XP 64Bit installation USB devices

Discussion in 'Windows 64bit' started by umwhat, Jun 21, 2008.

  1. umwhat

    umwhat Guest

    Will XP 64Bit Edition install onto a USB connected Sata2 harddrive? XP Home
    Editon will already be installed onto a motherboard connected Sata harddrive.
    The bios has boot from USB devices settings.


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    umwhat, Jun 21, 2008
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  2. Other than Embedded editions no other Windows version has support for
    installation on USB devices, it is not a supported installation. If you
    search the net you will find some information from some folks who have
    toyed with this and who claim to have gotten it to work, but you will
    also find lots of reports of failure, bugs, and unstable installations.
    Most who try eventually abandon the project because the results are
    usually unstable Windows installations.

    John

    umwhat wrote:

    > Will XP 64Bit Edition install onto a USB connected Sata2 harddrive? XP Home
    > Editon will already be installed onto a motherboard connected Sata harddrive.
    > The bios has boot from USB devices settings.
    >
    >
     
    John John (MVP), Jun 21, 2008
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  3. umwhat

    umwhat Guest

    I thought that to be the case but having seen the "Boot from USB" option in
    the bios I asked the question.

    >If you search the net you will find some information from some folks who have
    > toyed with this and who claim to have gotten it to work, but you will
    > also find lots of reports of failure, bugs, and unstable installations.


    ...yes...later it conks out.


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    "John John (MVP)" wrote:

    > Other than Embedded editions no other Windows version has support for
    > installation on USB devices, it is not a supported installation.
    > Most who try eventually abandon the project because the results are
    > usually unstable Windows installations.
    >
    > John
    >
    > umwhat wrote:
    >
    > > Will XP 64Bit Edition install onto a USB connected Sata2 harddrive? XP Home
    > > Editon will already be installed onto a motherboard connected Sata harddrive.
    > > The bios has boot from USB devices settings.
    > >
    > >

    >
     
    umwhat, Jun 21, 2008
    #3
  4. umwhat

    umwhat Guest

    Will Windows 64Bit Edition install onto a second harddrive if the second
    harddrive is connected to an addon PCI card that has a Sata connector on it?
    Still, the card would need to be 64 bit compatible...the card I saw says it
    for 32bit but does not mention 64 bit.

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    "John John (MVP)" wrote:

    > Other than Embedded editions no other Windows version has support for
    > installation on USB devices, it is not a supported installation. If you
    > search the net you will find some information from some folks who have
    > toyed with this and who claim to have gotten it to work, but you will
    > also find lots of reports of failure, bugs, and unstable installations.
    > Most who try eventually abandon the project because the results are
    > usually unstable Windows installations.
    >
    > John
    >
    > umwhat wrote:
    >
    > > Will XP 64Bit Edition install onto a USB connected Sata2 harddrive? XP Home
    > > Editon will already be installed onto a motherboard connected Sata harddrive.
    > > The bios has boot from USB devices settings.
    > >
    > >

    >
     
    umwhat, Jun 21, 2008
    #4
  5. umwhat wrote:

    > I thought that to be the case but having seen the "Boot from USB" option in
    > the bios I asked the question.


    You can boot the computer from USB and you can boot other operating
    systems from USB, but not Windows. A PE like Bart's PE is an operating
    system that can run from a CD or flash drive. Live Linux CDs are also
    operating systems that can be booted and run from USB CD, possibly Linux
    versions can be installed on USB drives, I haven't looked into it so I
    don't know. But a full Windows installation cannot be booted from USB
    drives, it isn't supported.

    John
     
    John John (MVP), Jun 21, 2008
    #5
  6. Yes, absolutely. Find a suitable card and supply the drivers to the
    setup program during the installation (use F6 and have the drivers on a
    floppy diskette).

    John

    umwhat wrote:

    > Will Windows 64Bit Edition install onto a second harddrive if the second
    > harddrive is connected to an addon PCI card that has a Sata connector on it?
    > Still, the card would need to be 64 bit compatible...the card I saw says it
    > for 32bit but does not mention 64 bit.
    >
     
    John John (MVP), Jun 21, 2008
    #6
  7. The hardware will work in 64-bit if the driver supports it.
    It's the software drivers that are OS specific, not the
    hardware.


    umwhat wrote:
    > Will Windows 64Bit Edition install onto a second harddrive if the second
    > harddrive is connected to an addon PCI card that has a Sata connector on it?
    > Still, the card would need to be 64 bit compatible...the card I saw says it
    > for 32bit but does not mention 64 bit.
    >
     
