Win7: Upgrade or Clean Install?

Discussion in 'Windows 64bit' started by Mark H, Jun 29, 2009.

  1. Mark H

    Mark H Guest

    I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade method. The only
    area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter would "drop out"
    randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a computer lock up. I
    won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just point out that
    one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.

    So, that is what I just accomplished.
    What changed?
    Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but even though
    the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use. My wireless
    connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are severely limited
    in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver. Neither improve
    the situation for either network card.

    As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my coprocessors
    and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what they were and
    subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did install the drivers,
    I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included WHQL nVidia
    drivers, which are signed.

    Bottom line:
    Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean Install and the
    later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking issues.
    Mark H, Jun 29, 2009
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  2. Mark H

    Carlos Guest

    Mark,
    Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always have to do
    your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts, whether add-ins or
    embedded chipsets.
    Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more thoroughly and
    you will surely find help here or in the web.
    There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    Carlos

    "Mark H" wrote:

    > I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade method. The only
    > area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter would "drop out"
    > randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a computer lock up. I
    > won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just point out that
    > one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    >
    > So, that is what I just accomplished.
    > What changed?
    > Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but even though
    > the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use. My wireless
    > connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are severely limited
    > in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver. Neither improve
    > the situation for either network card.
    >
    > As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my coprocessors
    > and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what they were and
    > subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did install the drivers,
    > I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included WHQL nVidia
    > drivers, which are signed.
    >
    > Bottom line:
    > Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean Install and the
    > later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking issues.
    >
    >
    Carlos, Jun 29, 2009
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  3. Mark H

    Mark H Guest

    Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in here.

    My comments were relating my experience between the two installs. I used
    Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there would be a
    difference in the final responses.

    No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the "drop out" issue
    with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.) Win7 seems to
    handle USB port power and networking differently than before and some (not
    all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to the adapter (PCI
    or USB.)

    On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning off a feature
    within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power during non-use.
    (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode were disabled
    instead.) This doesn't work for others.

    After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is turned on for the
    device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it is not working
    and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one network card. And,
    download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter to one-half of
    what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some Group Policy,
    or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going to work for Win7
    Home.

    So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't make sense.

    Machine:
    Win7 RC
    Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    M4N72-E
    8 GB DDR2
    9800 GTX+
    Linksys WMP300N
    Linksys WUSB600N




    "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Mark,
    > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always have to do
    > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts, whether add-ins or
    > embedded chipsets.
    > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more thoroughly and
    > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    > Carlos
    >
    > "Mark H" wrote:
    >
    >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade method. The
    >> only
    >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter would "drop
    >> out"
    >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a computer lock
    >> up. I
    >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just point out
    >> that
    >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    >>
    >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    >> What changed?
    >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but even
    >> though
    >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use. My wireless
    >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are severely
    >> limited
    >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver. Neither
    >> improve
    >> the situation for either network card.
    >>
    >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my coprocessors
    >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what they were
    >> and
    >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did install the
    >> drivers,
    >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included WHQL nVidia
    >> drivers, which are signed.
    >>
    >> Bottom line:
    >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean Install and the
    >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking issues.
    >>
    >>
    Mark H, Jun 29, 2009
    #3
  4. Mark H

    Carlos Guest

    Mark,
    I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?

    BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel wireless has
    absolutely no connectivity issues.
    My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working trouble-free with
    his Win 7 x64.

    Carlos
    P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it down? I wanna do
    the same with my Phenom II 920 :)

    "Mark H" wrote:

    > Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in here.
    >
    > My comments were relating my experience between the two installs. I used
    > Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there would be a
    > difference in the final responses.
    >
    > No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the "drop out" issue
    > with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.) Win7 seems to
    > handle USB port power and networking differently than before and some (not
    > all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to the adapter (PCI
    > or USB.)
    >
    > On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning off a feature
    > within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power during non-use.
    > (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode were disabled
    > instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    >
    > After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is turned on for the
    > device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it is not working
    > and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one network card. And,
    > download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter to one-half of
    > what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some Group Policy,
    > or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going to work for Win7
    > Home.
    >
    > So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't make sense.
    >
    > Machine:
    > Win7 RC
    > Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    > M4N72-E
    > 8 GB DDR2
    > 9800 GTX+
    > Linksys WMP300N
    > Linksys WUSB600N
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Mark,
    > > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always have to do
    > > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts, whether add-ins or
    > > embedded chipsets.
    > > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    > > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more thoroughly and
    > > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    > > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    > > Carlos
    > >
    > > "Mark H" wrote:
    > >
    > >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade method. The
    > >> only
    > >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter would "drop
    > >> out"
    > >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a computer lock
    > >> up. I
    > >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just point out
    > >> that
    > >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    > >>
    > >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    > >> What changed?
    > >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but even
    > >> though
    > >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use. My wireless
    > >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are severely
    > >> limited
    > >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver. Neither
    > >> improve
    > >> the situation for either network card.
    > >>
    > >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my coprocessors
    > >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what they were
    > >> and
    > >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did install the
    > >> drivers,
    > >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included WHQL nVidia
    > >> drivers, which are signed.
    > >>
    > >> Bottom line:
    > >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean Install and the
    > >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking issues.
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    Carlos, Jun 29, 2009
    #4
  5. Mark H

    Mark H Guest

    Simple piggy back fin cooler. Nothing else.
    (I actually had it up to 3.8 Ghz, but it would crash on stress tests and
    temps were steadily above 50C under no load. Every day stuff ran fine. It
    will easily go farther, but not without some more expensive cooling. :)
    Mostly I mention it because someone else may have found a link to the
    overclocking and whatever problem I'm experiencing.

