xtra 2mb login issues

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Starkey, Jun 20, 2005.

  1. Starkey

    Starkey Guest

    Anyone having login issues this morning, all of a sudden i cant login
    getting username /domain failure.

    weird
     
    Starkey, Jun 20, 2005
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  2. Starkey

    Tony Guest

    On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:29:26 +1200, Starkey <> wrote:

    >Anyone having login issues this morning, all of a sudden i cant login
    >getting username /domain failure.
    >
    >weird





    Major outage all over the Country was on the News.
     
    Tony, Jun 20, 2005
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  3. Starkey

    Starkey Guest

    On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:17:50 +1200, Tony
    <> wrote:

    >On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:29:26 +1200, Starkey <> wrote:
    >
    >>Anyone having login issues this morning, all of a sudden i cant login
    >>getting username /domain failure.
    >>
    >>weird

    >
    >
    >
    >
    >Major outage all over the Country was on the News.
    >

    ouch, thought so even 123 doesnt work
     
    Starkey, Jun 20, 2005
    #3
  4. Hi there,

    Starkey wrote:
    > On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:17:50 +1200, Tony
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:29:26 +1200, Starkey <> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Anyone having login issues this morning, all of a sudden i cant login
    >>>getting username /domain failure.
    >>>
    >>>weird

    >>
    >>Major outage all over the Country was on the News.
    >>

    >
    > ouch, thought so even 123 doesnt work


    123 doesn't work even in normal conditions! :)

    But its weird here too, as I've had refused connections from
    news servers and pop servers for almost the first time ever.

    I wonder if its the uber-virus kicking in and taking over the
    internet?

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    Chris Wilkinson, Jun 20, 2005
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  5. Starkey

    Richard Guest


    > 123 doesn't work even in normal conditions! :)


    If you think telecom is bad, try calling telstra clear on there 0151 number, and
    to make matters worse it costs to call that from a mobile!

    > But its weird here too, as I've had refused connections from
    > news servers and pop servers for almost the first time ever.
    >
    > I wonder if its the uber-virus kicking in and taking over the
    > internet?
    >

    My orcon UBS is working great for a change, torrents humming along at 26k/sec
    and browsing is responsive...
     
    Richard, Jun 20, 2005
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  6. Starkey

    jedmeister Guest

    "Starkey" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Anyone having login issues this morning, all of a sudden i cant login
    > getting username /domain failure.
    >
    > weird


    I heard some workmen cut a cable in Taupo and most of the north island is
    affected.

    How can Telecom allow their network to be disrupted so easily? Have they
    heard of redundancy? Why don't they switch comms to their redundant system?

    Maybe the root cause is allowing accountants to 'design' the network.
     
    jedmeister, Jun 20, 2005
    #6
  7. jedmeister wrote:
    > "Starkey" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >>Anyone having login issues this morning, all of a sudden i cant login
    >>getting username /domain failure.
    >>
    >>weird

    >
    >
    > I heard some workmen cut a cable in Taupo and most of the north island is
    > affected.
    >
    > How can Telecom allow their network to be disrupted so easily? Have they
    > heard of redundancy? Why don't they switch comms to their redundant system?


    They have a redundant ring, but both of them were cut simultaneously in
    unrelated incidents.

    http://xtramsn.co.nz/business/0,,5085-4491078,00.html

    I'm a bit surprised that so many critical things went down, like the
    NZSE: would have thought there would be satellite backup.

    Vodafone's network kept going no worries, I used GPRS...

    Aaron
     
    Aaron Lawrence, Jun 20, 2005
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  8. Starkey

    Mercury Guest

    I don't believe that anyone cut any cables, that this answer is being given
    as its mildly plausible.

    How many cables would they have to cut to achieve that level of outage?

    The impact is massive. An enquiry should be kicked off to find out what the
    real cause was, what can be done to prevent it, identity the contributing
    causes and ensure it does not happen again.

    The impact is easy to forecast but hard to appreciate - ever business almost
    in the country running in varying degrees of degredation - countless small,
    medium, and large businesses without EftPos for a starter. This equates to
    100% loss of revenue & for companies selling perishables this is not just
    loss of revenue, but loss of goods too (often).

    Lets hope complacency does not allow this to just pass by.

    The country as a whole needs an SLA with telco's.




    "jedmeister" <> wrote in message
    news:B3pte.8594$...
    >
    > "Starkey" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Anyone having login issues this morning, all of a sudden i cant login
    >> getting username /domain failure.
    >>
    >> weird

    >
    > I heard some workmen cut a cable in Taupo and most of the north island is
    > affected.
    >
    > How can Telecom allow their network to be disrupted so easily? Have they
    > heard of redundancy? Why don't they switch comms to their redundant
    > system?
    >
    > Maybe the root cause is allowing accountants to 'design' the network.
    >
    >
     
    Mercury, Jun 20, 2005
    #8
  9. Starkey

    Rob J Guest

    In article <B3pte.8594$> in nz.comp on Mon, 20
    Jun 2005 13:35:38 +1200, jedmeister <> says...
    >
    > "Starkey" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Anyone having login issues this morning, all of a sudden i cant login
    > > getting username /domain failure.
    > >
    > > weird

    >
    > I heard some workmen cut a cable in Taupo and most of the north island is
    > affected.
    >
    > How can Telecom allow their network to be disrupted so easily? Have they
    > heard of redundancy? Why don't they switch comms to their redundant system?


