WTC Towers: The Case For Controlled Demolition

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WTC Towers: The Case For Controlled Demolition
By Herman Schoenfeld

accurately accounts for the collapse times of the World Trade Center
towers. A top-down controlled demolition can be simply characterized
as a "pancake collapse" of a building missing its support columns.
This demolition profile requires that the support columns holding a
floor be destroyed just before that floor is collided with by the
upper falling masses. The net effect is a pancake-style collapse at
near free fall speed.

This model predicts a WTC 1 collapse time of 11.38 seconds, and a WTC
2 collapse time of 9.48 seconds. Those times accurately match the
seismographic data of those events.1 Refer to equations (1.9) and
(1.10) for details.

It should be noted that this model differs massively from a "natural
pancake collapse" in that the geometrical composition of the structure
is not considered (as it is physically destroyed). A natural pancake
collapse features a diminishing velocity rapidly approaching rest due
to the resistance offered by the columns and surrounding "steel mesh".

DEMOLITION MODEL

A top-down controlled demolition of a building is considered as
follows

1. An initial block of j floors commences to free fall.

2. The floor below the collapsing block has its support structures
disabled just prior the collision with the block.

3. The collapsing block merges with the momentarily levitating floor,
increases in mass, decreases in velocity (but preserves momentum), and
continues to free fall.

4. If not at ground floor, goto step 2.

Let j be the number of floors in the initial set of collapsing floors.
Let N be the number of remaining floors to collapse.
Let h be the average floor height.
Let g be the gravitational field strength at ground-level.
Let T be the total collapse time.

Using the elementary motion equation

distance = (initial velocity) * time + 1/2 * acceleration * time^2

We solve for the time taken by the k'th floor to free fall the height
of one floor

[1.1] t_k=(-u_k+(u_k^2+2gh))/g

where u_k is the initial velocity of the k'th collapsing floor.

The total collapse time is the sum of the N individual free fall times

[1.2] T = sum(k=0)^N (-u_k+(u_k^2+2gh))/g

Now the mass of the k'th floor at the point of collapse is the mass of
itself (m) plus the mass of all the floors collapsed before it (k-1)m
plus the mass on the initial collapsing block jm.

[1.3] m_k=m+(k-1)m+jm =(j+k)m

If we let u_k denote the initial velocity of the k'th collapsing
floor, the final velocity reached by that floor prior to collision
with its below floor is

[1.4] v_k=SQRT(u_k^2+2gh)

which follows from the elementary equation of motion

(final velocity)^2 = (initial velocity)^2 + 2 * (acceleration) *
(distance)

Conservation of momentum demands that the initial momentum of the k'th
floor equal the final momemtum of the (k-1)'th floor.

[1.5] m_k u_k = m_(k-1) v_(k-1)

Substituting (1.3) and (1.4) into (1.5)
[1.6] (j + k)m u_k= (j + k - 1)m SQRT(u_(k-1)^2+ 2gh)

Solving for the initial velocity u_k

[1.7] u_k=(j + k - 1)/(j + k) SQRT(u_(k-1)^2+2gh)

Which is a recurrence equation with base value

[1.8] u_0=0

The WTC towers were 417 meters tall and had 110 floors. Tower 1 began
collapsing on the 93rd floor. Making substitutions N=93, j=17 , g=9.8
into (1.2) and (1.7) gives

[1.9] WTC 1 Collapse Time = sum(k=0)^93 (-u_k+(u_k^2+74.28))/9.8 =
11.38 sec
where
u_k=(16+ k)/(17+ k ) SQRT(u_(k-1)^2+74.28) ;/ u_0=0

Tower 2 began collapsing on the 77th floor. Making substitutions N=77,
j=33 , g=9.8 into (1.2) and (1.7) gives

[1.10] WTC 2 Collapse Time =sum(k=0)^77 (-u_k+(u_k^2+74.28))/9.8 =
9.48 sec
Where
u_k=(32+k)/(33+k) SQRT(u_(k-1)^2+74.28) ;/ u_0=0

REFERENCES

"Seismic Waves Generated By Aircraft Impacts and Building Collapses at

This function returns the gravitational field strength in SI units.

> g :: Double
> g = 9.8

This function calculates the total time for a top-down demolition.
Parameters:
_H - the total height of building
_N - the number of floors in building
_J - the floor number which initiated the top-down cascade (the 0'th
floor being the ground floor)

> cascadeTime :: Double -> Double -> Double -> Double
> cascadeTime _H _N _J = sum [ (- (u k) + sqrt( (u k)^2 + 2*g*h))/g | k<-[0..n]]
> where
> j = _N - _J
> n = _N - j
> h = _H/_N
> u 0 = 0
> u k = (j + k - 1)/(j + k) * sqrt( (u (k-1))^2 + 2*g*h )

Simulates a top-down demolition of WTC 1 in SI units.

> wtc1 :: Double
> wtc1 = cascadeTime 417 110 93

Simulates a top-down demolition of WTC 2 in SI units.