    Bobby Johnson, Jun 21, 2008
    #7
  8. umwhat

    umwhat Guest

    Hi John,
    ...you are saying to install drivers at the F6 prompt during installation.
    Is that a requirement for RAID and not a requirement for Non-RAID setup.I do
    not wish to install a RAID setup.
    I will have XP Home Edition on a first harddrive. I would like to install a
    second harddrive to install XP 64Bit Edition. I want to use the Backup in the
    XP Pro to backup the work I will do for a computer course using Microsoft
    Office 2003 which I will install into the XP Home installation.
    BTW...
    ....I was browsing tonight and got the impression that Microsoft Office
    Professional 2003 is an operating system. Is that right?...I have thought I
    would be installing it into an operating system, Windows XP Home Edition.


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    "John John (MVP)" wrote:

    > Yes, absolutely. Find a suitable card and supply the drivers to the
    > setup program during the installation (use F6 and have the drivers on a
    > floppy diskette).
    >
    > John
    >
    > umwhat wrote:
    >
    > > Will Windows 64Bit Edition install onto a second harddrive if the second
    > > harddrive is connected to an addon PCI card that has a Sata connector on it?
    > > Still, the card would need to be 64 bit compatible...the card I saw says it
    > > for 32bit but does not mention 64 bit.
    > >

    >
     
    umwhat, Jun 21, 2008
    #8
  9. It's a requirement for *all* controllers that do not have drivers
    included on the Windows installation cd. In your case you will be
    wanting to boot the drive on a controller on the add-on card so you will
    need to supply the driver for the controller on that card, i.e. the
    drivers that come with the card. Some of the most popular cards may
    have drivers included on the Windows cd but don't count on that, most do
    not and you will have to supply the driver when you install Windows.

    John

    umwhat wrote:

    > Hi John,
    > ...you are saying to install drivers at the F6 prompt during installation.
    > Is that a requirement for RAID and not a requirement for Non-RAID setup.I do
    > not wish to install a RAID setup.
    > I will have XP Home Edition on a first harddrive. I would like to install a
    > second harddrive to install XP 64Bit Edition. I want to use the Backup in the
    > XP Pro to backup the work I will do for a computer course using Microsoft
    > Office 2003 which I will install into the XP Home installation.
    > BTW...
    > ...I was browsing tonight and got the impression that Microsoft Office
    > Professional 2003 is an operating system. Is that right?...I have thought I
    > would be installing it into an operating system, Windows XP Home Edition.
    >
    >
     
    John John (MVP), Jun 21, 2008
    #9
  10. umwhat wrote:

    > ...I was browsing tonight and got the impression that Microsoft Office
    > Professional 2003 is an operating system. Is that right?


    No, that is one of the Microsoft Office Suite versions. The only
    operating system that has "2003" in its nane is Server 2003.

    John
     
    John John (MVP), Jun 21, 2008
    #10
  11. umwhat

    umwhat Guest

    My thoughts were, the F6 prompt for driver installation would be to install
    RAID only drivers. I see the F6 prompt is asking for the card controller
    driver.

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    "John John (MVP)" wrote:

    > It's a requirement for *all* controllers that do not have drivers
    > included on the Windows installation cd. In your case you will be
    > wanting to boot the drive on a controller on the add-on card so you will
    > need to supply the driver for the controller on that card, i.e. the
    > drivers that come with the card. Some of the most popular cards may
    > have drivers included on the Windows cd but don't count on that, most do
    > not and you will have to supply the driver when you install Windows.
    >
    > John
    >
    > umwhat wrote:
    >
    > > Hi John,
    > > ...you are saying to install drivers at the F6 prompt during installation.
    > > Is that a requirement for RAID and not a requirement for Non-RAID setup.I do
    > > not wish to install a RAID setup.
    > > I will have XP Home Edition on a first harddrive. I would like to install a
    > > second harddrive to install XP 64Bit Edition. I want to use the Backup in the
    > > XP Pro to backup the work I will do for a computer course using Microsoft
    > > Office 2003 which I will install into the XP Home installation.
    > > BTW...
    > > ...I was browsing tonight and got the impression that Microsoft Office
    > > Professional 2003 is an operating system. Is that right?...I have thought I
    > > would be installing it into an operating system, Windows XP Home Edition.
    > >
    > >

    >
     
    umwhat, Jun 21, 2008
    #11
  12. umwhat

    umwhat Guest

    Thankyou.
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    "John John (MVP)" wrote:

    > umwhat wrote:
    >
    > > ...I was browsing tonight and got the impression that Microsoft Office
    > > Professional 2003 is an operating system. Is that right?

