Windows 8 - so bad it's hastening the death of the PC?

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by ~misfit~, Apr 11, 2013.

  1. ~misfit~

    ~misfit~ Guest

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10876853

    [Excerpt:]

    "In an attempt to keep the PC relevant, Microsoft released a radical new
    version of Windows on October 26. Windows 8 has a completely new look and
    forces users to learn new ways to control their machines.
    "Unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only didn't
    provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the
    market," IDC Vice President Bob O'Donnell said."

    [/Excerpt]

    Am I the only person reminded of the fable of the greedy dog who had a nice
    meaty bone and, on crossing a bridge saw his reflection below him in the
    water. He wanted the other bone that he saw too so he opened his mouth to
    grab it and - of course, lost the bone he had in the process.
    --
    /Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
    cozy little classification in the DSM."
    David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
     
    ~misfit~, Apr 11, 2013
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  2. ~misfit~

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs ~misfit~ wrote:
    > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10876853
    >
    > [Excerpt:]
    >
    > "In an attempt to keep the PC relevant, Microsoft released a radical
    > new version of Windows on October 26. Windows 8 has a completely new
    > look and forces users to learn new ways to control their machines.
    > "Unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only
    > didn't provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have
    > slowed the market," IDC Vice President Bob O'Donnell said."
    >
    > [/Excerpt]
    >
    > Am I the only person reminded of the fable of the greedy dog who had
    > a nice meaty bone and, on crossing a bridge saw his reflection below
    > him in the water. He wanted the other bone that he saw too so he
    > opened his mouth to grab it and - of course, lost the bone he had in
    > the process.


    Just saw this too:

    http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9238326/Windows_8_takes_blame_for_brutal_PC_sales_slide

    --
    /Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
    cozy little classification in the DSM."
    David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
     
    ~misfit~, Apr 11, 2013
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  3. In article <kk6dim$noe$>,
    says...
    >
    > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10876853
    >
    > [Excerpt:]


    It seems a slightly preposterous notion to me. It's like saying "the
    rebranding of shell petrol stations as Z has destroyed car sales".

    If people are buying fewer computers, desktop or schlepptop, then that
    probably is mostly due to the customer's perception that they can do
    whatever it is they want to do on smaller mobile devices (and why not,
    if that's all they want to do) and/or fashion accessory slavery (I see
    the ipad-iphone thing as largely fashion driven myself).

    I can only liken it to my current situation: many many travellers are
    perfectly happy recording their holiday snaps with a ciggy-pack-sized
    point and click camera where I lug 10kg's worth of photographic
    equipment around. We just have different needs.

    You can say what you want about Win8 .. like geoff suggested about the
    first thing I did was dump the tiles based interface, install a stardock
    programmed start-button modification that gives it more/better
    functionality, and I basically don't see a difference from former OSs.
    Except that I've been assured (maybe falsely?) that Win8 seems a lot
    less demanding of the hardware -- I was told that laptops developed for
    Win8 take a big performance hit when re-installed with Win7. Since I
    personally haven't seen the need to undertake that experiment I can't
    say yay or nay.
     
    Peter Huebner, Apr 11, 2013
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  4. ~misfit~

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs geoff wrote:
    > "~misfit~" <> wrote in message
    > news:kk6dim$noe$...
    >> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10876853
    >>
    >> [Excerpt:]
    >>
    >> "In an attempt to keep the PC relevant, Microsoft released a radical
    >> new version of Windows on October 26. Windows 8 has a completely new
    >> look and forces users to learn new ways to control their machines.

    >
    > For sure. And the first thing anybody that operates by
    > keyboard/mouse, or has a touch-screen but doesn't want to squint
    > through a smeary screen all day does, is remove all the things that
    > make W8 different to W7 !


    Agreed. However probably 95% of the folks who buy (or play with, with an eye
    to buy) a computer and [l]user-level people. They wouldn't know how to do
    what you suggest - or even know that it's possible (and I don't believe that
    W7 is an option for the walk-in punter now is it? It certainly wouldn't be
    on display).

    Frankly, if I were a 'user' and went into a store looking to buy a computing
    device, especially a mobile or semi-mobile one and was presented with the
    choice of a laptop running W8 or a tablet (and I was used to XP, Vista
    <spew> or W7) I'd be likely to get the tablet.

