WTD: XP PRO Licences

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by TEX, Mar 15, 2006.

  1. TEX

    TEX Guest

    I need about 10 XP Pro licences. Who has bought a bunch of machines and
    are using OSS, and want to sell me the licences. Dam the licence is
    expensive from microsoft.

    Thanks

    TEX
     
    TEX, Mar 15, 2006
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  2. TEX

    Alan Guest

    Re: XP PRO Licences

    "TEX" <> wrote in message
    news:1142407440.330584@ftpsrv1...
    >I need about 10 XP Pro licences. Who has bought a bunch of machines
    >and are using OSS, and want to sell me the licences. Dam the licence
    >is expensive from microsoft.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > TEX


    Hi Tex,

    If someone bought a machine with the intention of using OSS, why would
    they have bought the licenses too?

    Alternatively, if they are OEM licenses then they cannot be separated
    from the machines if I understand correctly?

    HTH,

    Alan.


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    Alan, Mar 15, 2006
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  3. TEX

    Philip Guest

    TEX wrote:
    > I need about 10 XP Pro licences. Who has bought a bunch of machines and
    > are using OSS, and want to sell me the licences. Dam the licence is
    > expensive from microsoft.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > TEX


    Your best legal deal is to call Microsoft or a retailer and ask them for
    a deal. If you are an educational or a charitable organisation they will
    cut you some very good numbers. Even if you are not, see what they have
    to say and come back to us here in the group, 'cos we're interested &
    snoopy! Be aware that the rack rate (published price) is often different
    from the rate available on a quantity deal -in software as in hotels as
    in airfares as in cars.

    If you buy an OEM Windows licence without a computer,it's not worth the
    paper it's printed on, because it's tied to the machine it was sold
    with. That's why it was discounted when it was originally sold. That
    would mean that all your machines would be running unlicensed OS
    software, and apart from the illegality (I don't think I'd like to have
    ten breaches of the law going on in my office every day) would have
    problems in OS updating and eventual OS upgrading.

    Why XP Pro? The main difference is that XP Home cannot run as a server:
    do you want to run 10 servers? Have you looked at deals on Windows 2000,
    which has some advantages for management in the office environment?

    Depending what you want to do with the machines you could look at
    picking up ten copies of Windows 98 for a few bucks. That might be
    stable enough for the applications you have in mind and would surely not
    cost a lot, assuming that you are anxious to cut your costs. I would not
    recommend you look at Windows Me, except for as long as it takes to hurl
    it into the outer darkness. Give it to a Mac enthusiast: it will confirm
    all their prejudices.

    Do you have a particular application you must run? Like- hotel
    management, radio station playout - airline booking - fleet management -
    medical practice management - that only runs under one operating
    system? or do you have to interface with a particular application
    outside your office that uses a locked proprietary format to exchange data?

    If not, you could also look at the Linux offer, which has a steeper and
    more annoying learning curve than its advocates admit, but can be
    rewarding. Many specialist applications exist, and it might be worth
    your while looking at what's available. Suse 10 is well spoken of and
    comes with applications that will handle most business requirements. But
    your staff will need at least some re-training to cope efficiently with
    the differences, and unless your IT specialist is already trained in
    Linux, they'll need time to get fully up to speed.

    I'd be interested to see which way you decide.

    Philip

    (8 computers in three locations: 5 Unbuntu Linux, 2 Windows XP Home,1
    Windows XP Pro). CP/M was differently worse.
     
    Philip, Mar 15, 2006
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  4. TEX

    Jerry Guest

    Philip wrote:
    > TEX wrote:
    >
    >> I need about 10 XP Pro licences. Who has bought a bunch of machines
    >> and are using OSS, and want to sell me the licences. Dam the licence
    >> is expensive from microsoft.
    >>
    >> Thanks
    >>
    >> TEX

    >
    >
    > Your best legal deal is to call Microsoft or a retailer and ask them for
    > a deal. If you are an educational or a charitable organisation they will
    > cut you some very good numbers. Even if you are not, see what they have
    > to say and come back to us here in the group, 'cos we're interested &
    > snoopy! Be aware that the rack rate (published price) is often different
    > from the rate available on a quantity deal -in software as in hotels as
    > in airfares as in cars.
    >
    > If you buy an OEM Windows licence without a computer,it's not worth the
    > paper it's printed on, because it's tied to the machine it was sold
    > with. That's why it was discounted when it was originally sold. That
    > would mean that all your machines would be running unlicensed OS
    > software, and apart from the illegality (I don't think I'd like to have
    > ten breaches of the law going on in my office every day) would have
    > problems in OS updating and eventual OS upgrading.
    >
    > Why XP Pro? The main difference is that XP Home cannot run as a server:
    > do you want to run 10 servers? Have you looked at deals on Windows 2000,
    > which has some advantages for management in the office environment?


    XP Home cannot join a domain, only a workgroup.
     
    Jerry, Mar 15, 2006
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  5. TEX

    Alan Guest

    "Philip" <> wrote in message
    news:4417d1a0$...
    >
    > Why XP Pro? The main difference is that XP Home cannot run as a
    > server: do you want to run 10 servers? Have you looked at deals on
    > Windows 2000, which has some advantages for management in the office
    > environment?
    >


    Be careful here.

    I believe you will find that Win XP Home cannot be part of a domain -
    only a workgroup.

    Could be a very expensive mistake to make if you want to network the
    machines to a Windows Server.

    I may be wrong of course!

