WINDOWS 7 Build 7201

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Woger, Jun 9, 2009.

  1. Woger

    Woger Guest

    First view


    Very easy to install and fast.

    After bit of stuffing around managed to get replacements of the damaged Rar
    files, the posted had done a Fix but one was still bad, got that from another
    list.


    When I did a WIN 7 compatibly check all was OK but Flagged me that I need to
    update the Drivers for the ITE IDE Controller and the Silicon Image SATA
    controller, from the MS Web site.

    Installed it as a Dual boot System I think, found that Agent news reader will
    only work in XP compatibly mode.

    Plus the Updates 4 listed, only one for my Sound card and the other for my HP
    printer, No updates are listed ITE IDE Controller and the Silicon Image SATA
    controller.

    So the 2 drives that are on the ITE Controller are no longer listed..
    Woger, Jun 9, 2009
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  2. Woger

    Woger Guest

    Second view


    Seems to run a lot faster than XP but is ten times better than VISTA that I
    could not stand, seems very easy to use.

    But the Big problem is Drivers, 2 of my Printers do not have Real VISTA
    Drivers and also my HP Scanner, I can run them in XP SP3 compatibility Mode,
    but is that available in the Home version.?

    Its Illegal in what the Hardware firms are doing and by not supporting
    hardware, even stuff that is working 100% and is only a few years old, I can
    see why most of the Big US firms did not upgrade to VISTA.


    A few bits of XP software runs OK with out the compatibility mode, one like
    Powerdesk 7, this surprised me..


    Funny think is that WIN 7 Had new drivers for my Old HP 6L laser printer.

    Gee even Ford T you can still run them and get parts for them..
    Woger, Jun 9, 2009
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  3. On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:03:32 +1200, Woger <> wrote:

    >First view
    >
    >
    >Very easy to install and fast.
    >
    >After bit of stuffing around managed to get replacements of the damaged Rar
    >files, the posted had done a Fix but one was still bad, got that from another
    >list.
    >
    >
    >When I did a WIN 7 compatibly check all was OK but Flagged me that I need to
    >update the Drivers for the ITE IDE Controller and the Silicon Image SATA
    >controller, from the MS Web site.
    >
    >Installed it as a Dual boot System I think, found that Agent news reader will
    >only work in XP compatibly mode.


    Agent 5 should work fine if installed from scratch. If you have an
    old install, the data files are in the wrong place - Vista and Win 7
    do not allow programs to write to anything under "\Program Files"
    unless User Account Control is off. The data files can be moved and
    then it will not need compatibility mode. See:


    http://www.forteinc.com/agent/faq.php#89F076BDE660130C85257195007EDCDF

    >Plus the Updates 4 listed, only one for my Sound card and the other for my HP
    >printer, No updates are listed ITE IDE Controller and the Silicon Image SATA
    >controller.
    >
    >So the 2 drives that are on the ITE Controller are no longer listed..
    Stephen Worthington, Jun 9, 2009
    #3
  4. Woger

    Woger Guest

    On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:15:23 +1200, Stephen Worthington
    <34.nz56.remove_numbers> wrote:

    >On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:03:32 +1200, Woger <> wrote:
    >
    >>First view
    >>
    >>
    >>Very easy to install and fast.
    >>
    >>After bit of stuffing around managed to get replacements of the damaged Rar
    >>files, the posted had done a Fix but one was still bad, got that from another
    >>list.
    >>
    >>
    >>When I did a WIN 7 compatibly check all was OK but Flagged me that I need to
    >>update the Drivers for the ITE IDE Controller and the Silicon Image SATA
    >>controller, from the MS Web site.
    >>
    >>Installed it as a Dual boot System I think, found that Agent news reader will
    >>only work in XP compatibly mode.

    >
    >Agent 5 should work fine if installed from scratch. If you have an
    >old install, the data files are in the wrong place - Vista and Win 7
    >do not allow programs to write to anything under "\Program Files"
    >unless User Account Control is off. The data files can be moved and
    >then it will not need compatibility mode. See:
    >
    >
    >http://www.forteinc.com/agent/faq.php#89F076BDE660130C85257195007EDCDF





    Not a Good Move I think I will stay with XP as I do not want a Bloated Boot
    Partition, I like the choice to place my files, if the Boot partition is not
    large enough were will the User files go..?