    Regarding the dropout with USB adapters, like I said, it's pretty random.
    In fact, after my clean install, the USB adapter "dropped out" again in the
    middle of downloading files (so it was busy, but the computer may have tried
    to sleep), and when Win7 attempts to reset it (Win7 thinks it is working and
    should be asleep, apparently the reset fails) then it crashes the OS.
    Sometimes the crash is a very slow death where everything slowly quits
    responding, and other times, it's fast with a Bug Check of 0x124.

    The other two computers in the house with the same card are just fine.

    "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    news:D...
    > Mark,
    > I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    > Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?
    >
    > BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel wireless has
    > absolutely no connectivity issues.
    > My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    > (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working trouble-free
    > with
    > his Win 7 x64.
    >
    > Carlos
    > P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it down? I wanna do
    > the same with my Phenom II 920 :)
    >
    > "Mark H" wrote:
    >
    >> Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in here.
    >>
    >> My comments were relating my experience between the two installs. I used
    >> Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there would be a
    >> difference in the final responses.
    >>
    >> No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the "drop out" issue
    >> with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.) Win7 seems to
    >> handle USB port power and networking differently than before and some
    >> (not
    >> all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to the adapter
    >> (PCI
    >> or USB.)
    >>
    >> On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning off a feature
    >> within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power during
    >> non-use.
    >> (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode were
    >> disabled
    >> instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    >>
    >> After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is turned on for the
    >> device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it is not
    >> working
    >> and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one network card.
    >> And,
    >> download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter to one-half
    >> of
    >> what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some Group
    >> Policy,
    >> or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going to work for
    >> Win7
    >> Home.
    >>
    >> So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't make sense.
    >>
    >> Machine:
    >> Win7 RC
    >> Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    >> M4N72-E
    >> 8 GB DDR2
    >> 9800 GTX+
    >> Linksys WMP300N
    >> Linksys WUSB600N
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > Mark,
    >> > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always have to
    >> > do
    >> > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts, whether add-ins
    >> > or
    >> > embedded chipsets.
    >> > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    >> > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more thoroughly
    >> > and
    >> > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    >> > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    >> > Carlos
    >> >
    >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade method. The
    >> >> only
    >> >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter would
    >> >> "drop
    >> >> out"
    >> >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a computer lock
    >> >> up. I
    >> >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just point
    >> >> out
    >> >> that
    >> >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    >> >>
    >> >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    >> >> What changed?
    >> >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but even
    >> >> though
    >> >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use. My
    >> >> wireless
    >> >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are severely
    >> >> limited
    >> >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver. Neither
    >> >> improve
    >> >> the situation for either network card.
    >> >>
    >> >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my
    >> >> coprocessors
    >> >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what they
    >> >> were
    >> >> and
    >> >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did install the
    >> >> drivers,
    >> >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included WHQL
    >> >> nVidia
    >> >> drivers, which are signed.
    >> >>
    >> >> Bottom line:
    >> >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean Install and
    >> >> the
    >> >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking issues.
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    Mark H, Jun 29, 2009
    #5
  6. Mark H

    Mark H Guest

    PS. I mention the IPv6 because it is aligned differently than it was in
    Vista. Whether in use, or not, it had "connectivity" and I'm looking for
    differences to find a cause for the random drops.

    "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    news:D...
    > Mark,
    > I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    > Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?
    >
    > BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel wireless has
    > absolutely no connectivity issues.
    > My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    > (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working trouble-free
    > with
    > his Win 7 x64.
    >
    > Carlos
    > P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it down? I wanna do
    > the same with my Phenom II 920 :)
    >
    > "Mark H" wrote:
    >
    >> Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in here.
    >>
    >> My comments were relating my experience between the two installs. I used
    >> Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there would be a
    >> difference in the final responses.
    >>
    >> No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the "drop out" issue
    >> with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.) Win7 seems to
    >> handle USB port power and networking differently than before and some
    >> (not
    >> all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to the adapter
    >> (PCI
    >> or USB.)
    >>
    >> On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning off a feature
    >> within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power during
    >> non-use.
    >> (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode were
    >> disabled
    >> instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    >>
    >> After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is turned on for the
    >> device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it is not
    >> working
    >> and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one network card.
    >> And,
    >> download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter to one-half
    >> of
    >> what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some Group
    >> Policy,
    >> or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going to work for
    >> Win7
    >> Home.
    >>
    >> So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't make sense.
    >>
    >> Machine:
    >> Win7 RC
    >> Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    >> M4N72-E
    >> 8 GB DDR2
    >> 9800 GTX+
    >> Linksys WMP300N
    >> Linksys WUSB600N
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > Mark,
    >> > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always have to
    >> > do
    >> > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts, whether add-ins
    >> > or
    >> > embedded chipsets.
    >> > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    >> > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more thoroughly
    >> > and
    >> > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    >> > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    >> > Carlos
    >> >
    >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade method. The
    >> >> only
    >> >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter would
    >> >> "drop
    >> >> out"
    >> >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a computer lock
    >> >> up. I
    >> >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just point
    >> >> out
    >> >> that
    >> >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    >> >>
    >> >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    >> >> What changed?
    >> >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but even
    >> >> though
    >> >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use. My
    >> >> wireless
    >> >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are severely
    >> >> limited
    >> >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver. Neither
    >> >> improve
    >> >> the situation for either network card.
    >> >>
    >> >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my
    >> >> coprocessors
    >> >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what they
    >> >> were
    >> >> and
    >> >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did install the
    >> >> drivers,
    >> >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included WHQL
    >> >> nVidia
    >> >> drivers, which are signed.
    >> >>
    >> >> Bottom line:
    >> >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean Install and
    >> >> the
    >> >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking issues.
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    Mark H, Jun 29, 2009
    #6
  7. Mark H