> wtc2 :: Double
> wtc2 = cascadeTime 417 110 77

, Mar 13, 2008

2. Johnnie In The BillowsGuest

This posting doesn't rhyme.

Johnnie In The Billows, Mar 13, 2008

3. Al DykesGuest

In article <>,
<> wrote:
>WTC Towers: The Case For Controlled Demolition
>By Herman Schoenfeld
>
>accurately accounts for the collapse times of the World Trade Center
>towers. A top-down controlled demolition can be simply characterized
>as a "pancake collapse" of a building missing its support columns.
>This demolition profile requires that the support columns holding a
>floor be destroyed just before that floor is collided with by the
>upper falling masses. The net effect is a pancake-style collapse at
>near free fall speed.
>
>This model predicts a WTC 1 collapse time of 11.38 seconds, and a WTC
>2 collapse time of 9.48 seconds. Those times accurately match the
>seismographic data of those events.1 Refer to equations (1.9) and
>(1.10) for details.

Right!

It *was* a man-made, top-down demolition. It started from the top and
a Islamist pilot of a hijacked 757/767 caused it.

In this video, Jowenko, a demolition expert, eplains wht WTC1 and 2
WERE NOT caused by demolition explosives:

http://jowenko.nl/

--
Meet the Creators of "Loose Change" http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zs5jWvu4tR8

Meet the Scholars for 9/11 Truth http://youtube.com/watch?v=T6fe9YlHQwA

Ground Zero 911 Conspiracy Wars by Ray Rivera http://rayrivera.net

The Ground Zeros by Mark Roberts

Les Jamieson and others of NY911Truth.org disparages the FDNY

How famous Truth Movement people repond to unfortunate truths that
show them for what they are

The Naudet Film about 9/11 at WTC

Marks's collapse video

"The 9 - 11 Conspiracies - Fact or Fiction"
http://www.torrentbox.com/torrent_details?id=125450

Anyone that hasn't seen WTC's Ground Zero in NYC and the "Truth
Movement" kooks that hang out there should look at the first three
videos. The others should be required viewing by anyone that has an
opinion about 9/11 and WTC or has never been to NYC.

Here's an interview in which Jowenko says that WTTC7 could only fallen
as it did with massive preperation

This video shows demolitions and preperation.

Jowenko WTC7 Demolition Interviews, 1 of 3 7 minutes

Jowenko WTC7 Demolition Interviews, 2 of 3 (7 minutes)

Jowenko WTC7 Demolition Interviews, 3 of 3 (8 minutes)
--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail

Al Dykes, Mar 13, 2008

5. barnegatdxGuest

( OT) Re: WTC Towers: It Was GodZilla

A Huge, Invisible Monster , moving north to south., and detouring into
New York harbor

caused the Towers to collapse;

- But first, he threw two airplanes , one into each tower..

Look at the images of NY harbor after the attack; You can see his
footprints..

& The Math I've done supports this theory . .

On Mar 13, 10:06 am, barnegatdx <> wrote:

barnegatdx, Mar 13, 2008
6. RHFGuest

(OT) : Remember the September 11 Attacks (9/11) and Never Forget . ..

On Mar 13, 7:19 am, barnegatdx <> wrote:
> A Huge, Invisible Monster , moving north to south., and detouring into
> New York harbor
>
>  caused the Towers to collapse;
>
> - But first, he threw two airplanes , one into each tower..
>
> Look at the images of NY harbor after the attack; You can see his
> footprints..
>
> & The Math I've done supports this theory  . .
>
>
> On Mar 13, 10:06 am, barnegatdx <> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Controlled Demolition?

>
> > - Rubbish . . .

>
>
>
> >http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

BarnegatDX,

Everyone knows that Godzilla was on vacation duing 9/11 . . .
I was Mothra ! {Disguised as a Boeing 767}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothra
http://faculty.etsu.edu/currie/New_Folder/mothra.jpg

Remember the September 11 Attacks (9/11) and Never Forget
- Why We Fight Them Over-There ! ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
.