    >
    > No, that is one of the Microsoft Office Suite versions. The only
    > operating system that has "2003" in its nane is Server 2003.
    >
    > John
    >
     
    umwhat, Jun 21, 2008
    #12
  13. umwhat

    umwhat Guest

    I have been asking questions about the same things I am asking in this thread
    about having backup ready for when I start the computing course I hope to be
    accepted for soon.
    The last thing I need to know know and did ask in the other thread but left
    a comment I was asking in htis thread is...

    Will I be able to use Windows Backup in a Windows XP 64Bit Edition
    Professional installation in a second harddrive with Windows XP Home Edition
    in the first harddrive and have all the backup features available to back up
    the whole Windows XP harddrive?
    My concern is for the backup of work I do for the course? Incremental
    backups sounds like a good option for the back ups.
    --
    ....scribble...scribble...scribble...


    "John John (MVP)" wrote:

    > It's a requirement for *all* controllers that do not have drivers
    > included on the Windows installation cd. In your case you will be
    > wanting to boot the drive on a controller on the add-on card so you will
    > need to supply the driver for the controller on that card, i.e. the
    > drivers that come with the card. Some of the most popular cards may
    > have drivers included on the Windows cd but don't count on that, most do
    > not and you will have to supply the driver when you install Windows.
    >
    > John
    >
    > umwhat wrote:
    >
    > > Hi John,
    > > ...you are saying to install drivers at the F6 prompt during installation.
    > > Is that a requirement for RAID and not a requirement for Non-RAID setup.I do
    > > not wish to install a RAID setup.
    > > I will have XP Home Edition on a first harddrive. I would like to install a
    > > second harddrive to install XP 64Bit Edition. I want to use the Backup in the
    > > XP Pro to backup the work I will do for a computer course using Microsoft
    > > Office 2003 which I will install into the XP Home installation.
    > > BTW...
    > > ...I was browsing tonight and got the impression that Microsoft Office
    > > Professional 2003 is an operating system. Is that right?...I have thought I
    > > would be installing it into an operating system, Windows XP Home Edition.
    > >
    > >

    >
     
    umwhat, Jun 21, 2008
    #13
  14. It's for all "Mass Storage Controller" drivers, add on controller cards
    fall in that category. See here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859

    John

    umwhat wrote:

    > My thoughts were, the F6 prompt for driver installation would be to install
    > RAID only drivers. I see the F6 prompt is asking for the card controller
    > driver.
    >
     
    John John (MVP), Jun 21, 2008
    #14
  15. If you are asking if you will be able to use a backup utility installed
    on x64 while you are booted to XP Home the answer is no, you won't be
    able to use the backup utility installed on XP x64 when you are using XP
    Home. That would also apply even if the second operating system was
    also an XP Home version.

    Other than small self contained programs or programs that do not use the
    registry at all you cannot use programs on other installations. In
    order to properly use the program you must install it on the Windows
    installation that will use it, the necessary registry information will
    be written when the program is installed, only then will the program be
    usable.

    Being that you are a student I don't know about your "funds" situation,
    but if you can spare a few dollars I think you would be wise to invest
    in a good backup utility. The Windows backup utility (NTBackUp) is ok
    for certain things but it has severe limitations. It would be ok and
    easy to use from one OS to backup the other dormant installation, but
    when it comes to disaster recovery it isn't the best of tools. By the
    way, while the backup tool is not installed on XP Home, it is on the
    Windows cd and you can install it on XP Home. If it isn't on your
    Windows CD it is available for download on the internet. Also, while
    the NTBackUp utility can be used on XP Home, it cannot do ASR backups or
    be used to do ASR restore on the XP Home version.

    John

    umwhat wrote:



    > I have been asking questions about the same things I am asking in this thread
    > about having backup ready for when I start the computing course I hope to be
    > accepted for soon.
    > The last thing I need to know know and did ask in the other thread but left
    > a comment I was asking in htis thread is...
    >
    > Will I be able to use Windows Backup in a Windows XP 64Bit Edition
    > Professional installation in a second harddrive with Windows XP Home Edition
    > in the first harddrive and have all the backup features available to back up
    > the whole Windows XP harddrive?
    > My concern is for the backup of work I do for the course? Incremental
    > backups sounds like a good option for the back ups.
     
