70-297 Fail

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by Chris M, Nov 19, 2008.

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    Chris M Guest

    Took 297 today... failed with 601 :-(

    Horrible exam, very little time to spare on each case study... finished
    with seconds to spare on one of them!

    Back to the books then. Any advice on good techniques for this beast of
    an exam?
    Chris M, Nov 19, 2008
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    Pete Jones Guest

    I did 298, which follows the same format. I enjoyed it, because it is a good
    reflection of what I encounter when working. I am given a brief, and have to
    make technical recommendations based on the information there.

    Really it is a case of knowing the information well, and being able to pick
    out the relevant points. Things like "some clients are still running Windows
    95/98", or "we have some legacy applications running on an NT4 server", tell
    you that you can't use specific methods, and will have to use (usually) less
    secure ones. If you recommend the more secure, but incompatible ones, some
    clients will not be able to connect, and in the exam as in life, that is an
    epic fail on your part.

    I think the best thing you can do is try and learn all the pitfalls, caveats
    and gotchas when designing AD in relation to NT and 2000, Domain and Forest
    functional levels and FSMO roles.

    Give it a week or so of cramming all that in your head and try again.

    BTW, you did Second Shot, right?
    Pete Jones, Nov 20, 2008
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    Montreal_MCT Guest

    I have walked out of exams having passed and called them horrible... but
    never one that I failed... that just makes you sound like a sore loser. The
    design exams ARE beasts (I plan to take one next week and am not looking
    forward to it) but then, if they were easy NOBODY would respect the

    Good luck on your rewrite!

    Montreal_MCT, Nov 20, 2008
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    Pete Jones Guest

    I'm thinking it was the format of the exam which he found horrible. Most
    people will take the exams in some order similar to the layout on the site,
    Client first, Core next, Elective and finally Design. The only exams I know
    that have the testlet format are 297, 298 and 285.

    If you are expecting the usual c. 50 questions in c. 2 hours, and instead
    get the testlet format, I think that would throw most people off.

    But I enjoy those ones, they feel the most like "real life"* and similar to
    what I deal with at work. Maybe if you are geared up for the testlets and
    know what to expect with them they are more fun than if they are sprung on
    you unannounced.
    Pete Jones
    MCSE:Security, MCSE:Messaging

    *Definition of "real life" not binding on this or any other planet, your
    experience may vary.
    Pete Jones, Nov 20, 2008
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    Montreal_MCT Guest

    Good point :) -M

    Mitch Garvis
    Microsoft MVP: Essential Server Solutions

    Montreal_MCT, Nov 21, 2008
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    chrismckeo Guest

    Yeah, it was more the format of the exam that I found rather unnerving
    - and I'm more used to finishing an exam with 30+ minutes to spare.
    During most of the 297 exam I found myself feeling pressured for time
    which in turn made me feel like I wasn't reading the information as
    thoroughly as I should be.

    I wasn't too impressed with the MS Press book for 297 either, and even
    less impressed with the practice exam on the CD-ROM - full of bugs and
    typos on the questions. I think I'll toss that book and get a new one
    before retaking.

    Thanks for the replies, it's always good to get a different
    perspective, it helps you look at your situation from the outside.
    chrismckeo, Nov 21, 2008
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    chrismckeo Guest

    Oh, and I did use second shot, but I used it on my previous exam (294)
    which I passed. When booking 297 the second shot voucher would only
    give me a discount, not another second shot. I guess that I'll get
    another second shot when booking my next exam (seems like a way of
    maximising revenue from exam retakes).

    chrismckeo, Nov 21, 2008
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    Pete Jones Guest

    The point of the time restriction on this one seems to be to push you into
    skimming the brief and seeing if you spot the relevant parts whilst
    discarding the useless information.

    I usually read all the questions first, make a few notes on what is needed,
    then skim the whole brief, note some more things and re-read the parts I
    think are relevant.
    Pete Jones, Nov 21, 2008
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    joppan Guest

    go for sadikhov.com and take the exam,well i have a 2003 server and xp
    virtual machines will i b able to do exercise mentioned in MS pres ttaig
    kit,exepcitng a relpy


    Joe Joseph,MCSE,CCNA
    joppan, Nov 21, 2008
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    catwalker63 Guest

    My biggest issue with the Design exam was the lack of a potty break. Made
    the final leg of the exam very uncomfortable. <sigh>
    catwalker63, Nov 24, 2008
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    Pete Jones Guest

    Not to sound like my mother (and probably yours as well) but..."you should
    have gone before you started, I've told you hundreds of times that <snip>"
    Pete Jones, Nov 25, 2008
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    Pete Jones Guest

    You need to get a new second shot voucher number for each exam you are taking.

    One for 290, another for 291, a third one for 294 etc.

    And you can't combine the 25% discount with the free re-take. You have to
    make a choice between the two.

    Myself, I prefer the re-take to the discount. It's like the choice of
    backups or a cheaper server. Work in IT long enough, you learn the importance
    of backups, even if it costs a little more.
    Pete Jones, Nov 25, 2008
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    Chris M Guest

    I wasn't aware of that, thanks Peter. I thought that once you had used
    the voucher on an exam and passed it, you had to then use the discount
    for the next exam before getting a new second shot voucher. Serves me
    right for not reading it fully!
    Chris M, Nov 26, 2008
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    catwalker63 Guest

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    prattled ceaselessly in

    I did. This is a very long exam, remember.
    catwalker63, Dec 1, 2008
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