    So can the USER file be moved..?


    >>Plus the Updates 4 listed, only one for my Sound card and the other for my HP
    >>printer, No updates are listed ITE IDE Controller and the Silicon Image SATA
    >>controller.
    >>
    >>So the 2 drives that are on the ITE Controller are no longer listed..
    Woger, Jun 9, 2009
    #4
  5. Woger

    Richard Guest

    Woger wrote:
    >
    > Second view
    >
    >
    > Seems to run a lot faster than XP but is ten times better than VISTA that I
    > could not stand, seems very easy to use.


    Well thats a good start.

    > But the Big problem is Drivers, 2 of my Printers do not have Real VISTA
    > Drivers and also my HP Scanner, I can run them in XP SP3 compatibility Mode,
    > but is that available in the Home version.?
    >
    > Its Illegal in what the Hardware firms are doing and by not supporting
    > hardware, even stuff that is working 100% and is only a few years old, I can
    > see why most of the Big US firms did not upgrade to VISTA.


    No, its not illegal what hardware firms are doing, they never said it
    will work on operating systems that were not made when they sold you the
    hardware.

    Please explain how you came to the conclusion that it is illegal?

    > A few bits of XP software runs OK with out the compatibility mode, one like
    > Powerdesk 7, this surprised me..


    I have not had to use that at all on my install of 7100 - perhaps I dont
    use old software to the extent that you do?

    > Funny think is that WIN 7 Had new drivers for my Old HP 6L laser printer.


    because its the basis for hundreds of compatible printer drivers, and
    its a pretty basic driver.

    Really there isnt any reason that all the graphical printers shouldnt
    work - its just a pretty basic thing that converts a large image into
    the format that the printer accepts - not like older printers that do
    fonts and scaling and dithering and stuff in the printer (normally very
    very slowly)

    > Gee even Ford T you can still run them and get parts for them..


    yes, and you accept the fact that it drives unlike any other car made
    today and that you have to go to some exotic mechanic who knows anything
    about them.
    Richard, Jun 10, 2009
    #5
  6. Woger

    Woger Guest

    On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:16:31 +1200, Richard <> wrote:

    >Woger wrote:
    >>
    >> Second view
    >>
    >>
    >> Seems to run a lot faster than XP but is ten times better than VISTA that I
    >> could not stand, seems very easy to use.

    >
    >Well thats a good start.
    >
    >> But the Big problem is Drivers, 2 of my Printers do not have Real VISTA
    >> Drivers and also my HP Scanner, I can run them in XP SP3 compatibility Mode,
    >> but is that available in the Home version.?
    >>
    >> Its Illegal in what the Hardware firms are doing and by not supporting
    >> hardware, even stuff that is working 100% and is only a few years old, I can
    >> see why most of the Big US firms did not upgrade to VISTA.

    >
    >No, its not illegal what hardware firms are doing, they never said it
    >will work on operating systems that were not made when they sold you the
    >hardware.
    >
    >Please explain how you came to the conclusion that it is illegal?




    Consumers Guarantee Act, I think a product has to have 7 years support.

    >> A few bits of XP software runs OK with out the compatibility mode, one like
    >> Powerdesk 7, this surprised me..

    >
    >I have not had to use that at all on my install of 7100 - perhaps I dont
    >use old software to the extent that you do?




    Its a Must have for all Windows, it does things that you just can't do with
    Windows, plus its not that old, as its called Powerdesk 7.


    >> Funny think is that WIN 7 Had new drivers for my Old HP 6L laser printer.

    >
    >because its the basis for hundreds of compatible printer drivers, and
    >its a pretty basic driver.
    >
    >Really there isnt any reason that all the graphical printers shouldnt
    >work - its just a pretty basic thing that converts a large image into
    >the format that the printer accepts - not like older printers that do
    >fonts and scaling and dithering and stuff in the printer (normally very
    >very slowly)
    >
    >> Gee even Ford T you can still run them and get parts for them..