    Also, in this theoretical scenario it would be the fact that the tablet,
    running a tablet-centric OS was far more user-friendly than a aptop running
    a tablet-friendly OS. If I were used to a laptop, were looking to replace
    the laptop and I was shown machines running W7 then I'd likely go for
    another laptop.

    Bottom line: MS are (prematurely) hammering nails into the coffin of the
    traditional 'computer' IMO (and the opinions of more than a few journos).
    --
    /Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
    cozy little classification in the DSM."
    David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
     
    ~misfit~, Apr 12, 2013
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  5. ~misfit~

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs Peter Huebner wrote:
    > In article <kk6dim$noe$>,
    > says...
    >>
    >> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10876853
    >>
    >> [Excerpt:]

    >
    > It seems a slightly preposterous notion to me. It's like saying "the
    > rebranding of shell petrol stations as Z has destroyed car sales".
    >
    > If people are buying fewer computers, desktop or schlepptop, then that
    > probably is mostly due to the customer's perception that they can do
    > whatever it is they want to do on smaller mobile devices (and why not,
    > if that's all they want to do) and/or fashion accessory slavery (I see
    > the ipad-iphone thing as largely fashion driven myself).
    >
    > I can only liken it to my current situation: many many travellers are
    > perfectly happy recording their holiday snaps with a ciggy-pack-sized
    > point and click camera where I lug 10kg's worth of photographic
    > equipment around. We just have different needs.
    >
    > You can say what you want about Win8 .. like geoff suggested about the
    > first thing I did was dump the tiles based interface, install a
    > stardock programmed start-button modification that gives it
    > more/better functionality, and I basically don't see a difference
    > from former OSs. Except that I've been assured (maybe falsely?) that
    > Win8 seems a lot less demanding of the hardware -- I was told that
    > laptops developed for Win8 take a big performance hit when
    > re-installed with Win7. Since I personally haven't seen the need to
    > undertake that experiment I can't say yay or nay.


    Agreed Peter, agreed. However you hardly represent the masive majority of
    computing-device buyers (That's a compliment BTW. ;) )

    Please see my reply to geoff for my reasoning. Sorry, I have to go pick up
    my meds so can't write in more depth right now. (Damn annoying only being
    able to get a maximum of 10 days worth at a time!!!)
    --
    /Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
    cozy little classification in the DSM."
    David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
     
    ~misfit~, Apr 12, 2013
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    Gordon Guest

    On 2013-04-11, ~misfit~ <> wrote:
    > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10876853
    >
    > [Excerpt:]
    >
    > "In an attempt to keep the PC relevant, Microsoft released a radical new
    > version of Windows on October 26. Windows 8 has a completely new look and
    > forces users to learn new ways to control their machines.
    > "Unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only didn't
    > provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the
    > market," IDC Vice President Bob O'Donnell said."
    >
    > [/Excerpt]
    >
    > Am I the only person reminded of the fable of the greedy dog who had a nice
    > meaty bone and, on crossing a bridge saw his reflection below him in the
    > water. He wanted the other bone that he saw too so he opened his mouth to
    > grab it and - of course, lost the bone he had in the process.


    This is about Ms Soft thinking that one size fits all. About how we must get
    into the app store scene and created something for mobile/swipe machines.

    If it gave the PC user the oppotunity to leave metro to the swipers then it
    would have done so much better. Underneath the tiles Ms Windows 8 is a
    evolutionary step.

    Then again there are people who are saying the PC is dead, or will be in a
    few years, because we have all gone mobile. History begs to differ, pencils
    are still made by the million, newspapers are still sold, picture theatres
    are still surviving.

    The desktop PC has more power than any mobile device will ever have.
    Sometimes real grunt, raw power is the tool needed. About to crank up
    handbrake.
     
    Gordon, Apr 12, 2013
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  7. ~misfit~

    Gordon Guest

    On 2013-04-11, ~misfit~ <> wrote:
    > Somewhere on teh intarwebs ~misfit~ wrote:
    >> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10876853
    >>
    >> [Excerpt:]
    >>
    >> "In an attempt to keep the PC relevant, Microsoft released a radical
    >> new version of Windows on October 26. Windows 8 has a completely new
    >> look and forces users to learn new ways to control their machines.
    >> "Unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only
    >> didn't provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have
    >> slowed the market," IDC Vice President Bob O'Donnell said."
    >>
    >> [/Excerpt]
    >>
    >> Am I the only person reminded of the fable of the greedy dog who had
    >> a nice meaty bone and, on crossing a bridge saw his reflection below
    >> him in the water. He wanted the other bone that he saw too so he
    >> opened his mouth to grab it and - of course, lost the bone he had in
    >> the process.