    It was actually cut in TWO places hundreds of kilometres apart.

    One in Wairarapa and one in Taranaki.
     
    Rob J, Jun 21, 2005
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  10. "Rob J" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <B3pte.8594$> in nz.comp on Mon, 20
    > Jun 2005 13:35:38 +1200, jedmeister <> says...
    >>
    >> "Starkey" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > Anyone having login issues this morning, all of a sudden i cant login
    >> > getting username /domain failure.
    >> >
    >> > weird

    >>
    >> I heard some workmen cut a cable in Taupo and most of the north island is
    >> affected.
    >>
    >> How can Telecom allow their network to be disrupted so easily? Have they
    >> heard of redundancy? Why don't they switch comms to their redundant
    >> system?

    >
    > It was actually cut in TWO places hundreds of kilometres apart.
    >
    > One in Wairarapa and one in Taranaki.
    >


    Yes, I agree this was an unlucky situation. But, surely they should still
    have the option of satellite routing?
     
    news.xtra.co.nz, Jun 21, 2005
    #10
  11. Starkey

    Mark Guest

    "news.xtra.co.nz" <> wrote in message
    news:3C%te.9234$...
    > "Rob J" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > In article <B3pte.8594$> in nz.comp on Mon, 20
    > > Jun 2005 13:35:38 +1200, jedmeister <> says...
    > >>
    > >> "Starkey" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >> > Anyone having login issues this morning, all of a sudden i cant login
    > >> > getting username /domain failure.
    > >> >
    > >> > weird
    > >>
    > >> I heard some workmen cut a cable in Taupo and most of the north island

    is
    > >> affected.
    > >>
    > >> How can Telecom allow their network to be disrupted so easily? Have

    they
    > >> heard of redundancy? Why don't they switch comms to their redundant
    > >> system?

    > >
    > > It was actually cut in TWO places hundreds of kilometres apart.
    > >
    > > One in Wairarapa and one in Taranaki.
    > >

    >
    > Yes, I agree this was an unlucky situation. But, surely they should still
    > have the option of satellite routing?
    >
    >


    Comon people... do you think they run the main trunks through taranaki and
    the wairarapa?

    Telecom provides ADSL network for practically everybody, but my DSL never
    went down. I could ping Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, offshore etc.

    People in Auckland lost connections, how on earth does a cable in the
    Wairarapa affect Aucklanders.

    Read between the lines... authentication problems ;) sounds like someones
    server bit the big one to me.
     
    Mark, Jun 22, 2005
    #11
  12. Starkey

    Tim Guest

    The whole thing smells.

    In The Press they went so far as to hint that rats may have chewed one of
    the cables. Yeah, sure.

    We now have another article indicating that *businesses* should think more
    about these kinds of outages. Why? Why should a small business have to get
    an iridium phone just 'cos the telco's don't bother to implement resilient
    networks? Why should that be Joe Dairy Owners problem?

    As for the electricity supply, we all know whats wrong there too. NIMBY &
    Profits = Lack of effective goverment.

    I couldn't get an IP and Jetsteam connection all day. Most people around
    here could not ring anywhere. EftPos was out. Shops shut except for cash /
    credit.

    The fellow in the press said it was "Complex". I don't think so. It is quite
    fundamental. You could take that smart arse kid off the T3G adds and have
    him repeatedly saying "Where's your redundancy in your network now?", "Why
    can't I connect, you promised" etc.

    Bloody simple really, but then we all know why it has happened don't we?

    - Tim





    "Mark" <> wrote in message
    news:42b8aeb6$0$91617$...
    > "news.xtra.co.nz" <> wrote in message
    > news:3C%te.9234$...
    >> "Rob J" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > In article <B3pte.8594$> in nz.comp on Mon,
    >> > 20
    >> > Jun 2005 13:35:38 +1200, jedmeister <> says...
    >> >>
    >> >> "Starkey" <> wrote in message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >> > Anyone having login issues this morning, all of a sudden i cant
    >> >> > login
    >> >> > getting username /domain failure.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > weird
    >> >>
    >> >> I heard some workmen cut a cable in Taupo and most of the north island

    > is
    >> >> affected.
    >> >>
    >> >> How can Telecom allow their network to be disrupted so easily? Have