    Carlos Guest

    Mark,
    In local area connection (adapter properties) I have:
    IPv4 connectivity: Connected to the Internet
    IPv6 connectivity: Without access to the Internet
    (translated from Spanish into English)
    Carlos

    "Mark H" wrote:

    > PS. I mention the IPv6 because it is aligned differently than it was in
    > Vista. Whether in use, or not, it had "connectivity" and I'm looking for
    > differences to find a cause for the random drops.
    >
    > "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > news:D...
    > > Mark,
    > > I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    > > Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?
    > >
    > > BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel wireless has
    > > absolutely no connectivity issues.
    > > My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    > > (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working trouble-free
    > > with
    > > his Win 7 x64.
    > >
    > > Carlos
    > > P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it down? I wanna do
    > > the same with my Phenom II 920 :)
    > >
    > > "Mark H" wrote:
    > >
    > >> Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in here.
    > >>
    > >> My comments were relating my experience between the two installs. I used
    > >> Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there would be a
    > >> difference in the final responses.
    > >>
    > >> No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the "drop out" issue
    > >> with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.) Win7 seems to
    > >> handle USB port power and networking differently than before and some
    > >> (not
    > >> all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to the adapter
    > >> (PCI
    > >> or USB.)
    > >>
    > >> On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning off a feature
    > >> within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power during
    > >> non-use.
    > >> (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode were
    > >> disabled
    > >> instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    > >>
    > >> After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is turned on for the
    > >> device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it is not
    > >> working
    > >> and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one network card.
    > >> And,
    > >> download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter to one-half
    > >> of
    > >> what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some Group
    > >> Policy,
    > >> or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going to work for
    > >> Win7
    > >> Home.
    > >>
    > >> So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't make sense.
    > >>
    > >> Machine:
    > >> Win7 RC
    > >> Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    > >> M4N72-E
    > >> 8 GB DDR2
    > >> 9800 GTX+
    > >> Linksys WMP300N
    > >> Linksys WUSB600N
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >> > Mark,
    > >> > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always have to
    > >> > do
    > >> > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts, whether add-ins
    > >> > or
    > >> > embedded chipsets.
    > >> > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    > >> > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more thoroughly
    > >> > and
    > >> > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    > >> > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    > >> > Carlos
    > >> >
    > >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade method. The
    > >> >> only
    > >> >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter would
    > >> >> "drop
    > >> >> out"
    > >> >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a computer lock
    > >> >> up. I
    > >> >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just point
    > >> >> out
    > >> >> that
    > >> >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    > >> >> What changed?
    > >> >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but even
    > >> >> though
    > >> >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use. My
    > >> >> wireless
    > >> >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are severely
    > >> >> limited
    > >> >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver. Neither
    > >> >> improve
    > >> >> the situation for either network card.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my
    > >> >> coprocessors
    > >> >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what they
    > >> >> were
    > >> >> and
    > >> >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did install the
    > >> >> drivers,
    > >> >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included WHQL
    > >> >> nVidia
    > >> >> drivers, which are signed.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Bottom line:
    > >> >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean Install and
    > >> >> the
    > >> >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking issues.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >>

    >
    Carlos, Jun 29, 2009
    #7
  8. Mark H

    Mark H Guest

    That's what I have. Good to know I'm not unique and I can disregard IPv6.
    Thanks for your help!

    I'll be looking into the slow transfer speeds this evening. Maybe a new
    thread to focus the topic.

    "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Mark,
    > In local area connection (adapter properties) I have:
    > IPv4 connectivity: Connected to the Internet
    > IPv6 connectivity: Without access to the Internet
    > (translated from Spanish into English)
    > Carlos
    >
    > "Mark H" wrote:
    >
    >> PS. I mention the IPv6 because it is aligned differently than it was in
    >> Vista. Whether in use, or not, it had "connectivity" and I'm looking for
    >> differences to find a cause for the random drops.
    >>
    >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >> news:D...
    >> > Mark,
    >> > I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    >> > Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?
    >> >
    >> > BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel wireless
    >> > has
    >> > absolutely no connectivity issues.
    >> > My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    >> > (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working
    >> > trouble-free
    >> > with
    >> > his Win 7 x64.
    >> >
    >> > Carlos
    >> > P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it down? I wanna
    >> > do
    >> > the same with my Phenom II 920 :)
    >> >
    >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in here.
    >> >>
    >> >> My comments were relating my experience between the two installs. I
    >> >> used
    >> >> Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there would be a
    >> >> difference in the final responses.
    >> >>
    >> >> No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the "drop out"
    >> >> issue
    >> >> with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.) Win7 seems
    >> >> to
    >> >> handle USB port power and networking differently than before and some
    >> >> (not
    >> >> all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to the adapter
    >> >> (PCI
    >> >> or USB.)
    >> >>
    >> >> On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning off a
    >> >> feature
    >> >> within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power during
    >> >> non-use.
    >> >> (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode were
    >> >> disabled
    >> >> instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    >> >>
    >> >> After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is turned on for
    >> >> the
    >> >> device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it is not
    >> >> working
    >> >> and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one network card.
    >> >> And,
    >> >> download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter to
    >> >> one-half
    >> >> of
    >> >> what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some Group
    >> >> Policy,
    >> >> or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going to work for
    >> >> Win7
    >> >> Home.
    >> >>
    >> >> So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't make sense.
    >> >>
    >> >> Machine:
    >> >> Win7 RC
    >> >> Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    >> >> M4N72-E
    >> >> 8 GB DDR2
    >> >> 9800 GTX+
    >> >> Linksys WMP300N
    >> >> Linksys WUSB600N
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >> > Mark,
    >> >> > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always have
    >> >> > to
    >> >> > do
    >> >> > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts, whether
    >> >> > add-ins
    >> >> > or
    >> >> > embedded chipsets.
    >> >> > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    >> >> > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more
    >> >> > thoroughly
    >> >> > and
    >> >> > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    >> >> > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    >> >> > Carlos
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade method.
    >> >> >> The
    >> >> >> only
    >> >> >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter would
    >> >> >> "drop
    >> >> >> out"
    >> >> >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a computer
    >> >> >> lock
    >> >> >> up. I
    >> >> >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just point
    >> >> >> out
    >> >> >> that
    >> >> >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    >> >> >> What changed?
    >> >> >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but even
    >> >> >> though
    >> >> >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use. My
    >> >> >> wireless
    >> >> >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are severely
    >> >> >> limited
    >> >> >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver. Neither
    >> >> >> improve
    >> >> >> the situation for either network card.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my
    >> >> >> coprocessors
    >> >> >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what they
    >> >> >> were
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did install the
    >> >> >> drivers,
    >> >> >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included WHQL
    >> >> >> nVidia
    >> >> >> drivers, which are signed.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Bottom line:
    >> >> >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean Install
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking
    >> >> >> issues.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    Mark H, Jun 29, 2009
    #8
  9. Mark H