    >
    > Just saw this too:
    >
    > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9238326/Windows_8_takes_blame_for_brutal_PC_sales_slide
    >

    I think the slide was on, MS just jumped on, or rather tried to jump off.

    The interesting point here is that people still see MS as associated with
    the PC desktop. When it is trying to sell you stuff from the store.
     
    Gordon, Apr 12, 2013
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    Ralph Fox Guest

    On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 08:44:46 +1200, geoff wrote:

    > For sure. And the first thing anybody that operates by keyboard/mouse, or
    > has a touch-screen but doesn't want to squint through a smeary screen all
    > day does, is remove all the things that make W8 different to W7 !



    I operate by keyboard/mouse. I have not needed to remove anything from
    Win8 to use it.

    The Start screen is like the Program Manager from Windows 3.1 (if you do
    remember the Program Manager). It starts my desktop applications, which
    run in the Win8 desktop just the same as how they used to run in the Win7
    desktop.


    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph
     
    Ralph Fox, Apr 12, 2013
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  9. In article <kk86ok$2hp$>,
    says...
    > Also, in this theoretical scenario it would be the fact that the tablet,
    > running a tablet-centric OS was far more user-friendly than a aptop running
    > a tablet-friendly OS. If I were used to a laptop, were looking to replace
    > the laptop and I was shown machines running W7 then I'd likely go for
    > another laptop.
    >
    > Bottom line: MS are (prematurely) hammering nails into the coffin of the
    > traditional 'computer' IMO (and the opinions of more than a few journos).
    > --
    > /Shaun.
    >
    >


    When I went laptop shopping in December there were quite a lot of
    buisiness oriented Laptops (and some pretty grunty ones at that) still
    offered with Win7. In fact I had the very same option. I went with Win8
    because of what I'd been told about its demand on hardware and
    thepossibility that it had been better optimised for battery life.

    cheers, -P. from Coffs Harbour tonight.
     
    Peter Huebner, Apr 12, 2013
    #9
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    Gib Bogle Guest

    On 12/04/2013 1:27 a.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10876853
    >
    > [Excerpt:]
    >
    > "In an attempt to keep the PC relevant, Microsoft released a radical new
    > version of Windows on October 26. Windows 8 has a completely new look and
    > forces users to learn new ways to control their machines.
    > "Unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only didn't
    > provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the
    > market," IDC Vice President Bob O'Donnell said."
    >
    > [/Excerpt]
    >
    > Am I the only person reminded of the fable of the greedy dog who had a nice
    > meaty bone and, on crossing a bridge saw his reflection below him in the
    > water. He wanted the other bone that he saw too so he opened his mouth to
    > grab it and - of course, lost the bone he had in the process.
    >



    What worries me about the popularity of smart phones, tablets and pads
    is that the economies of scale in PC production will presumably become
    less effective, and I'll have to pay more for the powerful desktop
    machine that I need.
     
    Gib Bogle, Apr 12, 2013
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    victor Guest

    On 13/04/2013 8:32 a.m., Gib Bogle wrote:
    > On 12/04/2013 1:27 a.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    >> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10876853
    >>
    >>
    >> [Excerpt:]
    >>
    >> "In an attempt to keep the PC relevant, Microsoft released a radical new
    >> version of Windows on October 26. Windows 8 has a completely new look and
    >> forces users to learn new ways to control their machines.
    >> "Unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only didn't
    >> provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the
    >> market," IDC Vice President Bob O'Donnell said."
    >>
    >> [/Excerpt]
    >>
    >> Am I the only person reminded of the fable of the greedy dog who had a
    >> nice
    >> meaty bone and, on crossing a bridge saw his reflection below him in the
    >> water. He wanted the other bone that he saw too so he opened his mouth to
    >> grab it and - of course, lost the bone he had in the process.
    >>

    >
    >
    > What worries me about the popularity of smart phones, tablets and pads
    > is that the economies of scale in PC production will presumably become
    > less effective, and I'll have to pay more for the powerful desktop
    > machine that I need.