    >
    >yes, and you accept the fact that it drives unlike any other car made
    >today and that you have to go to some exotic mechanic who knows anything
    >about them.




    Yes but my HP Scanner works very well 5470C and my Epson R210 but don't
    have Full Drivers only very limited ones.


    Have not tried my Panasonic Dyesub printer yet..
    Woger, Jun 10, 2009
    #6
  7. Woger

    Ralph Fox Guest

    On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:04:47 +1200, in message <>
    Woger <> wrote:

    > On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:15:23 +1200, Stephen Worthington
    > <34.nz56.remove_numbers> wrote:
    >
    > >Agent 5 should work fine if installed from scratch. If you have an
    > >old install, the data files are in the wrong place - Vista and Win 7
    > >do not allow programs to write to anything under "\Program Files"
    > >unless User Account Control is off. The data files can be moved and
    > >then it will not need compatibility mode. See:
    > >
    > >
    > >http://www.forteinc.com/agent/faq.php#89F076BDE660130C85257195007EDCDF

    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Not a Good Move I think I will stay with XP as I do not want a Bloated Boot
    > Partition, I like the choice to place my files, if the Boot partition is not
    > large enough were will the User files go..?
    >
    > So can the USER file be moved..?



    For instructions, read the Agent 5.0 help file page at
    Help » Index » Data Folder (or Data Directory) » How to Move the Data Folder


    --
    Regards
    Ralph
    Ralph Fox, Jun 10, 2009
    #7
  8. Woger

    Woger Guest

    On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:35:11 +1200, Ralph Fox <> wrote:

    >On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:04:47 +1200, in message <>
    >Woger <> wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:15:23 +1200, Stephen Worthington
    >> <34.nz56.remove_numbers> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Agent 5 should work fine if installed from scratch. If you have an
    >> >old install, the data files are in the wrong place - Vista and Win 7
    >> >do not allow programs to write to anything under "\Program Files"
    >> >unless User Account Control is off. The data files can be moved and
    >> >then it will not need compatibility mode. See:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >http://www.forteinc.com/agent/faq.php#89F076BDE660130C85257195007EDCDF

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Not a Good Move I think I will stay with XP as I do not want a Bloated Boot
    >> Partition, I like the choice to place my files, if the Boot partition is not
    >> large enough were will the User files go..?
    >>
    >> So can the USER file be moved..?

    >
    >
    >For instructions, read the Agent 5.0 help file page at
    >Help » Index » Data Folder (or Data Directory) » How to Move the Data Folder




    No I need to Move the WIN 7 USER Folder so that it does not load up my Boot
    Partition.


    There are 2 Parts to Agent the Agent Folder and the Agent Data folder, are we
    just refereeing to all of it or just the Data folder..?
    Woger, Jun 11, 2009
    #8
  9. On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:18:01 +1200, Woger <> wrote:

    >On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:35:11 +1200, Ralph Fox <> wrote:
    >
    >>On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:04:47 +1200, in message <>
    >>Woger <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:15:23 +1200, Stephen Worthington
    >>> <34.nz56.remove_numbers> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> >Agent 5 should work fine if installed from scratch. If you have an
    >>> >old install, the data files are in the wrong place - Vista and Win 7
    >>> >do not allow programs to write to anything under "\Program Files"
    >>> >unless User Account Control is off. The data files can be moved and
    >>> >then it will not need compatibility mode. See:
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> >http://www.forteinc.com/agent/faq.php#89F076BDE660130C85257195007EDCDF
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Not a Good Move I think I will stay with XP as I do not want a Bloated Boot
    >>> Partition, I like the choice to place my files, if the Boot partition is not
    >>> large enough were will the User files go..?
    >>>
    >>> So can the USER file be moved..?

    >>
    >>
    >>For instructions, read the Agent 5.0 help file page at
    >>Help » Index » Data Folder (or Data Directory) » How to Move the Data Folder

    >
    >
    >
    >No I need to Move the WIN 7 USER Folder so that it does not load up my Boot
    >Partition.