    Carlos Guest

    Mark,
    Mine is a Realtek network chipset (not wireless) embedded in the mobo. So it
    is not an exclusive wireless issue.
    Regarding download speeds the also depend on where you are downloading from.
    Have you tried using a download manager?
    I use the old freeware flashget (www.flashget.com). Latest version dates
    back to 2007 but it works in Win 7 x64.
    This program makes several connections (up to 5) to the download site, thus
    increasing the download speed. Handy program also for torrents.
    Carlos
    P.S.: Gotta shave and go to work now!

    "Mark H" wrote:

    > That's what I have. Good to know I'm not unique and I can disregard IPv6.
    > Thanks for your help!
    >
    > I'll be looking into the slow transfer speeds this evening. Maybe a new
    > thread to focus the topic.
    >
    > "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Mark,
    > > In local area connection (adapter properties) I have:
    > > IPv4 connectivity: Connected to the Internet
    > > IPv6 connectivity: Without access to the Internet
    > > (translated from Spanish into English)
    > > Carlos
    > >
    > > "Mark H" wrote:
    > >
    > >> PS. I mention the IPv6 because it is aligned differently than it was in
    > >> Vista. Whether in use, or not, it had "connectivity" and I'm looking for
    > >> differences to find a cause for the random drops.
    > >>
    > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:D...
    > >> > Mark,
    > >> > I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    > >> > Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?
    > >> >
    > >> > BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel wireless
    > >> > has
    > >> > absolutely no connectivity issues.
    > >> > My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    > >> > (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working
    > >> > trouble-free
    > >> > with
    > >> > his Win 7 x64.
    > >> >
    > >> > Carlos
    > >> > P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it down? I wanna
    > >> > do
    > >> > the same with my Phenom II 920 :)
    > >> >
    > >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in here.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> My comments were relating my experience between the two installs. I
    > >> >> used
    > >> >> Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there would be a
    > >> >> difference in the final responses.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the "drop out"
    > >> >> issue
    > >> >> with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.) Win7 seems
    > >> >> to
    > >> >> handle USB port power and networking differently than before and some
    > >> >> (not
    > >> >> all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to the adapter
    > >> >> (PCI
    > >> >> or USB.)
    > >> >>
    > >> >> On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning off a
    > >> >> feature
    > >> >> within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power during
    > >> >> non-use.
    > >> >> (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode were
    > >> >> disabled
    > >> >> instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is turned on for
    > >> >> the
    > >> >> device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it is not
    > >> >> working
    > >> >> and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one network card.
    > >> >> And,
    > >> >> download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter to
    > >> >> one-half
    > >> >> of
    > >> >> what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some Group
    > >> >> Policy,
    > >> >> or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going to work for
    > >> >> Win7
    > >> >> Home.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't make sense.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Machine:
    > >> >> Win7 RC
    > >> >> Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    > >> >> M4N72-E
    > >> >> 8 GB DDR2
    > >> >> 9800 GTX+
    > >> >> Linksys WMP300N
    > >> >> Linksys WUSB600N
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:...
    > >> >> > Mark,
    > >> >> > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always have
    > >> >> > to
    > >> >> > do
    > >> >> > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts, whether
    > >> >> > add-ins
    > >> >> > or
    > >> >> > embedded chipsets.
    > >> >> > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    > >> >> > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more
    > >> >> > thoroughly
    > >> >> > and
    > >> >> > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    > >> >> > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    > >> >> > Carlos
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade method.
    > >> >> >> The
    > >> >> >> only
    > >> >> >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter would
    > >> >> >> "drop
    > >> >> >> out"
    > >> >> >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a computer
    > >> >> >> lock
    > >> >> >> up. I
    > >> >> >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just point
    > >> >> >> out
    > >> >> >> that
    > >> >> >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    > >> >> >> What changed?
    > >> >> >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but even
    > >> >> >> though
    > >> >> >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use. My
    > >> >> >> wireless
    > >> >> >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are severely
    > >> >> >> limited
    > >> >> >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver. Neither
    > >> >> >> improve
    > >> >> >> the situation for either network card.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my
    > >> >> >> coprocessors
    > >> >> >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what they
    > >> >> >> were
    > >> >> >> and
    > >> >> >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did install the
    > >> >> >> drivers,
    > >> >> >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included WHQL
    > >> >> >> nVidia
    > >> >> >> drivers, which are signed.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Bottom line:
    > >> >> >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean Install
    > >> >> >> and
    > >> >> >> the
    > >> >> >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking
    > >> >> >> issues.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >>

    >
    Carlos, Jun 29, 2009
    #9
  10. Mark H

    Mark H Guest

    Again, I'm pointing out a change.
    This desktop unit has not been altered or moved since I did the clean
    install of Win 7 and gets excellent reception (270 Mbps "possible") but is
    lucky to transfer at 54 Mbps.

