xtra closing newsgroups.

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  1. Geopelia

    Geopelia Guest

    Is the message in many newsgroups that xtra is closing down their newsgroup
    service just a hoax?
     
    Geopelia, Apr 27, 2006
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    Noel Paton Guest

    Noel Paton, Apr 27, 2006
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  3. Geopelia rambled on in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:

    > Is the message in many newsgroups that xtra is closing down their
    > newsgroup service just a hoax?
    >
    >
    >


    Why not ask them?

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    well.-George Carlin
     
    The Old Sourdough, Apr 27, 2006
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  4. Geopelia

    Whiskers Guest

    On 2006-04-27, Geopelia <> wrote:
    > Is the message in many newsgroups that xtra is closing down their newsgroup
    > service just a hoax?


    Perhaps you should ask xtra?

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    Whiskers, Apr 27, 2006
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  5. Geopelia

    Mara Guest

    On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:15:31 -0500, The Old Sourdough <> wrote:

    >Geopelia rambled on in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
    >
    >> Is the message in many newsgroups that xtra is closing down their
    >> newsgroup service just a hoax?
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >Why not ask them?



    Why is it that the original posts have disappeared? Here's another bit: "Just
    saw this as a post to nz.comp - presumably only visible to Xtra users of
    their nntp server: "

    I can see nz.comp just fine at google. And it was posted to some *non-nz* groups
    as well. Why?

    From the headers of the *original* poster:
    -------------------------------------------
    NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.27.185.139
    -------------------------------------------
    Approved:
    Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:41:09 GMT
    Followup-To: poster
    From: "Xtra Help" <>
    Lines: 18
    Message-ID: <pA_3g.229$>
    NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:41:09 NZST
    NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.27.185.139
    -------------------------------------------

    From a http://xtra.co.nz/help lookup:

    --- 04/27/06 09:58:47 Central Daylight Time
    --- IP lookup on http://xtra.co.nz/help
    --- resolving host "xtra.co.nz", please wait...

    xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.102]
    ------------------------------------------

    "I'd be asking Xtra directly, since this HIGHLY questionable at best."

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    The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in
    the lie. One word of truth outweighs the world.
    -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
     
    Mara, Apr 27, 2006
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  6. Mara wrote:

    > Why is it that the original posts have disappeared? Here's another bit: "Just
    > saw this as a post to nz.comp - presumably only visible to Xtra users of
    > their nntp server: "
    >
    > I can see nz.comp just fine at google. And it was posted to some *non-nz* groups
    > as well. Why?
    >
    > From the headers of the *original* poster:
    > -------------------------------------------
    > NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.27.185.139
    > -------------------------------------------
    > Approved:

    ^^^^^^^^
    For this group?

    <snip>


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    Blinky the Shark, Apr 27, 2006
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  7. Geopelia

    Mara Guest

    On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:08:23 -0700, Blinky the Shark <>
    wrote:

    >Mara wrote:
    >
    >> Why is it that the original posts have disappeared? Here's another bit: "Just
    >> saw this as a post to nz.comp - presumably only visible to Xtra users of
    >> their nntp server: "
    >>
    >> I can see nz.comp just fine at google. And it was posted to some *non-nz* groups
    >> as well. Why?
    >>
    >> From the headers of the *original* poster:
    >> -------------------------------------------
    >> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.27.185.139
    >> -------------------------------------------
    >> Approved:

    > ^^^^^^^^
    >For this group?