RHF, Mar 13, 2008
7. BDKGuest

In article <5870b4a1-0c71-4861-b066-484eaa62c6c2
> WTC Towers: The Case For Controlled Demolition
> By Herman Schoenfeld
>
> accurately accounts for the collapse times of the World Trade Center
> towers. A top-down controlled demolition can be simply characterized
> as a "pancake collapse" of a building missing its support columns.
> This demolition profile requires that the support columns holding a
> floor be destroyed just before that floor is collided with by the
> upper falling masses. The net effect is a pancake-style collapse at
> near free fall speed.
>
> This model predicts a WTC 1 collapse time of 11.38 seconds, and a WTC
> 2 collapse time of 9.48 seconds. Those times accurately match the
> seismographic data of those events.1 Refer to equations (1.9) and
> (1.10) for details.
>
> It should be noted that this model differs massively from a "natural
> pancake collapse" in that the geometrical composition of the structure
> is not considered (as it is physically destroyed). A natural pancake
> collapse features a diminishing velocity rapidly approaching rest due
> to the resistance offered by the columns and surrounding "steel mesh".
>
> DEMOLITION MODEL
>
> A top-down controlled demolition of a building is considered as
> follows
>
> 1. An initial block of j floors commences to free fall.
>
> 2. The floor below the collapsing block has its support structures
> disabled just prior the collision with the block.
>
> 3. The collapsing block merges with the momentarily levitating floor,
> increases in mass, decreases in velocity (but preserves momentum), and
> continues to free fall.
>
> 4. If not at ground floor, goto step 2.
>
>
> Let j be the number of floors in the initial set of collapsing floors.
> Let N be the number of remaining floors to collapse.
> Let h be the average floor height.
> Let g be the gravitational field strength at ground-level.
> Let T be the total collapse time.
>
> Using the elementary motion equation
>
> distance = (initial velocity) * time + 1/2 * acceleration * time^2
>
> We solve for the time taken by the k'th floor to free fall the height
> of one floor
>
> [1.1] t_k=(-u_k+(u_k^2+2gh))/g
>
> where u_k is the initial velocity of the k'th collapsing floor.
>
> The total collapse time is the sum of the N individual free fall times
>
> [1.2] T = sum(k=0)^N (-u_k+(u_k^2+2gh))/g
>
> Now the mass of the k'th floor at the point of collapse is the mass of
> itself (m) plus the mass of all the floors collapsed before it (k-1)m
> plus the mass on the initial collapsing block jm.
>
> [1.3] m_k=m+(k-1)m+jm =(j+k)m
>
> If we let u_k denote the initial velocity of the k'th collapsing
> floor, the final velocity reached by that floor prior to collision
> with its below floor is
>
> [1.4] v_k=SQRT(u_k^2+2gh)
>
>
> which follows from the elementary equation of motion
>
> (final velocity)^2 = (initial velocity)^2 + 2 * (acceleration) *
> (distance)
>
> Conservation of momentum demands that the initial momentum of the k'th
> floor equal the final momemtum of the (k-1)'th floor.
>
> [1.5] m_k u_k = m_(k-1) v_(k-1)
>
>
> Substituting (1.3) and (1.4) into (1.5)
> [1.6] (j + k)m u_k= (j + k - 1)m SQRT(u_(k-1)^2+ 2gh)
>
>
> Solving for the initial velocity u_k
>
> [1.7] u_k=(j + k - 1)/(j + k) SQRT(u_(k-1)^2+2gh)
>
>
> Which is a recurrence equation with base value
>
> [1.8] u_0=0
>
>
>
> The WTC towers were 417 meters tall and had 110 floors. Tower 1 began
> collapsing on the 93rd floor. Making substitutions N=93, j=17 , g=9.8
> into (1.2) and (1.7) gives
>
>
> [1.9] WTC 1 Collapse Time = sum(k=0)^93 (-u_k+(u_k^2+74.28))/9.8 =
> 11.38 sec
> where
> u_k=(16+ k)/(17+ k ) SQRT(u_(k-1)^2+74.28) ;/ u_0=0
>
>
>
> Tower 2 began collapsing on the 77th floor. Making substitutions N=77,
> j=33 , g=9.8 into (1.2) and (1.7) gives
>
>
> [1.10] WTC 2 Collapse Time =sum(k=0)^77 (-u_k+(u_k^2+74.28))/9.8 =
> 9.48 sec
> Where
> u_k=(32+k)/(33+k) SQRT(u_(k-1)^2+74.28) ;/ u_0=0
>
>
> REFERENCES
>
> "Seismic Waves Generated By Aircraft Impacts and Building Collapses at
> World Trade Center ", http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/Eq/20010911_WTC/WTC_LDEO_KIM.pdf
>
> APPENDIX A: HASKELL SIMULATION PROGRAM
>
> This function returns the gravitational field strength in SI units.
>
> > g :: Double
> > g = 9.8

>
> This function calculates the total time for a top-down demolition.
> Parameters:
> _H - the total height of building
> _N - the number of floors in building
> _J - the floor number which initiated the top-down cascade (the 0'th
> floor being the ground floor)
>
>
> > cascadeTime :: Double -> Double -> Double -> Double
> > cascadeTime _H _N _J = sum [ (- (u k) + sqrt( (u k)^2 + 2*g*h))/g | k<-[0..n]]
> > where
> > j = _N - _J
> > n = _N - j
> > h = _H/_N
> > u 0 = 0
> > u k = (j + k - 1)/(j + k) * sqrt( (u (k-1))^2 + 2*g*h )

>
>
> Simulates a top-down demolition of WTC 1 in SI units.
>
> > wtc1 :: Double
> > wtc1 = cascadeTime 417 110 93

>
> Simulates a top-down demolition of WTC 2 in SI units.
>
> > wtc2 :: Double
> > wtc2 = cascadeTime 417 110 77

>

No. It was the Romulans. Using holgraphically enhanced disruptors to do
the initial damage to the buildings, then they used their special
tractor beam to shove the towers down. WTC7 was a "lucky hit".