    You are right, but probably not that much more.
    You could also be able to access more processing power online via Amazon
    EC2 Microsoft Azure etc via RDP or VNC etc, because all these app driven
    devices are driving the growth of cloud processing.
    Microsoft needs to be in that market to survive.
     
    victor, Apr 13, 2013
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    Enkidu Guest

    On 13/04/13 08:32, Gib Bogle wrote:
    > On 12/04/2013 1:27 a.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    >> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10876853
    >>
    >>
    >> [Excerpt:]
    >>
    >> "In an attempt to keep the PC relevant, Microsoft released a radical new
    >> version of Windows on October 26. Windows 8 has a completely new look and
    >> forces users to learn new ways to control their machines.
    >> "Unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only didn't
    >> provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the
    >> market," IDC Vice President Bob O'Donnell said."
    >>
    >> [/Excerpt]
    >>
    >> Am I the only person reminded of the fable of the greedy dog who had a
    >> nice
    >> meaty bone and, on crossing a bridge saw his reflection below him in the
    >> water. He wanted the other bone that he saw too so he opened his mouth to
    >> grab it and - of course, lost the bone he had in the process.
    >>

    >
    >
    > What worries me about the popularity of smart phones, tablets and pads
    > is that the economies of scale in PC production will presumably become
    > less effective, and I'll have to pay more for the powerful desktop
    > machine that I need.
    >

    The costs of production in the slave shops of Asia are still falling,
    apparently. Look out for rises in prices as the human rights advocates
    force the production facilities to change. (Not that I'm suggesting that
    the slave shops should be allowed to continue of course). That'll affect
    the phones and tablet prices too of course.

    I'd say that the desktop market is driven by businesses, but except for
    developers, most businesses are handing out laptops to individuals and
    using specialised kit for servers, so you may be right.

    Cheers,

    Cliff
     
    Enkidu, Apr 13, 2013
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    geopelia Guest

    "Crash McBash" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 01:27:14 +1200, "~misfit~"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10876853
    >>
    >>[Excerpt:]
    >>
    >>"In an attempt to keep the PC relevant, Microsoft released a radical new
    >>version of Windows on October 26. Windows 8 has a completely new look and
    >>forces users to learn new ways to control their machines.
    >>"Unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only didn't
    >>provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the
    >>market," IDC Vice President Bob O'Donnell said."
    >>
    >>[/Excerpt]
    >>
    >>Am I the only person reminded of the fable of the greedy dog who had a
    >>nice
    >>meaty bone and, on crossing a bridge saw his reflection below him in the
    >>water. He wanted the other bone that he saw too so he opened his mouth to
    >>grab it and - of course, lost the bone he had in the process.

    >
    > The real issue here is not MS vs non-MS but the evolution of hardware.
    > The first paragraph of that article clearly signals this:
    >
    > =====
    > The ailing personal computer market is getting weaker, and it's
    > starting to look as if it will never fully recover as a new generation
    > of mobile devices reshapes the way people use technology.
    > =====
    >
    > How many smartphone users know or care about the name of the OS on the
    > device they buy?
    >
    > IMHO the smartphone is the current must-have primarily as a fashion
    > accessory but also as a mobile PC accessory. It will be more
    > interesting though as to what happens when those same smartphone users
    > see the limitations on performance and quality. These are areas where
    > the laptop/PC excel and this wont change over the next few years.
    >
    > AIUI MS in Windows 8 have sought to introduce the same sort of
    > touch-screen interface to the OS that is common amongst smartphones.
    > This in part ensures that in the future when smartphone users realise
    > they don't have a PC in their phone, they will find the move back to a
    > modern laptop or PC easy.
    >
    > Personally I don't see the need for a smartphone because it delivers
    > nothing more than my current cellphone and laptop. The tiny screen on
    > smartphones is totally unsuitable as a monitor-replacement.



    Could computer sales have gone down because most people have got a computer
    by now?
    When I got mine about 12 years ago many people still hadn't got one.
    I've just replaced mine (same keyboard, mouse, monitor , printer etc.)
    Still trying to get everything back in order as it was before.
    And I still haven't got a mobile phone.
     
    geopelia, Apr 13, 2013
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    victor Guest

    On 13/04/2013 3:59 p.m., Crash McBash wrote:
    > On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 01:27:14 +1200, "~misfit~"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10876853
    >>
    >> [Excerpt:]
    >>
    >> "In an attempt to keep the PC relevant, Microsoft released a radical new
    >> version of Windows on October 26. Windows 8 has a completely new look and
    >> forces users to learn new ways to control their machines.
    >> "Unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only didn't
    >> provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the
    >> market," IDC Vice President Bob O'Donnell said."
    >>
    >> [/Excerpt]
    >>
    >> Am I the only person reminded of the fable of the greedy dog who had a nice
    >> meaty bone and, on crossing a bridge saw his reflection below him in the
    >> water. He wanted the other bone that he saw too so he opened his mouth to
    >> grab it and - of course, lost the bone he had in the process.