    > they
    >> >> heard of redundancy? Why don't they switch comms to their redundant
    >> >> system?
    >> >
    >> > It was actually cut in TWO places hundreds of kilometres apart.
    >> >
    >> > One in Wairarapa and one in Taranaki.
    >> >

    >>
    >> Yes, I agree this was an unlucky situation. But, surely they should
    >> still
    >> have the option of satellite routing?
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Comon people... do you think they run the main trunks through taranaki and
    > the wairarapa?
    >
    > Telecom provides ADSL network for practically everybody, but my DSL never
    > went down. I could ping Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, offshore etc.
    >
    > People in Auckland lost connections, how on earth does a cable in the
    > Wairarapa affect Aucklanders.
    >
    > Read between the lines... authentication problems ;) sounds like someones
    > server bit the big one to me.
    >
    >
     
    Tim, Jun 22, 2005
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  13. Starkey

    PAM. Guest

    PAM., Jun 22, 2005
    #13
  14. Starkey

    BTMO Guest

    "Tim" <> wrote

    > In The Press they went so far as to hint that rats may have chewed one of
    > the cables. Yeah, sure.


    I didn't know rats ate fibre optic cable...
     
    BTMO, Jun 22, 2005
    #14
  15. Starkey

    BTMO Guest

    "PAM." <> wrote

    >> In The Press they went so far as to hint that rats may have chewed one of
    >> the cables. Yeah, sure.

    >
    > Must be true
    >
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4114556.stm


    When I worked at Telecom, the edict came down from on high that only urgent
    work would be carried out on network sites (ie, exchanges) as a money saver.

    Little things like maintaining the roofs, ferreting out rats, etc were
    deemed to be non-urgent....

    Maybe this is one of the side effects of that money saving?
     
    BTMO, Jun 22, 2005
    #15
  16. Starkey

    Richard Guest

    BTMO wrote:
    > "Tim" <> wrote
    >
    >
    >>In The Press they went so far as to hint that rats may have chewed one of
    >>the cables. Yeah, sure.

    >
    >
    > I didn't know rats ate fibre optic cable...


    well they love the newer softer TPS insulation on mains cables. I have had to
    replace heaps in the roofspace from when the rats got up there and were nibbling.

    The older stuff with the tougher insulation was relitivly uneffected, you could
    see teeth marks in places, but it wasnt even thru the white outer insulation.
     
    Richard, Jun 22, 2005
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  17. Starkey

    BTMO Guest

    "Richard" <> wrote

    >> I didn't know rats ate fibre optic cable...

    >
    > well they love the newer softer TPS insulation on mains cables. I have had
    > to replace heaps in the roofspace from when the rats got up there and were
    > nibbling.
    >
    > The older stuff with the tougher insulation was relitivly uneffected, you
    > could see teeth marks in places, but it wasnt even thru the white outer
    > insulation.


    TPS is *very* different to fibre optic - not the least for... TPS shorts out
    when it has been chewed.

    Rats would have to gnaw though bundles of *glass* that doesn't pass a
    current (just light) - simply to get at more glass.

    Different beast entirely.

    Besides, they lace cable with poisons / repellants...
     
    BTMO, Jun 22, 2005
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  18. Starkey

    Mercury Guest

    > Besides, they lace cable with poisons / repellants...

    That is such an obvious thing to do to stop such a common problem that I
    assumed that it was done. I'd be more inclined to think the rats had two
    legs and ate off a plate - if there were any.
     
    Mercury, Jun 22, 2005
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  19. Starkey

    shannon Guest

    Rob J wrote:

    > In article <B3pte.8594$> in nz.comp on Mon, 20
    > Jun 2005 13:35:38 +1200, jedmeister <> says...
    >
    >>"Starkey" <> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>
    >>>Anyone having login issues this morning, all of a sudden i cant login
    >>>getting username /domain failure.
    >>>
    >>>weird

    >>
    >>I heard some workmen cut a cable in Taupo and most of the north island is
    >>affected.
    >>
    >>How can Telecom allow their network to be disrupted so easily? Have they
    >>heard of redundancy? Why don't they switch comms to their redundant system?

    >
    >
    > It was actually cut in TWO places hundreds of kilometres apart.
    >
    > One in Wairarapa and one in Taranaki.
    >


    It would be very intersting to learn how long they were really running
    on their backup before the second failure. ;-)
     
    shannon, Jun 22, 2005
    #19
  20. On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:39:13 +1200, "Mercury" <> wrote:

    >> Besides, they lace cable with poisons / repellants...

    >
    >That is such an obvious thing to do to stop such a common problem that I
    >assumed that it was done. I'd be more inclined to think the rats had two
    >legs and ate off a plate - if there were any.
    >


    like all chemical compounds these poisons/repellants are likely to
    break down in the enviroment and become less effective over time
    unless enclosed in some way

    some types of rat poison do not have immediate effect but are slow
    acting over a period of days rather than hours and as such would not
    stop a cable being damaged
     
    FreedomChooser, Jun 29, 2005
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