Or, it was the two planes that flew into them, and the fires that came
as a result.

BDK

BDK, Mar 13, 2008
8. D Peter MausGuest

Re: ( OT) Re: WTC Towers: It Was GodZilla

barnegatdx wrote:
> A Huge, Invisible Monster , moving north to south., and detouring into
> New York harbor
>
> caused the Towers to collapse;
>
>
> - But first, he threw two airplanes , one into each tower..
>
> Look at the images of NY harbor after the attack; You can see his
> footprints..
>
>
> & The Math I've done supports this theory . .
>
>
>
>
>

Thank God....someone finally speaking truth.

D Peter Maus, Mar 13, 2008
9. Freedom FighterGuest

Re: ( OT) Re: WTC Towers: It Was Homeland Terrorism!

"barnegatdx" <> wrote in message
news:...

< snip >

> On Mar 13, 10:06 am, barnegatdx <> wrote:
>> Controlled Demolition?
>>
>> - Rubbish . . .
>>
>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

That propaganda shill rag Popular Mechanics actually bowed out of a
discussion that they couldn't win when, in a live interview, they got caught
in a completely absurd fabrication. Listen to this interview:

----------------------------
SIMPLE PHYSICS EXPOSES THE BIG 9/11 LIE -
GOVERNMENT BUILDING COLLAPSE
EXPLANATION FAILS REALITY CHECK

On September 11, 2001, the world watched in horror as the World Trade Center
(WTC) Twin Towers collapsed, killing thousands of innocent people. Videos of
the collapses were replayed ad nauseam on TV for days. About 5 hours after
the towers fell, WTC building 7 also collapsed suddenly, completely, and
straight down at near free-fall speed. This steel-framed building was not
touched by the planes that struck the towers, and had sustained relatively
minor debris damage and small fires. Nearby buildings far more heavily
damaged remained standing.

In June 2005, in an apparent response to an article by Morgan Reynolds,
former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stated,
"The American people know what they saw with their own eyes on September 11,
2001. To suggest any kind of government conspiracy in the events of that day
goes beyond the pale."

We will prove here, with scientific rigor, that it's the government's tale
that's "beyond the pale"!

Did most of the American people really understand the unprecedented
phenomena they had witnessed? Could a lack of knowledge of physics, and the
emotional shock of this mass-murderous "terrorist attack" have stymied
objective thinking and led to the blind acceptance of authoritarian
assertions?

The government and the media TOLD US what we saw. The government told us
that we had witnessed a "gravitational" collapse; what is now referred to as
a "pancake collapse". According to the government claims, the plane crashes
and subsequent kerosene (like lamp oil - jet fuel is NOT exotic) fires
heated the UL-certified structural steel to the point where it was
significantly weakened, which is very difficult to believe, never mind
repeat in an experiment. Even with massive fires that incinerate everything
else, the steel frames of such buildings generally remain standing.
According to the "pancake theory", this purported (all physical evidence was
quickly and illegally destroyed) weakening supposedly caused part of the
tower to collapse downward onto the rest of the tower, which, we've been
repeatedly told, somehow resulted in a chain reaction of the lower floors
sequentially, one at a time, yielding to the weight falling from above.

There are some problems with that theory - it does not fit the observed
facts:

* It cannot account for the total failure of the immense vertical steel core
columns - as if they were there one moment and gone the next.

* The collapse times were near free-fall, far too rapid to be due to gravity

Those that concocted the "pancake theory" made a fatal error - they didn't
check their story against the inviolate laws of physics! This is easy to do,
even without any physical evidence to examine. We can test that incredible
pancake tale using basic high-school physics. Let's do that - use a simple,
unassailable, incontrovertible conservation-of-energy analysis to perform a
reality check that establishes once and for all that the government, and
such government story backers as PBS, Popular Mechanics, and Scientific
American have falsified the true nature of the 9/11 disaster.

How Gravity Acts:

Sir Isaac Newton noticed that apples fell from trees. Others had also
noticed this, but none had ever devised a theory of gravity from the
observation. Over the years, mankind has learned that the force of gravity
at and near Earth's surface produces an acceleration of known constant
magnitude. That doesn't mean we know HOW it works, or WHY, but we have
become able to predict its effects with a high degree of precision and
certainty - gravity has always had the same, predictable, effect.

Galileo Galilei used the leaning tower of Pisa to demonstrate that a large
ball and a small one (of lesser mass) fell (accelerated downward) at the
same rate. Prior to Galileo, people had just assumed that heavier objects
fall faster, much the way they had assumed the Earth was flat.

So while an object of greater mass will exert more force (its weight) upon
anything supporting it against gravity's pull, it does not experience any
greater acceleration when gravity's pull is not opposed - when it is
falling. Earth's gravity at and near the surface of the planet can only
accelerate objects downward at one known, constant rate: 32 feet per second
for each second of free fall. As Galileo demonstrated centuries ago, heavier
objects are not accelerated any quicker than are lighter objects.