    >
    > The real issue here is not MS vs non-MS but the evolution of hardware.
    > The first paragraph of that article clearly signals this:
    >
    > =====
    > The ailing personal computer market is getting weaker, and it's
    > starting to look as if it will never fully recover as a new generation
    > of mobile devices reshapes the way people use technology.
    > =====
    >
    > How many smartphone users know or care about the name of the OS on the
    > device they buy?
    >
    > IMHO the smartphone is the current must-have primarily as a fashion
    > accessory but also as a mobile PC accessory. It will be more
    > interesting though as to what happens when those same smartphone users
    > see the limitations on performance and quality. These are areas where
    > the laptop/PC excel and this wont change over the next few years.
    >
    > AIUI MS in Windows 8 have sought to introduce the same sort of
    > touch-screen interface to the OS that is common amongst smartphones.
    > This in part ensures that in the future when smartphone users realise
    > they don't have a PC in their phone, they will find the move back to a
    > modern laptop or PC easy.
    >
    > Personally I don't see the need for a smartphone because it delivers
    > nothing more than my current cellphone and laptop. The tiny screen on
    > smartphones is totally unsuitable as a monitor-replacement.
    >


    Smartphone users are generally familiar with PCs and the internet.
    Smartphones aren't standalone devices. Some might be using all the
    social stuff where the phone or tablet is the interface to a datacenter,
    some might be accessing all their dropbox info or keeping track of jobs
    with evernote, or accessing and sharing documentation or drawings. They
    might be using the camera as a scanner or barcode reader, or to keep
    receipts and business cards and notes. They might access traffic reports
    or timetables. Its a whole other set of tools and toys. I'm not a power
    user, but I can see that smartphone utility has changed radically over
    the last few years.
    The reason MS has built the new interface for W8 is because of the apps
    with multitouch and speech recognition which will have to run on tablets
    phones laptops desktops and TVs to make their cloud based Azure platform
    accessible.
    The old PC will still be there underneath for a while. Just like the old
    phone, but MS is trying to maintain their advantage by putting web apps
    on the front screen before you open Chrome.
     
    victor, Apr 13, 2013
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    geopelia Guest

    "geoff" <> wrote in message
    news:D...
    >
    > "geopelia" <> wrote in message
    > news:kkatai$r12$...
    >>

    > .
    >>
    >>
    >> Could computer sales have gone down because most people have got a
    >> computer by now?

    >
    >
    > The sophistication of software, and it's capabilities increase hand in
    > hand with the power and scale of the current technology.
    >
    > If you are happy with the things you could do on you computer 12 years
    > ago, or the quality of your TV, then fine. But there are newer things out
    > there that are sometimes better.
    >
    > Windows 8 isn't one of them though.
    >
    >> And I still haven't got a mobile phone.

    >
    > If you can't think of, or nobody can suggest a reason why you would
    > benefit from having a mobile phone, then there is no reason to have one.
    >
    > geoff


    I would keep it turned off anyway, unless I wanted to send or receive a
    message.
    email is good enough for me.
     
    geopelia, Apr 13, 2013
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs Peter Huebner wrote:
    > In article <kk86ok$2hp$>,
    > says...
    >> Also, in this theoretical scenario it would be the fact that the
    >> tablet, running a tablet-centric OS was far more user-friendly than
    >> a aptop running a tablet-friendly OS. If I were used to a laptop,
    >> were looking to replace the laptop and I was shown machines running
    >> W7 then I'd likely go for another laptop.
    >>
    >> Bottom line: MS are (prematurely) hammering nails into the coffin of
    >> the traditional 'computer' IMO (and the opinions of more than a few
    >> journos). --
    >> /Shaun.

    >
    > When I went laptop shopping in December there were quite a lot of
    > buisiness oriented Laptops (and some pretty grunty ones at that) still
    > offered with Win7.


    Same thing happened with XP and Vivasta - especially with business oriented
    hardware so that it could be integrated easilly into existing
    infrastructure..... And that *was* Dec 2012. ;)

    > In fact I had the very same option. I went with
    > Win8 because of what I'd been told about its demand on hardware and
    > thepossibility that it had been better optimised for battery life.


