Xtra's spam filters borked ???

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by whoisthis, Jul 25, 2004.

  1. whoisthis

    whoisthis Guest

    I am now getting 6-10 pieces of spam a day through xtra.

    What has happened, is brightmail no longer doing their spam filtering or
    are they now just so overloaded with spam they can no longer cope ?

    xtra used to be pretty damned good, now the are simply average as far as
    I can tell.
    whoisthis, Jul 25, 2004
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  2. whoisthis

    PC Guest

    "whoisthis" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I am now getting 6-10 pieces of spam a day through xtra.
    >
    > What has happened, is brightmail no longer doing their spam filtering or
    > are they now just so overloaded with spam they can no longer cope ?
    >
    > xtra used to be pretty damned good, now the are simply average as far as
    > I can tell.


    Same experience here, averaging 50% of spam not identified.

    Paul
    PC, Jul 25, 2004
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  3. PC wrote:
    >>xtra used to be pretty damned good, now the are simply average as far as
    >>I can tell.


    > Same experience here, averaging 50% of spam not identified.


    it's a "free" service... 50% aint bad :)
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Jul 25, 2004
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  4. whoisthis

    Ralph Fox Guest

    In article <>,
    on Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:36:46 +1200, whoisthis wrote:

    > I am now getting 6-10 pieces of spam a day through xtra.
    >
    > What has happened, is brightmail no longer doing their spam filtering or
    > are they now just so overloaded with spam they can no longer cope ?
    >
    > xtra used to be pretty damned good, now the are simply average as far as
    > I can tell.



    I have been seeing the same thing, starting on or around Wednesday 21st.

    It had been catching over 95% of spam for a month or more, and letting
    through less than 5%. It is now catching an average of around 55%, and
    letting through around 45%.


    FYI, there is a thread in nz.general on the same topic ...

    | Subject: xtra's spam program
    | From: "geopelia"
    | Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:25:41 +1200
    | Newsgroups: nz.general
    | Message-ID: <05XLc.3643$>


    --
    Cheers,
    Ralph

    Change is inevitable. Progress is optional.
    Ralph Fox, Jul 25, 2004
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  5. whoisthis

    Paul Guest

    Get Spampal. Its free and it works.

    Has a whitelist so ppl u know can still send email

    And a blacklist so u can blacklist 1/4, 1/2 of the
    world. And blacklist entire ISPS for spamming.

    It can also use wildcards (*@isp) so ISPS you
    know that dont spam can still send emails to you.

    The same goes for adding ISPS to the blacklist
    Just type in *@isp and it blocks emails from
    any person that originates from that ISP.

    I use it it's great! Saves paying for it or getting it
    for free when it doesnt even work!


    "Ralph Fox" <-echo.invalid> wrote in
    message news:...
    > In article <>,
    > on Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:36:46 +1200, whoisthis wrote:
    >
    > > I am now getting 6-10 pieces of spam a day through xtra.
    > >
    > > What has happened, is brightmail no longer doing their spam filtering or
    > > are they now just so overloaded with spam they can no longer cope ?
    > >
    > > xtra used to be pretty damned good, now the are simply average as far as
    > > I can tell.

    >
    >
    > I have been seeing the same thing, starting on or around Wednesday 21st.
    >
    > It had been catching over 95% of spam for a month or more, and letting
    > through less than 5%. It is now catching an average of around 55%, and
    > letting through around 45%.
    >
    >
    > FYI, there is a thread in nz.general on the same topic ...
    >
    > | Subject: xtra's spam program
    > | From: "geopelia"
    > | Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:25:41 +1200
    > | Newsgroups: nz.general
    > | Message-ID: <05XLc.3643$>
    >
    >
    > --
    > Cheers,
    > Ralph
    >
    > Change is inevitable. Progress is optional.
    >
    Paul, Jul 26, 2004
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  6. whoisthis

    whoisthis Guest

    In article <ce2d7t$ij5$>, "Paul" <>
    wrote:

    > Get Spampal. Its free and it works.


    so what, that means I have to download the spam to my machine, that
    means it comes off my adsl datacap....useless.


    >
    > I use it it's great! Saves paying for it or getting it
    > for free when it doesnt even work!


    I prefer the ISP to do the filtering so I do not have to pay for it and
    I do not have to use my datacap limits to download rubbish. That is why
    spam is bad, the end user pays to recieve it.
    whoisthis, Jul 26, 2004
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  7. whoisthis

    Paul Guest

    Well thats the good thing about spampal. It deletes it from the server
    before you even see it. It checks against
    the blacklist. If the ISP is blacklisted, it deletes
    every single email originating from that ISP.

    Thats if u make a message rule to delete it from the
    server. Which is a piece of cake.

    BUT if you prefer the odd bit of spam, be my guest!


    "whoisthis" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <ce2d7t$ij5$>, "Paul" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > Get Spampal. Its free and it works.

    >
    > so what, that means I have to download the spam to my machine, that
    > means it comes off my adsl datacap....useless.
    >
    >
    > >
    > > I use it it's great! Saves paying for it or getting it
    > > for free when it doesnt even work!