    John John (MVP), Jun 21, 2008
    #15
  16. I solved that by buying a SATA drive enclosure and connecting to one of the
    eSATA ports on the back of my computer. If you don't have eSATA ports you
    can add a passthrough connector that lets you connect to a SATA port on the
    mobo internally and to the enclosure with a second cable externally.

    "umwhat" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Will XP 64Bit Edition install onto a USB connected Sata2 harddrive? XP
    > Home
    > Editon will already be installed onto a motherboard connected Sata
    > harddrive.
    > The bios has boot from USB devices settings.
    >
    >
    > --
    > ...scribble...scribble...scribble...
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jun 21, 2008
    #16
  17. umwhat

    umwhat Guest

    Subject: Backup/Dual Boot XP Home & XP Pro 64Bit...

    John, Charlie has answered this part of my questions in the thread I started
    there...and is saying the XP 64Bit Edition Pro Backup Utility will work full
    featured for both harddrives from the XP 64Bit Edition Pro harddrive.

    ... but I am getting the impression from your post that will not work
    because of the limited XP Home backup utility. Trying to think logically it
    seems the xp pro backup will work full featured for me that way.

    --
    ....scribble...scribble...scribble...


    "John John (MVP)" wrote:

    > If you are asking if you will be able to use a backup utility installed
    > on x64 while you are booted to XP Home the answer is no, you won't be
    > able to use the backup utility installed on XP x64 when you are using XP
    > Home. That would also apply even if the second operating system was
    > also an XP Home version.
    >
    > Other than small self contained programs or programs that do not use the
    > registry at all you cannot use programs on other installations. In
    > order to properly use the program you must install it on the Windows
    > installation that will use it, the necessary registry information will
    > be written when the program is installed, only then will the program be
    > usable.
    >
    > Being that you are a student I don't know about your "funds" situation,
    > but if you can spare a few dollars I think you would be wise to invest
    > in a good backup utility. The Windows backup utility (NTBackUp) is ok
    > for certain things but it has severe limitations. It would be ok and
    > easy to use from one OS to backup the other dormant installation, but
    > when it comes to disaster recovery it isn't the best of tools. By the
    > way, while the backup tool is not installed on XP Home, it is on the
    > Windows cd and you can install it on XP Home. If it isn't on your
    > Windows CD it is available for download on the internet. Also, while
    > the NTBackUp utility can be used on XP Home, it cannot do ASR backups or
    > be used to do ASR restore on the XP Home version.
    >
    > John
    >
    > umwhat wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > I have been asking questions about the same things I am asking in this thread
    > > about having backup ready for when I start the computing course I hope to be
    > > accepted for soon.
    > > The last thing I need to know know and did ask in the other thread but left
    > > a comment I was asking in htis thread is...
    > >
    > > Will I be able to use Windows Backup in a Windows XP 64Bit Edition
    > > Professional installation in a second harddrive with Windows XP Home Edition
    > > in the first harddrive and have all the backup features available to back up
    > > the whole Windows XP harddrive?
    > > My concern is for the backup of work I do for the course? Incremental
    > > backups sounds like a good option for the back ups.

    >
     
    umwhat, Jun 21, 2008
    #17
  18. John is simply saying that you have to be running XP64 to use its backup
    program. You cannot run the XP64 backup while running XP Home. That's
    pretty basic stuff.