    Yup, understood. However you're a power-user / IT guy so, like I said, your
    decision will be different from Joe Punter's.

    How you're getting to enjoy yourself. :)
    --
    /Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
    cozy little classification in the DSM."
    David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
     
    ~misfit~, Apr 14, 2013
    #16
  17. In article <>, "geoff" <> wrote:
    >"geopelia" <> wrote in message
    >news:kkatai$r12$...


    >> Could computer sales have gone down because most people have got a
    >> computer by now?

    >The sophistication of software, and it's capabilities increase hand in hand
    >with the power and scale of the current technology.
    >If you are happy with the things you could do on you computer 12 years ago,
    >or the quality of your TV, then fine. But there are newer things out there
    >that are sometimes better.


    "Sometimes" being the operative word here. Often not ... it's often simply
    that the company selling the new thing has an empty cookie jar. :)


    >Windows 8 isn't one of them though.


    From the little I have seen of it, I want it not at all. I have yet to hear
    convincing reasons why XP is finished. I doubt it is. :)


    >> And I still haven't got a mobile phone.

    >If you can't think of, or nobody can suggest a reason why you would benefit
    >from having a mobile phone, then there is no reason to have one.


    Exactly so, well said. "Why is this a good idea" is an excellent question.
    More of us should be asking this more often. :)
     
    Bruce Sinclair, Apr 15, 2013
    #17
  18. ~misfit~

    Enkidu Guest

    On 15/04/13 11:23, Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    > In article <>, "geoff" <> wrote:
    >> "geopelia" <> wrote in message
    >> news:kkatai$r12$...

    >
    >>> Could computer sales have gone down because most people have got a
    >>> computer by now?

    >> The sophistication of software, and it's capabilities increase hand in hand
    >> with the power and scale of the current technology.
    >> If you are happy with the things you could do on you computer 12 years ago,
    >> or the quality of your TV, then fine. But there are newer things out there
    >> that are sometimes better.

    >
    > "Sometimes" being the operative word here. Often not ... it's often simply
    > that the company selling the new thing has an empty cookie jar. :)
    >
    >
    >> Windows 8 isn't one of them though.

    >
    > From the little I have seen of it, I want it not at all. I have yet to hear
    > convincing reasons why XP is finished. I doubt it is. :)
    >
    >
    >>> And I still haven't got a mobile phone.

    >> If you can't think of, or nobody can suggest a reason why you would benefit
    >>from having a mobile phone, then there is no reason to have one.

    >
    > Exactly so, well said. "Why is this a good idea" is an excellent question.
    > More of us should be asking this more often. :)
    >

    Up to a point. You don't necessarily know how useful you would find
    something until you get one.

    Cheers,

    Cliff
     
    Enkidu, Apr 15, 2013
    #18
  19. In article <516b5746$>, Enkidu <> wrote:
    >On 15/04/13 11:23, Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    >> In article <>, "geoff"

    > <> wrote:
    >>> "geopelia" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:kkatai$r12$...

    >>
    >>>> Could computer sales have gone down because most people have got a
    >>>> computer by now?
    >>> The sophistication of software, and it's capabilities increase hand in hand
    >>> with the power and scale of the current technology.
    >>> If you are happy with the things you could do on you computer 12 years ago,
    >>> or the quality of your TV, then fine. But there are newer things out there
    >>> that are sometimes better.

    >> "Sometimes" being the operative word here. Often not ... it's often simply
    >> that the company selling the new thing has an empty cookie jar. :)
    >>> Windows 8 isn't one of them though.

    >>
    >> From the little I have seen of it, I want it not at all. I have yet to hear
    >> convincing reasons why XP is finished. I doubt it is. :)
    >>>> And I still haven't got a mobile phone.
    >>> If you can't think of, or nobody can suggest a reason why you would benefit
    >>>from having a mobile phone, then there is no reason to have one.

    >> Exactly so, well said. "Why is this a good idea" is an excellent question.
    >> More of us should be asking this more often. :)


    >Up to a point. You don't necessarily know how useful you would find
    >something until you get one.


    Some truth to that - the unknown unknown. But if I haven't missed it/wanted
    to do it already, I'm unlikely to care I reckon. :)
    So far, there's nothing that people have talked about that I want to do. I
    have, OTOH, often asked ... "and why is that a *good* thing ?". :)
     
    Bruce Sinclair, Apr 15, 2013
    #19
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