    I believe it is possible to move the USER directory for any particular
    user in Vista, so it is likely to be the same in Win 7. I recall
    running across a web page about how to do it, but I have no idea now
    where it was.

    >There are 2 Parts to Agent the Agent Folder and the Agent Data folder, are we
    >just refereeing to all of it or just the Data folder..?


    The data folder goes into the USER directory. The programs remain
    where they are. Just follow the instructions in the help file that
    Ralph Fox pointed you to. It is all explained there.
    Stephen Worthington, Jun 11, 2009
    #9
  10. Woger

    Richard Guest

    Woger wrote:
    >>
    >> Please explain how you came to the conclusion that it is illegal?

    >
    >
    >
    > Consumers Guarantee Act, I think a product has to have 7 years support.


    Still works on the OS's that they supported when it was sold 7 years laters.

    >>> A few bits of XP software runs OK with out the compatibility mode, one like
    >>> Powerdesk 7, this surprised me..

    >> I have not had to use that at all on my install of 7100 - perhaps I dont
    >> use old software to the extent that you do?

    >
    > Its a Must have for all Windows, it does things that you just can't do with
    > Windows, plus its not that old, as its called Powerdesk 7.


    What does it do that you find that windows lacks in?


    >>> Funny think is that WIN 7 Had new drivers for my Old HP 6L laser printer.

    >> because its the basis for hundreds of compatible printer drivers, and
    >> its a pretty basic driver.
    >>
    >> Really there isnt any reason that all the graphical printers shouldnt
    >> work - its just a pretty basic thing that converts a large image into
    >> the format that the printer accepts - not like older printers that do
    >> fonts and scaling and dithering and stuff in the printer (normally very
    >> very slowly)
    >>
    >>> Gee even Ford T you can still run them and get parts for them..

    >> yes, and you accept the fact that it drives unlike any other car made
    >> today and that you have to go to some exotic mechanic who knows anything
    >> about them.

    >
    >
    >
    > Yes but my HP Scanner works very well 5470C and my Epson R210 but don't
    > have Full Drivers only very limited ones.
    >
    >
    > Have not tried my Panasonic Dyesub printer yet..


    Why should the companies that make these printers keep making drivers
    for people that choose to upgrade there computer from what was supported
    when it was bought? It is just stupid business practice IMO...
    Richard, Jun 11, 2009
    #10
  11. Woger

    Woger Guest

    On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:22:22 +1200, Richard <> wrote:

    >Woger wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Please explain how you came to the conclusion that it is illegal?

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Consumers Guarantee Act, I think a product has to have 7 years support.

    >
    >Still works on the OS's that they supported when it was sold 7 years laters.
    >
    >>>> A few bits of XP software runs OK with out the compatibility mode, one like
    >>>> Powerdesk 7, this surprised me..
    >>> I have not had to use that at all on my install of 7100 - perhaps I dont
    >>> use old software to the extent that you do?

    >>
    >> Its a Must have for all Windows, it does things that you just can't do with
    >> Windows, plus its not that old, as its called Powerdesk 7.

    >
    >What does it do that you find that windows lacks in?
    >



    Copy/Past Print a Full File path or File name.

    Open a CD/DVD with out it running.

    Plus stacks more


    http://www.avanquest.com/USA/small-business/pc-essentials/file-compression/PowerDesk_Pro_7.html


    >>>> Funny think is that WIN 7 Had new drivers for my Old HP 6L laser printer.
    >>> because its the basis for hundreds of compatible printer drivers, and
    >>> its a pretty basic driver.
    >>>
    >>> Really there isnt any reason that all the graphical printers shouldnt
    >>> work - its just a pretty basic thing that converts a large image into
    >>> the format that the printer accepts - not like older printers that do
    >>> fonts and scaling and dithering and stuff in the printer (normally very
    >>> very slowly)
    >>>
    >>>> Gee even Ford T you can still run them and get parts for them..
    >>> yes, and you accept the fact that it drives unlike any other car made
    >>> today and that you have to go to some exotic mechanic who knows anything
    >>> about them.