So Earth's gravity produces a downward acceleration of 32 feet per second
per second. This means that an object, after falling one second, will be
falling at a speed of 32 ft/sec. After the 2nd second, it will be falling at
64 ft/sec. After the 3rd second, it will be falling at 96 ft/sec., and so
on.

Further, since gravity's acceleration is constant, and an object is falling
at 32 ft/sec after one second has elapsed, we know that it has averaged 16
ft/sec for the entire distance. Thus after one second, the object has fallen
16 feet.

Scientists have derived simple free-fall equations that can be used to
harness this knowledge mathematically. These equations can be found in any
high-school physics book:

* Falling velocity = acceleration of gravity x time. (V = G x T)

And

* Distance fallen = 1/2 x acceleration of gravity x time squared. (D = 1/2
x G x T x T)

So if we want to know how far an object has free-fallen after 3 seconds:

Distance = 1/2 x 32 x 9 = 144 feet

So after 3 seconds in Earth's gravity, an object will have fallen 144 feet
and will be falling at 96 ft/sec.

Checking Our Work:

We've just solved a simple physics problem. Now let's check our work, using
conservation of energy.

We know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - it merely changes
form. If we take the potential (in this case chemical, molecular) energy in
a barrel of oil and burn it, it changes to heat energy. When we burn
gasoline in our car's engine, we get kinetic (motional) energy, plus some
heat, as an engine is not 100% efficient. When we use our car's brakes to
bleed off some of that kinetic energy (slow down), that energy is converted
into heat (the brakes get hot). Explosives convert potential energy
[molecular or atomic] to kinetic energy (explosive force) quickly enough to
shatter or even pulverize concrete.

In the case of the free-falling object, the two kinds of energy we are
concerned with are kinetic energy and potential energy. Examples of
potential (gravitational) energy are the energy available from water stored
up high in a water tower, or a boulder perched atop a hill. If whatever is
holding it up there is removed, it will fall under the influence of
gravity's pull. As it accelerates downward, the potential energy is
converted to the kinetic energy of the object's motion.

So, as an object falls, it changes its potential energy into kinetic energy.

The equation for potential energy is:

* Potential Energy = Mass (or weight) x Gravity x Height. (PE = M x G x H)

The equation for kinetic energy is:

* Kinetic Energy = 1/2 x Mass x Velocity squared. (KE = 1/2 x M x V x V)

So let's just say, for the sake of simplicity, that our falling object has a
mass of 1. (Remember, the object's mass will affect its energy, and its
momentum, but not its rate of free-fall.)

The potential energy given up by falling 3 seconds (144 ft) is: 1 x 32 x 144
= 4608

The kinetic energy gained after falling 3 secs is 1/2 x 1 x 96 squared = 1/2
x 9216 = 4608

So, the available potential energy was converted into kinetic energy. Seeing
that energy was, in fact, conserved is how we know that the answer in the
simple case above was correct. We've checked our work, using an independent
analysis, based upon the sound physical principle of conservation of energy.
Now, and only now, we can be certain that our answer was correct.

One Little Complication - the effect of air resistance:

The free-fall equations above reflect a perfect, frictionless world. They
perfectly predict the behavior of falling bodies in a vacuum. In fact, you
may have seen a science class demonstration in which the air is pumped out
of a tube and then a feather will fall, in that vacuum, just as fast as will
a solid metal ball.

That's how parachutes work: much of the falling object's potential energy
gets expended doing the work of pushing a lot of air out of the way in order
for the object to fall. As a result, not all of the gravitational potential
energy can go towards accelerating the object downward at gravity's rate of
32 ft/sec/sec.

In other words, only when there is zero frictional resistance can any
falling object's potential energy be completely converted into kinetic
energy. Anything that resists a falling object's downward velocity reduces
its acceleration from the maximum gravitational acceleration of 32 feet per
second per second, as some of gravity's potential energy is consumed in
overcoming frictional resistance.

This explains the phenomena of "terminal velocity". The free-fall equations
predict that a falling object's velocity will continue to increase without
limit. But in air, once a falling object reaches a certain speed, its
propensity to fall will be matched by the air's resistance to the fall. At
that point the object will continue to fall, but its speed will no longer
increase over time. Another way of looking at it is this: gravity's
incessant force produces a downward acceleration, but friction with the air
creates an upward force and thus an upward acceleration. When falling at
terminal velocity, the acceleration downward equals the acceleration upward,
they cancel each other out, and a constant downward velocity is maintained.
Thus the parachute, with its high air friction resistance, allows the person
attached to it to float to earth unharmed.

A Quick Recap:

Earth's gravity causes objects to fall, and they fall according to precise
physical equations. The equations assume no air or other resistance. Any
resistance at all will cause the object to fall less rapidly than it would
without that resistance. If a falling object is affected by air resistance
it falls slower than it would if free-falling, and it will take longer to
fall a given distance.