    Maybe I should detail what is happening:
    Upgrade:
    No change in transfer rates from Vista Ultimate x64.
    USB adapter randomly drops out with it's internet connection while local
    network remains. During this time, Win 7 is attempting to restore the
    connection by resetting the adapter. This results in a lockup that requires
    the power off button to recover. (No blue screens.)
    Move adapter from hub to back of computer and adapter performance
    improves. Only drops out once an hour instead of five. (Power supply issue
    through the USB port.)
    [Did Vista limit transfer rates through USB ports? Found each USB is
    limited to 10%-20% through Device Manager. Win 7 repeatedly tells me my
    device could perform better if it were connected to a 2.0 USB port... it is
    and the driver is up-to-date.]
    Tried removing drivers and reinstalling either MS driver (Broadcom) or
    Linksys driver. (Linksys makes either Broadcom for US, or Atheros for EU)
    No improvement in dropouts.
    Since drop outs appear to be related to "sleep mode" or "power saving", I
    turn both off.
    When Win7 functions are disabled, there is no change in drop outs.
    When driver functions to "Minimize Power Consumption" are turned off,
    there are less drop outs. (These options are not available in the MS
    driver.)

    Clean Install:
    Transfer rates drop by 75%. If multiple downloads are in progress, they
    all seem to have equivalent download speeds which add up to more than a
    single download speed (as if throttling is occurring for the downloads.)
    Connection is excellent (five bars, 270 Mbps possible)
    USB adapter still randomly drops out and crashes the OS. Occassional blue
    screen: 0x124, which confirms a "sleep" issue with the adapter.

    Research on the web finds that the problem is not just a Linksys issue. Nor
    is it limited to x64.
    (I may have the units wrong on the transfer rates, but I'm doing this from
    memory at work.)



    "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Mark,
    > Mine is a Realtek network chipset (not wireless) embedded in the mobo. So

    it
    > is not an exclusive wireless issue.
    > Regarding download speeds the also depend on where you are downloading

    from.
    > Have you tried using a download manager?
    > I use the old freeware flashget (www.flashget.com). Latest version dates
    > back to 2007 but it works in Win 7 x64.
    > This program makes several connections (up to 5) to the download site,

    thus
    > increasing the download speed. Handy program also for torrents.
    > Carlos
    > P.S.: Gotta shave and go to work now!
    >
    > "Mark H" wrote:
    >
    > > That's what I have. Good to know I'm not unique and I can disregard

    IPv6.
    > > Thanks for your help!
    > >
    > > I'll be looking into the slow transfer speeds this evening. Maybe a new
    > > thread to focus the topic.
    > >
    > > "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > Mark,
    > > > In local area connection (adapter properties) I have:
    > > > IPv4 connectivity: Connected to the Internet
    > > > IPv6 connectivity: Without access to the Internet
    > > > (translated from Spanish into English)
    > > > Carlos
    > > >
    > > > "Mark H" wrote:
    > > >
    > > >> PS. I mention the IPv6 because it is aligned differently than it was

    in
    > > >> Vista. Whether in use, or not, it had "connectivity" and I'm looking

    for
    > > >> differences to find a cause for the random drops.
    > > >>
    > > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > > >> news:D...
    > > >> > Mark,
    > > >> > I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    > > >> > Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?
    > > >> >
    > > >> > BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel

    wireless
    > > >> > has
    > > >> > absolutely no connectivity issues.
    > > >> > My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    > > >> > (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working
    > > >> > trouble-free
    > > >> > with
    > > >> > his Win 7 x64.
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Carlos
    > > >> > P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it down? I

    wanna
    > > >> > do
    > > >> > the same with my Phenom II 920 :)
    > > >> >
    > > >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    > > >> >
    > > >> >> Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in here.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> My comments were relating my experience between the two installs.

    I
    > > >> >> used
    > > >> >> Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there would

    be a
    > > >> >> difference in the final responses.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the "drop out"
    > > >> >> issue
    > > >> >> with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.) Win7

    seems
    > > >> >> to
    > > >> >> handle USB port power and networking differently than before and

    some
    > > >> >> (not
    > > >> >> all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to the

    adapter
    > > >> >> (PCI
    > > >> >> or USB.)
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning off a
    > > >> >> feature
    > > >> >> within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power during
    > > >> >> non-use.
    > > >> >> (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode were
    > > >> >> disabled
    > > >> >> instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is turned on

    for
    > > >> >> the
    > > >> >> device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it is

    not
    > > >> >> working
    > > >> >> and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one network

    card.
    > > >> >> And,
    > > >> >> download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter to
    > > >> >> one-half
    > > >> >> of
    > > >> >> what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some Group
    > > >> >> Policy,
    > > >> >> or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going to work

    for
    > > >> >> Win7
    > > >> >> Home.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't make

    sense.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> Machine:
    > > >> >> Win7 RC
    > > >> >> Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    > > >> >> M4N72-E
    > > >> >> 8 GB DDR2
    > > >> >> 9800 GTX+
    > > >> >> Linksys WMP300N
    > > >> >> Linksys WUSB600N
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > > >> >> news:...
    > > >> >> > Mark,
    > > >> >> > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always

    have
    > > >> >> > to
    > > >> >> > do
    > > >> >> > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts, whether
    > > >> >> > add-ins
    > > >> >> > or
    > > >> >> > embedded chipsets.
    > > >> >> > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    > > >> >> > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more
    > > >> >> > thoroughly
    > > >> >> > and
    > > >> >> > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    > > >> >> > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    > > >> >> > Carlos
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade

    method.
    > > >> >> >> The
    > > >> >> >> only
    > > >> >> >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter

    would
    > > >> >> >> "drop
    > > >> >> >> out"
    > > >> >> >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a

    computer
    > > >> >> >> lock
    > > >> >> >> up. I
    > > >> >> >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just

    point
    > > >> >> >> out
    > > >> >> >> that
    > > >> >> >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    > > >> >> >>
    > > >> >> >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    > > >> >> >> What changed?
    > > >> >> >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but

    even
    > > >> >> >> though
    > > >> >> >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use. My
    > > >> >> >> wireless
    > > >> >> >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are

    severely
    > > >> >> >> limited
    > > >> >> >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver.

