[Xtra] Reporting spam

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Ralph Fox, Feb 7, 2004.

  1. Ralph Fox

    Ralph Fox Guest

    Does reporting spam to Xtra actually have any effect?

    I have been getting half a dozen spams touting "Suepr Viigara" [sic]
    or other deliberate misspellings, every day for the past month.
    I've forwarded almost every one of them to the Xtra spamreport
    address, yet Xtra still seem no nearer being able to filter them.
    More curious, as I have a simple filter in my e-mail client which
    catches every one of them and has had no false positives to date.

    Am I just wasting my time?


    --
    Cheers,
    Ralph

    Politics is the art of getting power and
    privilege without possessing merit.
    Ralph Fox, Feb 7, 2004
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  2. Ralph Fox wrote:
    > Does reporting spam to Xtra actually have any effect?
    >
    > I have been getting half a dozen spams touting "Suepr Viigara" [sic]
    > or other deliberate misspellings, every day for the past month.
    > I've forwarded almost every one of them to the Xtra spamreport
    > address, yet Xtra still seem no nearer being able to filter them.
    > More curious, as I have a simple filter in my e-mail client which
    > catches every one of them and has had no false positives to date.
    >
    > Am I just wasting my time?


    I guess you're forwarding the spam back to
    spamreportATxtraDOTcoDOTnewzealand??
    I think it always works for me, but hard to know without requesting the same
    spammer to deliver twice :)

    Russell
    Russell Smithies, Feb 7, 2004
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  3. Ralph Fox

    Howard Guest

    Russell Smithies wrote:

    > spamreportATxtraDOTcoDOTnewzealand??


    Wounldn't that address be a good one to leave in _non_-obfuscated form?

    A spambot picking it up would be a good thing, wounldn't it?
    Howard, Feb 8, 2004
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  4. Howard wrote:
    > Russell Smithies wrote:
    >
    >> spamreportATxtraDOTcoDOTnewzealand??

    >
    > Wounldn't that address be a good one to leave in _non_-obfuscated
    > form?
    >
    > A spambot picking it up would be a good thing, wounldn't it?


    good point


    Russell Smithies, Feb 8, 2004
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  5. Ralph Fox

    Enkidu Guest

    On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:16:52 +1300, "Russell Smithies"
    <> wrote:

    >Howard wrote:
    >> Russell Smithies wrote:
    >>
    >>> spamreportATxtraDOTcoDOTnewzealand??

    >>
    >> Wounldn't that address be a good one to leave in _non_-obfuscated
    >> form?
    >>
    >> A spambot picking it up would be a good thing, wounldn't it?

    >
    >good point
    >
    >spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
    >spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
    >

    I don't think that's a good idea. You were right the first time. That
    address would be pretty useless if it was being spammed silly,
    wouldn't it?

    Cheers,

    Cliff
    --

    I think that Don Brash is a Labour mole.
    That would explain everything.
    Enkidu, Feb 8, 2004
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  6. Ralph Fox

    Ralph Fox Guest

    On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:47:10 +1300, in article
    <zn3Vb.36868$>, Russell Smithies wrote:

    > Ralph Fox wrote:
    > > Does reporting spam to Xtra actually have any effect?
    > >
    > > I have been getting half a dozen spams touting "Suepr Viigara" [sic]
    > > or other deliberate misspellings, every day for the past month.
    > > I've forwarded almost every one of them to the Xtra spamreport
    > > address, yet Xtra still seem no nearer being able to filter them.
    > > More curious, as I have a simple filter in my e-mail client which
    > > catches every one of them and has had no false positives to date.
    > >
    > > Am I just wasting my time?

    >
    > I guess you're forwarding the spam back to
    > spamreportATxtraDOTcoDOTnewzealand??


    I am indeed.

    > I think it always works for me, but hard to know without requesting the same
    > spammer to deliver twice :)


    It hasn't made a dent on this particular spamhouse's spam.

    It would indicate that this spamhouse has found a way around
    the Brightmail spam filtering engine.