    Alan.

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    Alan, Mar 15, 2006
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  6. TEX

    XPD Guest

    "Jerry" <> wrote in message
    news:4417d53b$...
    >> Why XP Pro? The main difference is that XP Home cannot run as a server:
    >> do you want to run 10 servers? Have you looked at deals on Windows 2000,
    >> which has some advantages for management in the office environment?

    >
    > XP Home cannot join a domain, only a workgroup.


    I read somewhere that only 1 byte (ie: 1 character) makes the difference
    between Pro/Home during an installation..... be interesting to see if thats
    true :)
    My 2c... Ive bene drinking so dont hold too much to it. :)
     
    XPD, Mar 15, 2006
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  7. TEX

    Dave Taylor Guest

    "XPD" <....nz> wrote in
    news::

    > I read somewhere that only 1 byte (ie: 1 character) makes the
    > difference between Pro/Home during an installation..... be
    > interesting to see if thats true :)


    I thought that was NT4 WS vs Server and still have not been shown proof,
    but only looked a little bit.

    --
    Ciao, Dave
     
    Dave Taylor, Mar 15, 2006
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  8. TEX

    TEX Guest

    XP Proc because :

    SBS 2003 running POS software with SQL backend. So SBS 2003 premium
    edition was $1600 bux worth. Previously had SBS 4, but they missplaced
    the licence. So no upgrade. So need xp pro so can join domain. Will
    consider windows 2000 even...

    Latest MSDAC does not run on win98 which the client has licences for,
    and hence the price of the upgrade version is higher than the OEM version.

    Can purchase OEM, as the machines have just been built. Proabably can go
    back to the suppliers and as how much....

    I can see very clearly now why ppl have considered OSS....

    The stupid thing that gets me is that the academic version upgrade is
    only $150 where as the normal version is nearly $300. No difference,
    depending on how you view it.

    Theoretically one could get a student to buy/own the machine and os, and
    a company pay "rent" for the use of it, to get the better pricing.

    TEX


    Alan wrote:
    > "Philip" <> wrote in message
    > news:4417d1a0$...
    >
    >>Why XP Pro? The main difference is that XP Home cannot run as a
    >>server: do you want to run 10 servers? Have you looked at deals on
    >>Windows 2000, which has some advantages for management in the office
    >>environment?
    >>

    >
    >
    > Be careful here.
    >
    > I believe you will find that Win XP Home cannot be part of a domain -
    > only a workgroup.
    >
    > Could be a very expensive mistake to make if you want to network the
    > machines to a Windows Server.
    >
    > I may be wrong of course!
    >
    > Alan.
    >
     
    TEX, Mar 15, 2006
    #8
  9. Re: XP PRO Licences

    TEX wrote:
    > I need about 10 XP Pro licences. Who has bought a bunch of machines
    > and are using OSS, and want to sell me the licences. Dam the licence
    > is expensive from microsoft.


    One of the MS employees wrote here recently that you can procure OEM
    licences if you buy a bit of hardware with each one. A new power-cord was
    mentioned. Maybe approach a supplier and ask for a price for 10 power cords
    including OEM versions of XP pro. Of course, the licence will then be
    legally tied to that cord. <g>.
    --
    Shaun (~misfit~)
     
    Shaun \(~misfit~\), Mar 15, 2006
    #9
  10. TEX

    Philip Guest

    Re: XP PRO Licences

    Shaun (~misfit~) wrote:
    > TEX wrote:
    >> I need about 10 XP Pro licences. Who has bought a bunch of machines
    >> and are using OSS, and want to sell me the licences. Dam the licence
    >> is expensive from microsoft.

    >
    > One of the MS employees wrote here recently that you can procure OEM
    > licences if you buy a bit of hardware with each one. A new power-cord was
    > mentioned. Maybe approach a supplier and ask for a price for 10 power cords
    > including OEM versions of XP pro. Of course, the licence will then be
    > legally tied to that cord. <g>.

    I guess the activation code sticker would need to be wrapped around the
    cable?

    Philip
     
    Philip, Mar 15, 2006
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  11. Re: XP PRO Licences

    Philip wrote:
    > Shaun (~misfit~) wrote:
    >> TEX wrote:
    >>> I need about 10 XP Pro licences. Who has bought a bunch of machines
    >>> and are using OSS, and want to sell me the licences. Dam the licence
    >>> is expensive from microsoft.

    >>
    >> One of the MS employees wrote here recently that you can procure OEM
    >> licences if you buy a bit of hardware with each one. A new
    >> power-cord was mentioned. Maybe approach a supplier and ask for a
    >> price for 10 power cords including OEM versions of XP pro. Of
    >> course, the licence will then be legally tied to that cord. <g>.

    >
    > I guess the activation code sticker would need to be wrapped around
    > the cable?


    That's what I figure. ;-)
    --
    Shaun (~misfit~)
     
    Shaun \(~misfit~\), Mar 15, 2006
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  12. TEX

    thing2 Guest

    Dave Taylor wrote:
    > "XPD" <....nz> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    >
    >>I read somewhere that only 1 byte (ie: 1 character) makes the
    >>difference between Pro/Home during an installation..... be
    >>interesting to see if thats true :)

    >
    >
    > I thought that was NT4 WS vs Server and still have not been shown proof,
    > but only looked a little bit.
    >


    maybe google for the reg hack.....I believe its that simple....raid
    stuff....

    regards

    Thing
     
    thing2, Mar 15, 2006
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