    "umwhat" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Subject: Backup/Dual Boot XP Home & XP Pro 64Bit...
    >
    > John, Charlie has answered this part of my questions in the thread I
    > started
    > there...and is saying the XP 64Bit Edition Pro Backup Utility will work
    > full
    > featured for both harddrives from the XP 64Bit Edition Pro harddrive.
    >
    > ... but I am getting the impression from your post that will not work
    > because of the limited XP Home backup utility. Trying to think logically
    > it
    > seems the xp pro backup will work full featured for me that way.
    >
    > --
    > ...scribble...scribble...scribble...
    >
    >
    > "John John (MVP)" wrote:
    >
    >> If you are asking if you will be able to use a backup utility installed
    >> on x64 while you are booted to XP Home the answer is no, you won't be
    >> able to use the backup utility installed on XP x64 when you are using XP
    >> Home. That would also apply even if the second operating system was
    >> also an XP Home version.
    >>
    >> Other than small self contained programs or programs that do not use the
    >> registry at all you cannot use programs on other installations. In
    >> order to properly use the program you must install it on the Windows
    >> installation that will use it, the necessary registry information will
    >> be written when the program is installed, only then will the program be
    >> usable.
    >>
    >> Being that you are a student I don't know about your "funds" situation,
    >> but if you can spare a few dollars I think you would be wise to invest
    >> in a good backup utility. The Windows backup utility (NTBackUp) is ok
    >> for certain things but it has severe limitations. It would be ok and
    >> easy to use from one OS to backup the other dormant installation, but
    >> when it comes to disaster recovery it isn't the best of tools. By the
    >> way, while the backup tool is not installed on XP Home, it is on the
    >> Windows cd and you can install it on XP Home. If it isn't on your
    >> Windows CD it is available for download on the internet. Also, while
    >> the NTBackUp utility can be used on XP Home, it cannot do ASR backups or
    >> be used to do ASR restore on the XP Home version.
    >>
    >> John
    >>
    >> umwhat wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> > I have been asking questions about the same things I am asking in this
    >> > thread
    >> > about having backup ready for when I start the computing course I hope
    >> > to be
    >> > accepted for soon.
    >> > The last thing I need to know know and did ask in the other thread but
    >> > left
    >> > a comment I was asking in htis thread is...
    >> >
    >> > Will I be able to use Windows Backup in a Windows XP 64Bit Edition
    >> > Professional installation in a second harddrive with Windows XP Home
    >> > Edition
    >> > in the first harddrive and have all the backup features available to
    >> > back up
    >> > the whole Windows XP harddrive?
    >> > My concern is for the backup of work I do for the course? Incremental
    >> > backups sounds like a good option for the back ups.

    >>
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jun 21, 2008
    #18
  19. From the x64 installation you will be able to backup all your drives.
    From the XP Home installation using the NTBackUp utility you will be
    able to backup all your drives. But you will not be able to use the ASR
    feature on the XP Home installation. I see that you talk about Acronis
    in your other post, that is a good backup utiliy, you should use it
    instead of NTBackUp.

    umwhat wrote:

    > Subject: Backup/Dual Boot XP Home & XP Pro 64Bit...
    >
    > John, Charlie has answered this part of my questions in the thread I started
    > there...and is saying the XP 64Bit Edition Pro Backup Utility will work full
    > featured for both harddrives from the XP 64Bit Edition Pro harddrive.
    >
    > ... but I am getting the impression from your post that will not work
    > because of the limited XP Home backup utility. Trying to think logically it
    > seems the xp pro backup will work full featured for me that way.
    >
     
    John John (MVP), Jun 22, 2008
    #19
  20. umwhat

    umwhat Guest

    Thankyou John,
    I will download the trial Acronis True Image 11 and use it as Charlie and
    you suggest. I am hoping there will not be a time feature that disables what
    is done during the trial period. It does not seem there is.
    Do you think Acronis can backup to a smaller partitin than the partition it
    backs up?

    But I will not be able to afford to pay for the retail version for a while.

    I did happen to download a free one day offer of a good looking backup
    application but I did not get to activate it and install it, I only activated
    it, in the one day. And that during the time I have been asking questions...I
    will still look for free versions for a while until I can afford Acronis but
    I think but there is so many available, it is going to be a trial...
    I have done a backup with Neros old version 1.2.0.65 from Nero 6 but I
    doubt that will restore to a smaller partition so I may have to reinstall.
    Thats ok.
    Thankyou



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    "John John (MVP)" wrote:

    > From the x64 installation you will be able to backup all your drives.
    > From the XP Home installation using the NTBackUp utility you will be
    > able to backup all your drives. But you will not be able to use the ASR
    > feature on the XP Home installation. I see that you talk about Acronis
    > in your other post, that is a good backup utiliy, you should use it
    > instead of NTBackUp.
    >
    > umwhat wrote:
    >
    > > Subject: Backup/Dual Boot XP Home & XP Pro 64Bit...
    > >
    > > John, Charlie has answered this part of my questions in the thread I started
    > > there...and is saying the XP 64Bit Edition Pro Backup Utility will work full
    > > featured for both harddrives from the XP 64Bit Edition Pro harddrive.
    > >
    > > ... but I am getting the impression from your post that will not work
    > > because of the limited XP Home backup utility. Trying to think logically it
    > > seems the xp pro backup will work full featured for me that way.
    > >

    >
     
    umwhat, Jun 23, 2008
    #20
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