Free-fall From WTC Building Heights:

The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall; average = 1355 feet. Let's start by
using our free-fall equation to see how long it should take an object to
free-fall from the towers' height.

Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time squared. (D = 1/2 x G x T x T)

With a little basic algebra, we solve the equation for the fall time, T:

2 x Distance = Gravity x Time(squared) (2 x D = G x T x T)

Time squared = (2 x Distance) / Gravity (T x T = 2 x D / G)

Time squared = 2 x 1355 / 32 = 84.7 (T = square root of (2 x D / G))

Time = 9.2

So our equation tells us that it takes 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the
ground from the height of the WTC towers.

Using our simpler equation, V = G x T, we can see that at 9.2 seconds, the
free-falling object's velocity must be about 295 ft/sec, which is just over
200 mph.

But that can only occur IN A VACUUM.

Since the WTC was in Earth's atmosphere at sea level, you might be able to
imagine how much air resistance that represents. Think about putting your
arm out the window of a car moving even half that fast! Most free-falling
objects reach their terminal velocity long before they reach 200 mph. For
example, the terminal velocity of a free-falling human body is around 120
mph. The terminal velocity of a free-falling cat is around 60 mph.

Therefore, it is clear that air resistance alone will make it take longer
than 9.2 seconds for anything falling from the towers' height to reach the
ground.

Observations from 9/11:

On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's
"complete and final report" on 9/11, that the South Tower collapsed in 10
seconds. Here is the exact quote:

"At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds". That's the
government's official number. With all the videos that show it, they could

But as we've determined above, the FREE-FALL TIME IN A VACUUM is 9.2
seconds, and 10 seconds is an exceptionally short fall time through the air.

This "collapse" was not without far more physical resistance than from the
air alone. It proceeded through all the lower stories of the tower. Those
undamaged floors below the plane impact zone offered resistance thousands of
times greater than that of air. Those lower stories, and the central steel
core columns, had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years
despite hurricane-force winds and tremors. Air cannot do that.

Can anyone possibly imagine undamaged lower floors getting out of the way of
the upper floors as gracefully and relatively frictionlessly as air would?
Can anyone possibly imagine the lower stories slowing the fall of the upper
floors less than would, say, a parachute?

It is beyond the scope of the simple but uncontested physics here to tell
you how long such a collapse should have taken. Would it have taken a
minute? Ten minutes? Hard to say, but certainly it would take far more than
10 seconds!

What is certain, beyond any shadow of a doubt, is that the towers could not
have collapsed gravitationally, through their intact lower stories, as
rapidly as was observed on 9/11. Not even close. This is shown above to be
physically impossible!

Not only was tremendous energy expended in causing the observed massive
high-speed sideways debris ejections, but virtually all the concrete and
glass of the tower was pulverized - actually dissociated is a better word.
Never mind what happened to all the supporting steel core columns! The
energy requirements to do anything like that, alone, rival the total amount
of potential energy that the entire tower had to give. Gravity alone is
sufficient to cause some things to fall that far, even through air, in close
to the observed 10 second collapse time. But that is without the huge
expenditure of energy necessary to pulverize all of that concrete and glass,
eject debris, plus cause the steel core columns to effectively disappear.
The gravitational potential energy present was certainly not enough to have
done all these things at once.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; it only changes form. So WHERE
DID ALL THAT ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTIVE ENERGY COME FROM?

Conclusions:

In order for the towers to have collapsed "gravitationally" in the observed
duration, as we've been told over and over again, one or more of the
following zany-sounding conditions must have been met:

* The undamaged structure below the impact zone offered zero resistance to
the collapse.

* The glass and concrete spontaneously disintegrated without any expenditure
of energy.

* The massive vertical steel core columns simply vanished, as if by magic.

* On 9/11 alone, in that location alone, gravity was much stronger than
gravity.

* On 9/11 alone, in that location alone, energy was not conserved.

None of these laws-of-physics-violating, and thus impossible, conditions can
be accounted for by the official government theory of 9/11, nor by any of
the subsequent analyses and arguments designed to prop up this official myth
of 9/11.

The Bottom Line:

The government explanations for the WTC collapses fail the most basic
conservation-of-energy reality check. Therefore the government theory is
FALSE; it does not fit the observed facts, and the notion of a "pancake
collapse" cannot account for what happened. The "pancake collapse"
explanation is impossible, and thus absurd. It is A LIE.

It is utterly impossible for a gravitational collapse to proceed so
destructively through a path of such great resistance in anywhere near
free-fall time. This fact debunks the preposterous contention that the WTC
collapses can be blamed solely upon damage resulting from the plane impacts.
The unnaturally short durations of the top-down collapses reveal that the
towers did not disintegrate because they were coming down, but rather they
came down because something else was causing them to disintegrate.

So, to the extent that people accept the ridiculous "pancake collapse"
story, former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Gates' other
premise, that people know what they saw, is also false. It is left to you to
decide if his conclusion, which was based upon clearly incorrect
presumptions, is also flawed.

