlike you I don't come in with a preconception and then conform
    everything to it. Your left worldview means you have to conform
    everything to socialist rhetoric.
     
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 11, 2004
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  18. steve

    Ryan Jacobs Guest

     
    Ryan Jacobs, Jun 11, 2004
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  19. steve

    Ryan Jacobs Guest

    Indeed. A fact conveniently overlooked by the anti Microsoft brigade.
    Interestingly, there are an increasing amount of Linux based exploits coming
    forward over the last few years. Do we hear about them? No! Why? Cause many
    Linux boxes are "owned" but some of the Linux faithful are too ignorant to
    accept that this may even be a possibility.

    RJ out.
     
    Ryan Jacobs, Jun 11, 2004
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  20. steve

    Ryan Jacobs Guest

    You are both missing the point I think. Apple was totally to blame on this
    one. There were 2 major players at that time - IBM & Apple (note: I am
    referring to hardware - software is irrelevant). IBM allowed others to
    create "clones" of their hardware platform (hence the term - IBM clone was
    borne). Apple refused others to clone their hardware platform and Apple has
    never fully recovered (ironically, if they had, they may have been today's
    "Microsoft").

    IBM then also made a serious miscalculation. They cut ties with (the then
    tiny) Microsoft giving preference to their own in house OS (which was meant
    to monopolise the market). The rest is history..... Apple screwed up, IBM
    screwed up, Microsoft took advantage. That's called capitalism - if you
    don't like it - move to China!

    RJ out.
     
    Ryan Jacobs, Jun 11, 2004
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