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Yes but my HP Scanner works very well 5470C and my Epson R210 but don't
    >> have Full Drivers only very limited ones.
    >>
    >>
    >> Have not tried my Panasonic Dyesub printer yet..

    >
    >Why should the companies that make these printers keep making drivers
    >for people that choose to upgrade there computer from what was supported
    >when it was bought? It is just stupid business practice IMO...
    Woger, Jun 11, 2009
    #11
  12. Woger

    Ralph Fox Guest

    On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:18:01 +1200, in message <>
    Woger <> wrote:

    > X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171


    > No I need to Move the WIN 7 USER Folder so that it does not load up my Boot
    > Partition.


    If you are familiar with Unix or Linux, you will easily pick up how to use
    NTFS junction points to do this for Windows. Here are instructions:
    http://www.starkeith.net/coredump/2009/05/18/how-to-move-your-windows-user-profile-to-another-drive/



    > There are 2 Parts to Agent the Agent Folder and the Agent Data folder, are we
    > just refereeing to all of it or just the Data folder..?



    A. To move the Agent Data folder, read the Agent 5.0 help file page at
    Help » Index » Data Folder (or Data Directory) » How to Move the Data Folder


    B. To put the Agent 5.0 program folder on a different partition,
    run the installer and pick a different location to install it to.

    You could manually move the Agent program folder, but then
    Win 7 (or Vista) might not let Agent change some of the settings at
    Tools » Options » Default Program Settings. This is not a problem
    in earlier versions of Windows.


    --
    Regards
    Ralph

    The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it.
    Ralph Fox, Jun 11, 2009
    #12
  13. Woger

    Mutlley Guest

    Richard <> wrote:

    >Woger wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Please explain how you came to the conclusion that it is illegal?

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Consumers Guarantee Act, I think a product has to have 7 years support.

    >
    >Still works on the OS's that they supported when it was sold 7 years laters.
    >
    >>>> A few bits of XP software runs OK with out the compatibility mode, one like
    >>>> Powerdesk 7, this surprised me..
    >>> I have not had to use that at all on my install of 7100 - perhaps I dont
    >>> use old software to the extent that you do?

    >>
    >> Its a Must have for all Windows, it does things that you just can't do with
    >> Windows, plus its not that old, as its called Powerdesk 7.

    >
    >What does it do that you find that windows lacks in?
    >
    >
    >>>> Funny think is that WIN 7 Had new drivers for my Old HP 6L laser printer.
    >>> because its the basis for hundreds of compatible printer drivers, and
    >>> its a pretty basic driver.
    >>>
    >>> Really there isnt any reason that all the graphical printers shouldnt
    >>> work - its just a pretty basic thing that converts a large image into
    >>> the format that the printer accepts - not like older printers that do
    >>> fonts and scaling and dithering and stuff in the printer (normally very
    >>> very slowly)
    >>>
    >>>> Gee even Ford T you can still run them and get parts for them..
    >>> yes, and you accept the fact that it drives unlike any other car made
    >>> today and that you have to go to some exotic mechanic who knows anything
    >>> about them.

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Yes but my HP Scanner works very well 5470C and my Epson R210 but don't
    >> have Full Drivers only very limited ones.
    >>
    >>
    >> Have not tried my Panasonic Dyesub printer yet..

    >
    >Why should the companies that make these printers keep making drivers
    >for people that choose to upgrade there computer from what was supported
    >when it was bought? It is just stupid business practice IMO...


    Why should you have to go and buy new printers every time M$ brings
    out a new OS?? Work for a printer company??
    Mutlley, Jun 11, 2009
    #13
  14. Woger

    impossible Guest

    "Mutlley" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Richard <> wrote:
    >
    >>Woger wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> Please explain how you came to the conclusion that it is illegal?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Consumers Guarantee Act, I think a product has to have 7 years support.