    Neither
    > > >> >> >> improve
    > > >> >> >> the situation for either network card.
    > > >> >> >>
    > > >> >> >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my
    > > >> >> >> coprocessors
    > > >> >> >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what

    they
    > > >> >> >> were
    > > >> >> >> and
    > > >> >> >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did install

    the
    > > >> >> >> drivers,
    > > >> >> >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included

    WHQL
    > > >> >> >> nVidia
    > > >> >> >> drivers, which are signed.
    > > >> >> >>
    > > >> >> >> Bottom line:
    > > >> >> >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean

    Install
    > > >> >> >> and
    > > >> >> >> the
    > > >> >> >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking
    > > >> >> >> issues.
    > > >> >> >>
    > > >> >> >>
    > > >> >>
    > > >>

    > >
    Mark H, Jun 29, 2009
    #10
  11. Mark H

    Mark H Guest

    An article written in 2006 for Vista may actually address the data transfer
    "throttling" that I'm seeing:
    (And, maybe this will help some others.)
    If your connection from a Vista machine appears slow or hung, here are some
    steps to isolate the cause:

    a.. First, make sure that your firewall and router can support window
    scaling. Some devices from Linksys, Cisco, NetApp, SonicWall, Netgear,
    Checkpoint, D-Link were reported as having problems with window scaling.
    (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934430) (especially, TCP High Performance
    Test) provided by Microsoft to determine your gateway device's compliance.
    b.. Second, check with the manufacturer if a firmware update has been
    issued for your device that can fix the problem. Replace the problematic
    device or update the firmware as suggested by the manufacturer. If the
    router cannot be replaced or if it the device is remote (e.g., a firewall of
    your ISP or corporation)
    c.. Third, If the problem still persists, you can restrict autotuning by
    running "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=restricted" from the
    command prompt. We have found that restricted mode will often allow some of
    the benefits of autotuning with a number of problematic devices.
    d.. Lastly, if all else fails, in order to disable this feature, run
    "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled".
    e.. (In order to reenable autotuning, run "netsh interface tcp set global
    autotuninglevel=normal".)
    Odd that the device would work in Vista and not in Win 7, but hey, it's a
    direction to look!


    "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Mark,
    > Mine is a Realtek network chipset (not wireless) embedded in the mobo. So

    it
    > is not an exclusive wireless issue.
    > Regarding download speeds the also depend on where you are downloading

    from.
    > Have you tried using a download manager?
    > I use the old freeware flashget (www.flashget.com). Latest version dates
    > back to 2007 but it works in Win 7 x64.
    > This program makes several connections (up to 5) to the download site,

    thus
    > increasing the download speed. Handy program also for torrents.
    > Carlos
    > P.S.: Gotta shave and go to work now!
    >
    > "Mark H" wrote:
    >
    > > That's what I have. Good to know I'm not unique and I can disregard

    IPv6.
    > > Thanks for your help!
    > >
    > > I'll be looking into the slow transfer speeds this evening. Maybe a new
    > > thread to focus the topic.
    > >
    > > "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > Mark,
    > > > In local area connection (adapter properties) I have:
    > > > IPv4 connectivity: Connected to the Internet
    > > > IPv6 connectivity: Without access to the Internet
    > > > (translated from Spanish into English)
    > > > Carlos
    > > >
    > > > "Mark H" wrote:
    > > >
    > > >> PS. I mention the IPv6 because it is aligned differently than it was

    in
    > > >> Vista. Whether in use, or not, it had "connectivity" and I'm looking

    for
    > > >> differences to find a cause for the random drops.
    > > >>
    > > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > > >> news:D...
    > > >> > Mark,
    > > >> > I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    > > >> > Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?
    > > >> >
    > > >> > BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel

    wireless
    > > >> > has
    > > >> > absolutely no connectivity issues.
    > > >> > My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    > > >> > (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working
    > > >> > trouble-free
    > > >> > with
    > > >> > his Win 7 x64.
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Carlos
    > > >> > P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it down? I

    wanna
    > > >> > do
    > > >> > the same with my Phenom II 920 :)
    > > >> >
    > > >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    > > >> >
    > > >> >> Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in here.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> My comments were relating my experience between the two installs.

    I
    > > >> >> used
    > > >> >> Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there would

    be a
    > > >> >> difference in the final responses.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the "drop out"
    > > >> >> issue
    > > >> >> with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.) Win7

    seems
    > > >> >> to
    > > >> >> handle USB port power and networking differently than before and

    some
    > > >> >> (not
    > > >> >> all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to the

    adapter
    > > >> >> (PCI
    > > >> >> or USB.)
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning off a
    > > >> >> feature
    > > >> >> within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power during
    > > >> >> non-use.
    > > >> >> (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode were
    > > >> >> disabled
    > > >> >> instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is turned on

    for
    > > >> >> the
    > > >> >> device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it is

    not
    > > >> >> working
    > > >> >> and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one network

    card.
    > > >> >> And,
    > > >> >> download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter to
    > > >> >> one-half
    > > >> >> of
    > > >> >> what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some Group
    > > >> >> Policy,
    > > >> >> or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going to work