The collapse of WTC building 7, which was NOT hit by any plane, and which
also collapsed within a second of free-fall time later that same day,
similarly fails the conservation-of-energy analysis. The 9/11 Commission
made no attempt to explain it.

Just how and why so many highly-accredited and credentialed people all so
miserably failed to check the "pancake collapse" theory, by giving it this
basic physics reality check, is beyond the scope of this analysis.

---------------------------------
FURTHER IRREFUTABLE PROOF BY PHYSICS OF THE 9/11 INSIDE JOB:

http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/12/glaring-proof-of-something-hotter-than.html

Freedom Fighter, Mar 13, 2008
10. JorgeGuest

Re: ( OT) Re: WTC Towers: It Was GodZilla

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:20:10 GMT, D Peter Maus <>
wrote:

>barnegatdx wrote:
>> A Huge, Invisible Monster , moving north to south., and detouring into
>> New York harbor
>>
>> caused the Towers to collapse;
>>
>>
>> - But first, he threw two airplanes , one into each tower..
>>
>> Look at the images of NY harbor after the attack; You can see his
>> footprints..
>>
>>
>> & The Math I've done supports this theory . .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>
> Thank God....someone finally speaking truth.

That makes more sense than anything those psychotic nutter 911 trufers can come
up with.

Jorge

"If Boy George is just an old fruit, then Ron Paul is
just the same old vegetable."

-heard on the GOP Campaign Trail 2008---

Jorge, Mar 13, 2008
11. JorgeGuest

Re: ( OT) Re: WTC Towers: It Was Homeland Terrorism!

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:43:13 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <> wrote:

>"barnegatdx" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>
>< snip >
>
>> On Mar 13, 10:06 am, barnegatdx <> wrote:
>>> Controlled Demolition?
>>>
>>> - Rubbish . . .
>>>
>>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

>
>That propaganda shill rag Popular Mechanics actually bowed out of a
>discussion that they couldn't win when, in a live interview, they got caught
>in a completely absurd fabrication. Listen to this interview:

>snip psychotic Trufer rantings

It is really hard to put up with such unresonable psychotic fucks that have no
concept of reality and factuality.

You just get to a point with these folks where the best thing to do is to give
up because you just get visions of these fucks getting on one of their mesaanic
highs and threatening your family some dark night.

Jorge

"You're a Ron Paul supporter, aren't you? You're with the
guy who can only get 5,000 votes. You don't really want to
win, do you? You just want to whine and complain."
--Heard on the GOP Campaign Trail Election 2008

Jorge, Mar 13, 2008
12. Freedom FighterGuest

Re: ( OT) Re: WTC Towers: It Was Homeland Terrorism!

"Jorge" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:43:13 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <>
> wrote:
>
>>"barnegatdx" <> wrote in message
>>news:...
>>
>>< snip >
>>
>>> On Mar 13, 10:06 am, barnegatdx <> wrote:
>>>> Controlled Demolition?
>>>>
>>>> - Rubbish . . .
>>>>
>>>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

>>
>>That propaganda shill rag Popular Mechanics actually bowed out of a
>>discussion that they couldn't win when, in a live interview, they got
>>caught
>>in a completely absurd fabrication. Listen to this interview:

>
>>snip psychotic Trufer rantings

>
> It is really hard to put up with such unresonable psychotic fucks that
> have no
> concept of reality and factuality.

Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people
incapable of disproving a valid assertion with facts or logic, so in
frustration they resort to childish name-calling.

Pathetic!

> You just get to a point with these folks where the best thing to do is to
> give
> up because you just get visions of these fucks getting on one of their
> mesaanic
> highs and threatening your family some dark night.
>
> Jorge

It is those that you blindly defend that you really have the most reason to
fear.

Freedom Fighter, Mar 13, 2008
13. Dr. BillGuest

Re: ( OT) Re: WTC Towers: It Was Homeland Terrorism!

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:45:50 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <> wrote:

>"Jorge" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:43:13 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"barnegatdx" <> wrote in message
>>>news:...
>>>
>>>< snip >
>>>
>>>> On Mar 13, 10:06 am, barnegatdx <> wrote:
>>>>> Controlled Demolition?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Rubbish . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
>>>
>>>That propaganda shill rag Popular Mechanics actually bowed out of a
>>>discussion that they couldn't win when, in a live interview, they got
>>>caught
>>>in a completely absurd fabrication. Listen to this interview:

>>
>>>snip psychotic Trufer rantings

>>
>> It is really hard to put up with such unresonable psychotic fucks that
>> have no
>> concept of reality and factuality.

>
>Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people
>incapable of disproving a valid assertion with facts or logic, so in
>frustration they resort to childish name-calling.
>
>Pathetic!

What is truly pathetic is a seemingly intelligent being spouting such stupid
nutter bullshit.

Jorge.