    --
    Cheers,
    Ralph

    "A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine."
    Ralph Fox, Feb 8, 2004
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  7. On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:24:47 +1300, Enkidu wrote:

    >>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
    >>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
    >>

    > I don't think that's a good idea. You were right the first time. That
    > address would be pretty useless if it was being spammed silly,
    > wouldn't it?


    It's not a valid address anyway. The RFCs specify abuse@ for such things.

    I forsee Xtra again finding their way into widespread Blacklists.
    Uncle StoatWarbler, Feb 8, 2004
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  8. On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:09:07 +0000, Ralph Fox wrote:

    > It hasn't made a dent on this particular spamhouse's spam.
    >
    > It would indicate that this spamhouse has found a way around
    > the Brightmail spam filtering engine.


    Ralph,

    Please do us all a favour: Post everything you have on the spammer to
    news.admin.net-abuse.email, including your experiences with Xtra.

    The results will be worthwhile.
    Uncle StoatWarbler, Feb 8, 2004
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  9. Ralph Fox

    Enkidu Guest

    On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:15:38 +0000, Uncle StoatWarbler
    <> wrote:

    >On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:24:47 +1300, Enkidu wrote:
    >
    >>>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
    >>>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
    >>>

    >> I don't think that's a good idea. You were right the first time. That
    >> address would be pretty useless if it was being spammed silly,
    >> wouldn't it?

    >
    >It's not a valid address anyway. The RFCs specify abuse@ for such things.
    >
    >I forsee Xtra again finding their way into widespread Blacklists.
    >

    Heh! Maybe but lots of places just devnull the abuse@ emails. They are
    a favourite target of SPAMmers. Real abuse reports actually go to
    another address.

    Cheers,

    Cliff
    --

    I think that Don Brash is a Labour mole.
    That would explain everything.
    Enkidu, Feb 9, 2004
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  10. Ralph Fox

    Ralph Fox Guest

    On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:15:38 +0000, in article
    <>, Uncle StoatWarbler wrote:

    > On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:24:47 +1300, Enkidu wrote:
    >
    > >>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
    > >>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
    > >>

    > > I don't think that's a good idea. You were right the first time. That
    > > address would be pretty useless if it was being spammed silly,
    > > wouldn't it?

    >
    > It's not a valid address anyway.


    The mail doesn't bounce.

    > The RFCs specify abuse@ for such things.


    No, the RFCs specify abuse@ for other things.
    The address abuse@xtra would be for sending complaints about spam
    originating from inside Xtra's network (i.e. abuse _BY_ xtra customers).

    The spamreport@xtra address is for sending examples of spam received
    by Xtra customers. Almost all of this spam originates from outside Xtra.

    The only case where both addresses would apply is when an Xtra customer
    was spamming Xtra customers.


    > I forsee Xtra again finding their way into widespread Blacklists.


    Why?

    Do the maintainers of these blacklists not understand the difference
    between spam coming into Xtra's network from outside, and spam
    originating from inside Xtra's network?


    --
    Cheers,
    Ralph

    How To Ask Questions The Smart Way: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before
    Ralph Fox, Feb 9, 2004
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  11. Ralph Fox

    Ralph Fox Guest

    On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 19:30:37 +0000, in article
    <>, Uncle StoatWarbler wrote:

    > Ralph,
    >
    > Please do us all a favour: Post everything you have on the spammer to
    > news.admin.net-abuse.email,


    That might be worthwhile.


    > including your experiences with Xtra.


    That won't be useful to news.admin.net-abuse.email.

    The spam does not originate from within Xtra.

    FYI Xtra run spam filters on incoming email delivered to
    Xtra customers, including email originating from outside
    Xtra's network. The email spam I was referring to,
    originates from outside Xtra's network.

    news.admin.net-abuse.email may be interested in the spam itself.

    Many ISPs do not filter incoming spam at all.
    I don't see that nanae would worry more about an ISP whose incoming
    filters were only 85% effective, over other ISPs which have no filters
    on incoming email at all.

    > The results will be worthwhile.



    --
    Cheers,
    Ralph

    Politics is the art of getting power and
    privilege without possessing merit.
    Ralph Fox, Feb 9, 2004
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