    for
    > > >> >> Win7
    > > >> >> Home.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't make

    sense.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> Machine:
    > > >> >> Win7 RC
    > > >> >> Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    > > >> >> M4N72-E
    > > >> >> 8 GB DDR2
    > > >> >> 9800 GTX+
    > > >> >> Linksys WMP300N
    > > >> >> Linksys WUSB600N
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > > >> >> news:...
    > > >> >> > Mark,
    > > >> >> > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always

    have
    > > >> >> > to
    > > >> >> > do
    > > >> >> > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts, whether
    > > >> >> > add-ins
    > > >> >> > or
    > > >> >> > embedded chipsets.
    > > >> >> > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    > > >> >> > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more
    > > >> >> > thoroughly
    > > >> >> > and
    > > >> >> > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    > > >> >> > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    > > >> >> > Carlos
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade

    method.
    > > >> >> >> The
    > > >> >> >> only
    > > >> >> >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter

    would
    > > >> >> >> "drop
    > > >> >> >> out"
    > > >> >> >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a

    computer
    > > >> >> >> lock
    > > >> >> >> up. I
    > > >> >> >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just

    point
    > > >> >> >> out
    > > >> >> >> that
    > > >> >> >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    > > >> >> >>
    > > >> >> >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    > > >> >> >> What changed?
    > > >> >> >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but

    even
    > > >> >> >> though
    > > >> >> >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use. My
    > > >> >> >> wireless
    > > >> >> >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are

    severely
    > > >> >> >> limited
    > > >> >> >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver.

    Neither
    > > >> >> >> improve
    > > >> >> >> the situation for either network card.
    > > >> >> >>
    > > >> >> >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my
    > > >> >> >> coprocessors
    > > >> >> >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what

    they
    > > >> >> >> were
    > > >> >> >> and
    > > >> >> >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did install

    the
    > > >> >> >> drivers,
    > > >> >> >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included

    WHQL
    > > >> >> >> nVidia
    > > >> >> >> drivers, which are signed.
    > > >> >> >>
    > > >> >> >> Bottom line:
    > > >> >> >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean

    Install
    > > >> >> >> and
    > > >> >> >> the
    > > >> >> >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking
    > > >> >> >> issues.
    > > >> >> >>
    > > >> >> >>
    > > >> >>
    > > >>

    > >
    Mark H, Jun 29, 2009
    #11
  12. Mark H

    Mark H Guest

    "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled"
    This had an amazing improvement on internet file transfers!
    Went from 54 Kbps to 253 Kbps transfer speed.

    "Mark H" <> wrote in message
    news:eFvfHVM#...
    > An article written in 2006 for Vista may actually address the data
    > transfer
    > "throttling" that I'm seeing:
    > (And, maybe this will help some others.)
    > If your connection from a Vista machine appears slow or hung, here are
    > some
    > steps to isolate the cause:
    >
    > a.. First, make sure that your firewall and router can support window
    > scaling. Some devices from Linksys, Cisco, NetApp, SonicWall, Netgear,
    > Checkpoint, D-Link were reported as having problems with window scaling.
    > (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934430) (especially, TCP High Performance
    > Test) provided by Microsoft to determine your gateway device's compliance.
    > b.. Second, check with the manufacturer if a firmware update has been
    > issued for your device that can fix the problem. Replace the problematic
    > device or update the firmware as suggested by the manufacturer. If the
    > router cannot be replaced or if it the device is remote (e.g., a firewall
    > of
    > your ISP or corporation)
    > c.. Third, If the problem still persists, you can restrict autotuning by
    > running "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=restricted" from
    > the
    > command prompt. We have found that restricted mode will often allow some
    > of
    > the benefits of autotuning with a number of problematic devices.
    > d.. Lastly, if all else fails, in order to disable this feature, run
    > "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled".
    > e.. (In order to reenable autotuning, run "netsh interface tcp set global
    > autotuninglevel=normal".)
    > Odd that the device would work in Vista and not in Win 7, but hey, it's a
    > direction to look!
    >
    >
    > "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Mark,
    >> Mine is a Realtek network chipset (not wireless) embedded in the mobo. So

    > it
    >> is not an exclusive wireless issue.
    >> Regarding download speeds the also depend on where you are downloading

    > from.
    >> Have you tried using a download manager?
    >> I use the old freeware flashget (www.flashget.com). Latest version dates
    >> back to 2007 but it works in Win 7 x64.
    >> This program makes several connections (up to 5) to the download site,

    > thus
    >> increasing the download speed. Handy program also for torrents.
    >> Carlos
    >> P.S.: Gotta shave and go to work now!
    >>
    >> "Mark H" wrote:
    >>
    >> > That's what I have. Good to know I'm not unique and I can disregard

    > IPv6.
    >> > Thanks for your help!
    >> >
    >> > I'll be looking into the slow transfer speeds this evening. Maybe a new
    >> > thread to focus the topic.
    >> >
    >> > "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >> > news:...
    >> > > Mark,
    >> > > In local area connection (adapter properties) I have:
    >> > > IPv4 connectivity: Connected to the Internet
    >> > > IPv6 connectivity: Without access to the Internet
    >> > > (translated from Spanish into English)
    >> > > Carlos
    >> > >
    >> > > "Mark H" wrote:
    >> > >
    >> > >> PS. I mention the IPv6 because it is aligned differently than it was

    > in
    >> > >> Vista. Whether in use, or not, it had "connectivity" and I'm looking

    > for
    >> > >> differences to find a cause for the random drops.
    >> > >>
    >> > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >> > >> news:D...
    >> > >> > Mark,
    >> > >> > I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    >> > >> > Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel

    > wireless
    >> > >> > has
    >> > >> > absolutely no connectivity issues.
    >> > >> > My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    >> > >> > (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working
    >> > >> > trouble-free
    >> > >> > with
    >> > >> > his Win 7 x64.
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Carlos
    >> > >> > P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it down? I

    > wanna
    >> > >> > do
    >> > >> > the same with my Phenom II 920 :)
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >> Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in
    >> > >> >> here.
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >> My comments were relating my experience between the two installs.