    >>
    >>Still works on the OS's that they supported when it was sold 7 years
    >>laters.
    >>
    >>>>> A few bits of XP software runs OK with out the compatibility mode,
    >>>>> one like
    >>>>> Powerdesk 7, this surprised me..
    >>>> I have not had to use that at all on my install of 7100 - perhaps I
    >>>> dont
    >>>> use old software to the extent that you do?
    >>>
    >>> Its a Must have for all Windows, it does things that you just can't do
    >>> with
    >>> Windows, plus its not that old, as its called Powerdesk 7.

    >>
    >>What does it do that you find that windows lacks in?
    >>
    >>
    >>>>> Funny think is that WIN 7 Had new drivers for my Old HP 6L laser
    >>>>> printer.
    >>>> because its the basis for hundreds of compatible printer drivers, and
    >>>> its a pretty basic driver.
    >>>>
    >>>> Really there isnt any reason that all the graphical printers shouldnt
    >>>> work - its just a pretty basic thing that converts a large image into
    >>>> the format that the printer accepts - not like older printers that do
    >>>> fonts and scaling and dithering and stuff in the printer (normally very
    >>>> very slowly)
    >>>>
    >>>>> Gee even Ford T you can still run them and get parts for them..
    >>>> yes, and you accept the fact that it drives unlike any other car made
    >>>> today and that you have to go to some exotic mechanic who knows
    >>>> anything
    >>>> about them.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Yes but my HP Scanner works very well 5470C and my Epson R210 but
    >>> don't
    >>> have Full Drivers only very limited ones.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Have not tried my Panasonic Dyesub printer yet..

    >>
    >>Why should the companies that make these printers keep making drivers
    >>for people that choose to upgrade there computer from what was supported
    >>when it was bought? It is just stupid business practice IMO...

    >
    > Why should you have to go and buy new printers every time M$ brings
    > out a new OS?? Work for a printer company??


    The fact of the matter is that it is **very rare** for any hardware less
    than 5 years old not to be supported in the latest version of Windows. So
    this complaint is really a red herring.
    impossible, Jun 12, 2009
    #14
  15. Woger

    Gordon Guest

    On 2009-06-11, Mutlley <> wrote:
    > Richard <> wrote:
    >
    >>Woger wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> Please explain how you came to the conclusion that it is illegal?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Consumers Guarantee Act, I think a product has to have 7 years support.

    >>
    >>Still works on the OS's that they supported when it was sold 7 years laters.
    >>
    >>>>> A few bits of XP software runs OK with out the compatibility mode, one like
    >>>>> Powerdesk 7, this surprised me..
    >>>> I have not had to use that at all on my install of 7100 - perhaps I dont
    >>>> use old software to the extent that you do?
    >>>
    >>> Its a Must have for all Windows, it does things that you just can't do with
    >>> Windows, plus its not that old, as its called Powerdesk 7.

    >>
    >>What does it do that you find that windows lacks in?
    >>
    >>
    >>>>> Funny think is that WIN 7 Had new drivers for my Old HP 6L laser printer.
    >>>> because its the basis for hundreds of compatible printer drivers, and
    >>>> its a pretty basic driver.
    >>>>
    >>>> Really there isnt any reason that all the graphical printers shouldnt
    >>>> work - its just a pretty basic thing that converts a large image into
    >>>> the format that the printer accepts - not like older printers that do
    >>>> fonts and scaling and dithering and stuff in the printer (normally very
    >>>> very slowly)
    >>>>
    >>>>> Gee even Ford T you can still run them and get parts for them..
    >>>> yes, and you accept the fact that it drives unlike any other car made
    >>>> today and that you have to go to some exotic mechanic who knows anything
    >>>> about them.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Yes but my HP Scanner works very well 5470C and my Epson R210 but don't
    >>> have Full Drivers only very limited ones.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Have not tried my Panasonic Dyesub printer yet..

    >>
    >>Why should the companies that make these printers keep making drivers
    >>for people that choose to upgrade there computer from what was supported
    >>when it was bought? It is just stupid business practice IMO...

    >
    > Why should you have to go and buy new printers every time M$ brings
    > out a new OS?? Work for a printer company??


    Why change to the new Ms Windows make over?
    Gordon, Jun 13, 2009
    #15
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