>> You just get to a point with these folks where the best thing to do is to
>> give
>> up because you just get visions of these fucks getting on one of their
>> mesaanic
>> highs and threatening your family some dark night.
>>
>> Jorge

>
>It is those that you blindly defend that you really have the most reason to
>fear.
>

"You're a Ron Paul supporter, aren't you? You're with the
guy who can only get 5,000 votes. You don't really want to
win, do you? You just want to whine and complain."
--Heard on the GOP Campaign Trail Election 2008

Dr. Bill, Mar 13, 2008
14. 'KeyGuest

Re: WTC Towers: Attn:

<> wrote absolutly nothing of
importance message
> ---snip the bull-shit---
>

hey clueless schoenfeld ,
just always remember the families and the ones that lost
their lives...
and
stop the stupid finger pointing to something that you are
obviously
also,
stop your damn cross-posting of bull-shit to groups that
couldn't care less

no real need for another of your stupid remarks.
unless you like pissing in the wind !

<plonk>

'Key, Mar 13, 2008
15. VengerGuest

wrote:
> WTC Towers: The Case For Controlled Demolition
> By Herman Schoenfeld
>
> accurately accounts for the collapse times of the World Trade Center
> towers.

Truthers suck. Big time.

Venger

Venger, Mar 13, 2008
16. Al DykesGuest

Re: ( OT) Re: WTC Towers: It Was Homeland Terrorism!

In article <OvfCj.13252\$>,
Freedom Fighter <> wrote:
>"Jorge" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:43:13 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"barnegatdx" <> wrote in message
>>>news:...
>>>
>>>< snip >
>>>
>>>> On Mar 13, 10:06 am, barnegatdx <> wrote:
>>>>> Controlled Demolition?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Rubbish . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
>>>
>>>That propaganda shill rag Popular Mechanics actually bowed out of a
>>>discussion that they couldn't win when, in a live interview, they got
>>>caught
>>>in a completely absurd fabrication. Listen to this interview:

>>
>>>snip psychotic Trufer rantings

>>
>> It is really hard to put up with such unresonable psychotic fucks that
>> have no
>> concept of reality and factuality.

>
>Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people
>incapable of disproving a valid assertion with facts or logic, so in
>frustration they resort to childish name-calling.
>
>Pathetic!
>
>> You just get to a point with these folks where the best thing to do is to
>> give
>> up because you just get visions of these fucks getting on one of their
>> mesaanic
>> highs and threatening your family some dark night.
>>
>> Jorge

>
>It is those that you blindly defend that you really have the most reason to
>fear.

Don't assume that people that call you a loon also support what the
current administration is doing in our name.

"Why do I bother with these morons? [the Truth Movement] Because
they are destroying the movements which some of us have spent a
long time trying to build. Those of us who believe that the
crucial global issues - climate change, the Iraq war, nuclear
proliferation, inequality - are insufficiently debated in
parliament or congress; that corporate power stands too heavily on
democracy; that war criminals, cheats and liars are not being held
to account, have invested our efforts in movements outside the
mainstream political process. These, we are now discovering, are
peculiarly susceptible to this epidemic of gibberish.

The obvious corollorary to the belief that the Bush administration
is all-powerful is that the rest of us are completely
powerless. In fact it seems to me that the purpose of the "9/11
truth movement" is to be powerless. The omnipotence of the Bush
regime is the coward's fantasy, an excuse for inaction used by
those who don't have the stomach to engage in real political
fights."
- George Monbiot http://www.monbiot.com/

--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail

Al Dykes, Mar 13, 2008
17. BurrGuest

Re: ( OT) Re: WTC Towers: It Was GodZilla

"barnegatdx" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> A Huge, Invisible Monster , moving north to south., and detouring into
> New York harbor
>
> caused the Towers to collapse;
>
>
> - But first, he threw two airplanes , one into each tower..
>
> Look at the images of NY harbor after the attack; You can see his
> footprints..
>
>
> & The Math I've done supports this theory . .

Barne,
Please, try and find some help! Maybe your family Doctor can help with
a referral.

Burr

Burr, Mar 14, 2008
18. Mr. StratGuest

Re: ( OT) Re: WTC Towers: It Was Homeland Terrorism!

In article <5BeCj.13008\$>,
Freedom Fighter <> wrote:

> That propaganda shill rag Popular Mechanics actually bowed out of a
> discussion that they couldn't win when, in a live interview, they got caught
> in a completely absurd fabrication. Listen to this interview:

<tons of psychotic truther bullshit snipped>

You psychos should be ashamed of yourselves.

Take a hint and STFU!

Mr. Strat, Mar 14, 2008
19. daveGuest

dave, Mar 14, 2008
20. RHFGuest

Re: ( OT) Re: WTC Towers: It Was Allowed to Happen

On Mar 14, 5:58 am, dave <> wrote:
- The "9-11 Truth" bullshit is just misdirection.  Reality is much
- creepier.  If you dare read this;  it is fully referenced:
-
- http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

Dave - They Are Coming To Take You Away ! ~ RHF
And It Is Fooly Referenced Too ! )
.
Remember the September 11 Attacks (9/11) and Never Forget
- Why We Fight Them Over-There ! ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
.

RHF, Mar 14, 2008