    I got lucky and found *one* set of headers someone else had posted from the
    original. Here they are:

    Approved:
    Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:41:09 GMT
    Followup-To: poster
    From: "Xtra Help" <>
    Lines: 18
    Message-ID: <pA_3g.229$>
    NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:41:09 NZST
    NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.27.185.139
    Newsgroups:
    news.software.readers,nl.naturisme,nz.arts,nz.comp,nz.general,nz.net.admin,nz.net.announce,nz.politics,nz.politics.announce,xtra.notgroup
    Organization: Xtra
    Path: news.xtra.co.nz!53ab2750!not-for-mail
    Subject: Closure of complimentary Xtra Usenet newsgroup service
    X-Complaints-To:
    X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1146123669 202.27.185.139 (Thu, 27 Apr 2006
    19:41:09 NZST)
    Xref: news.xtra.co.nz news.software.readers:165493
    nl.naturisme:55556 nz.arts:2929 nz.comp:331861 nz.general:795329
    nz.net.admin:2326 nz.net.announce:348 nz.politics:518194
    nz.politics.announce:13710
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/plain
    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    I don't see anything that convinces me that these *aren't* totally forged. And a
    helluva lot that *does.*

    "But, stupid people are everywhere. It could happen."


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    the lie. One word of truth outweighs the world.
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    Mara, Apr 27, 2006
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  8. Geopelia

    Geopelia Guest

    Thanks to all who said "Ask xtra"

    I tried to, last night. Broadband customers had a 30 minute wait, they said,
    no time given for dail up customers!
    Everybody must have been trying to get through. You would think if it was a
    hoax, they would say so along with their recorded "network line problems"
    news.

    The general opinion here (New Zealand) seems to be "Dump xtra". I'll wait to
    see if it is a hoax.

    One thing's for sure, if I had had shares in Telecom (xtra's parent) I'd
    have sold the lot this morning. I wonder if this is just the writing on the
    wall.

    Geopelia
     
    Geopelia, Apr 28, 2006
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  9. Geopelia

    Kiwi Guest

    On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:08:33 +1200, "Geopelia" <>
    wrote:

    >Thanks to all who said "Ask xtra"
    >
    >I tried to, last night. Broadband customers had a 30 minute wait, they said,
    >no time given for dail up customers!
    >Everybody must have been trying to get through. You would think if it was a
    >hoax, they would say so along with their recorded "network line problems"
    >news.
    >
    >The general opinion here (New Zealand) seems to be "Dump xtra". I'll wait to
    >see if it is a hoax.
    >
    >One thing's for sure, if I had had shares in Telecom (xtra's parent) I'd
    >have sold the lot this morning. I wonder if this is just the writing on the
    >wall.
    >
    >Geopelia
    >


    I spoke to Xtra's Complex Technical Support team on 0800 116 110
    option 2 (part of their business services). After grudgingly admitting
    to the existence of newsgroups they conceded that yes, they were going
    to be shutting them down.
    Other posts in other groups have now confirmed similar conversations
    with other parts of Telecom's 'help' service.
    Nothing on their website yet. Surprise, surprise.
    E-mail if you want to make your views known.
    E-mail the IT editor at any newspaper if you want your views known to
    more than a dustbin.

    Kiwi
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    Kiwi, Apr 28, 2006
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  10. Geopelia

    Whiskers Guest

    On 2006-04-28, Geopelia <> wrote:
    > Thanks to all who said "Ask xtra"
    >
    > I tried to, last night. Broadband customers had a 30 minute wait, they said,
    > no time given for dail up customers!
    > Everybody must have been trying to get through. You would think if it was a
    > hoax, they would say so along with their recorded "network line problems"
    > news.
    >
    > The general opinion here (New Zealand) seems to be "Dump xtra". I'll wait to
    > see if it is a hoax.
    >
    > One thing's for sure, if I had had shares in Telecom (xtra's parent) I'd
    > have sold the lot this morning. I wonder if this is just the writing on the
    > wall.
    >
    > Geopelia


    There seems to be a spate of ISPs around the world ending their in-house
    news-server provision and either out-sourcing to specialist providers, or
    ceasing provision entirely.

    Fortunately there are still public news-servers that can be used
    independently of any ISP. The one I use charges 10 Euros a year (text
    groups only) <http://www.individual.net/>.

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    Whiskers, Apr 28, 2006
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