    >
    > I prefer the ISP to do the filtering so I do not have to pay for it and
    > I do not have to use my datacap limits to download rubbish. That is why
    > spam is bad, the end user pays to recieve it.
    Paul, Jul 27, 2004
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  8. whoisthis

    Warwick Guest

    On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:01:20 +1200, whoisthis wrote:

    > In article <ce2d7t$ij5$>, "Paul" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Get Spampal. Its free and it works.

    >
    > so what, that means I have to download the spam to my machine, that
    > means it comes off my adsl datacap....useless.
    >
    >
    >>
    >> I use it it's great! Saves paying for it or getting it
    >> for free when it doesnt even work!

    >
    > I prefer the ISP to do the filtering so I do not have to pay for it and
    > I do not have to use my datacap limits to download rubbish. That is why
    > spam is bad, the end user pays to recieve it.


    But xtra simply mark it as spam and onward deliver it anyway. There is no
    saving in bandwidth.

    From a design point of view the filter should be on the end users machine.
    While it is at the ISP it creates a bottleneck, and they have the onus of
    20+ employess to manage it.
    Warwick, Jul 27, 2004
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  9. In article <u1nhjbhj3i5h$>,
    Warwick <> wrote:

    > >
    > > I prefer the ISP to do the filtering so I do not have to pay for it and
    > > I do not have to use my datacap limits to download rubbish. That is why
    > > spam is bad, the end user pays to recieve it.

    >
    > But xtra simply mark it as spam and onward deliver it anyway. There is no
    > saving in bandwidth.


    Well bugger, have I been doing it wrong for months..... go and read
    about it, there are 3 options
    a) Mark it as spam
    b) Shift it into a spam folder (that you access with the webmail
    access)
    c) Delete it.

    >
    > From a design point of view the filter should be on the end users machine.
    > While it is at the ISP it creates a bottleneck, and they have the onus of
    > 20+ employess to manage it.


    Well from a cost point of view its cheaper to delete it. AOL are
    deleting over 1 billion spams a day, think of how many terrabytes of
    storage that is and has to be backed up etc.
    Dont want spam, Jul 27, 2004
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  10. Warwick wrote:
    > While it is at the ISP it creates a bottleneck, and they have the onus of
    > 20+ employess to manage it.


    20+ employees?
    which ISP?
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Jul 27, 2004
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  11. whoisthis

    Warwick Guest

    On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:45:16 +1200, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:

    > Warwick wrote:
    >> While it is at the ISP it creates a bottleneck, and they have the onus of
    >> 20+ employess to manage it.

    >
    > 20+ employees?
    > which ISP?


    xtra, I saw it on tv several months ago when they were answering complaints
    about the bottleneck.

    I stand corrected re downloading it. It has been sometime since I was an
    xtra customer, but I was one when they introduced the system. At the time I
    dont recall any options, they just added [spam] to the header and sent it
    through anyway.

    Nice if they could delete it, but the odds of them making a mistake are too
    high. Emailed passwords are detected as spam for instance.
    Warwick, Jul 27, 2004
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  12. I've used it since October whenever it was last year, and I've received
    maybe 1 spam a day since. Last week when this issues arrose and the
    anti-spam curlled up and died, I was getting 25 emails a day at least that I
    forgot I was getting in the way of junk.

    I sent them an email a few dasy ago just before they corrected it, (proberly
    along with thausands of others), that when u went to change the anti-spam
    options via their website email gateway, the option had reverted back to
    makr spam as [spam], and those who had it set to delete had it changed
    without notice back to [spam] and showing up in the inbox.

    When u went to change back to delete, there was some IMAP internal error
    message coming up on the xtramail website, so something definately went
    bung. Otherwise it's fixed again now, but I've set it to mark it as [spam]
    again and put a filter in my email programme to send it to my own trash bin
    automatically, along with with a few anatomy names in subject lines.

    Gavin.
    "Warwick" <> wrote in message
    news:qb5g0a6hzhlh$...
    > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:45:16 +1200, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
    >
    > > Warwick wrote:
    > >> While it is at the ISP it creates a bottleneck, and they have the onus

    of
    > >> 20+ employess to manage it.

    > >
    > > 20+ employees?
    > > which ISP?

    >
    > xtra, I saw it on tv several months ago when they were answering

    complaints
    > about the bottleneck.
    >
    > I stand corrected re downloading it. It has been sometime since I was an
    > xtra customer, but I was one when they introduced the system. At the time

    I
    > dont recall any options, they just added [spam] to the header and sent it
    > through anyway.
    >
    > Nice if they could delete it, but the odds of them making a mistake are

    too
    > high. Emailed passwords are detected as spam for instance.
    Gavin Stephens, Jul 27, 2004
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  13. In article <qb5g0a6hzhlh$>,
    Warwick <> wrote:


    > I stand corrected re downloading it. It has been sometime since I was an
    > xtra customer, but I was one when they introduced the system. At the time I
    > dont recall any options, they just added [spam] to the header and sent it
    > through anyway.


    well the option was ALWAYs there, I have been a customer for years and
    changed the option to what suited me on the day it was announced.

    >
    > Nice if they could delete it, but the odds of them making a mistake are too
    > high. Emailed passwords are detected as spam for instance.


    Odds are very low, I ran it check and just putting them in a spam folder
    for 6 months and had ZERO false positives
    Dont want spam, Jul 28, 2004
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