    > I
    >> > >> >> used
    >> > >> >> Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there would

    > be a
    >> > >> >> difference in the final responses.
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >> No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the "drop
    >> > >> >> out"
    >> > >> >> issue
    >> > >> >> with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.) Win7

    > seems
    >> > >> >> to
    >> > >> >> handle USB port power and networking differently than before and

    > some
    >> > >> >> (not
    >> > >> >> all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to the

    > adapter
    >> > >> >> (PCI
    >> > >> >> or USB.)
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >> On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning off a
    >> > >> >> feature
    >> > >> >> within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power during
    >> > >> >> non-use.
    >> > >> >> (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode were
    >> > >> >> disabled
    >> > >> >> instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >> After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is turned on

    > for
    >> > >> >> the
    >> > >> >> device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it is

    > not
    >> > >> >> working
    >> > >> >> and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one network

    > card.
    >> > >> >> And,
    >> > >> >> download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter to
    >> > >> >> one-half
    >> > >> >> of
    >> > >> >> what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some
    >> > >> >> Group
    >> > >> >> Policy,
    >> > >> >> or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going to
    >> > >> >> work

    > for
    >> > >> >> Win7
    >> > >> >> Home.
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >> So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't make

    > sense.
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >> Machine:
    >> > >> >> Win7 RC
    >> > >> >> Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    >> > >> >> M4N72-E
    >> > >> >> 8 GB DDR2
    >> > >> >> 9800 GTX+
    >> > >> >> Linksys WMP300N
    >> > >> >> Linksys WUSB600N
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >> > >> >> news:...
    >> > >> >> > Mark,
    >> > >> >> > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always

    > have
    >> > >> >> > to
    >> > >> >> > do
    >> > >> >> > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts, whether
    >> > >> >> > add-ins
    >> > >> >> > or
    >> > >> >> > embedded chipsets.
    >> > >> >> > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    >> > >> >> > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more
    >> > >> >> > thoroughly
    >> > >> >> > and
    >> > >> >> > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    >> > >> >> > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    >> > >> >> > Carlos
    >> > >> >> >
    >> > >> >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    >> > >> >> >
    >> > >> >> >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade

    > method.
    >> > >> >> >> The
    >> > >> >> >> only
    >> > >> >> >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter

    > would
    >> > >> >> >> "drop
    >> > >> >> >> out"
    >> > >> >> >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a

    > computer
    >> > >> >> >> lock
    >> > >> >> >> up. I
    >> > >> >> >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just

    > point
    >> > >> >> >> out
    >> > >> >> >> that
    >> > >> >> >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    >> > >> >> >>
    >> > >> >> >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    >> > >> >> >> What changed?
    >> > >> >> >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but

    > even
    >> > >> >> >> though
    >> > >> >> >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use.
    >> > >> >> >> My
    >> > >> >> >> wireless
    >> > >> >> >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are

    > severely
    >> > >> >> >> limited
    >> > >> >> >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver.

    > Neither
    >> > >> >> >> improve
    >> > >> >> >> the situation for either network card.
    >> > >> >> >>
    >> > >> >> >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my
    >> > >> >> >> coprocessors
    >> > >> >> >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what

    > they
    >> > >> >> >> were
    >> > >> >> >> and
    >> > >> >> >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did
    >> > >> >> >> install

    > the
    >> > >> >> >> drivers,
    >> > >> >> >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included

    > WHQL
    >> > >> >> >> nVidia
    >> > >> >> >> drivers, which are signed.
    >> > >> >> >>
    >> > >> >> >> Bottom line:
    >> > >> >> >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean

    > Install
    >> > >> >> >> and
    >> > >> >> >> the
    >> > >> >> >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking
    >> > >> >> >> issues.
    >> > >> >> >>
    >> > >> >> >>
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >>
    >> >

    >
    >
    Mark H, Jun 29, 2009
    #12
  13. Mark H

    Carlos Guest

    Now that you mention it...
    http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/...uto-tuning-may-slow-down-network-performance/
    Carlos

    "Mark H" wrote:

    > "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled"
    > This had an amazing improvement on internet file transfers!
    > Went from 54 Kbps to 253 Kbps transfer speed.
    >
    > "Mark H" <> wrote in message
    > news:eFvfHVM#...
    > > An article written in 2006 for Vista may actually address the data
    > > transfer
    > > "throttling" that I'm seeing:
    > > (And, maybe this will help some others.)
    > > If your connection from a Vista machine appears slow or hung, here are
    > > some
    > > steps to isolate the cause:
    > >
    > > a.. First, make sure that your firewall and router can support window
    > > scaling. Some devices from Linksys, Cisco, NetApp, SonicWall, Netgear,
    > > Checkpoint, D-Link were reported as having problems with window scaling.
    > > (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934430) (especially, TCP High Performance
    > > Test) provided by Microsoft to determine your gateway device's compliance.
    > > b.. Second, check with the manufacturer if a firmware update has been
    > > issued for your device that can fix the problem. Replace the problematic
    > > device or update the firmware as suggested by the manufacturer. If the
    > > router cannot be replaced or if it the device is remote (e.g., a firewall
    > > of
    > > your ISP or corporation)
    > > c.. Third, If the problem still persists, you can restrict autotuning by
    > > running "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=restricted" from
    > > the
    > > command prompt. We have found that restricted mode will often allow some
    > > of
    > > the benefits of autotuning with a number of problematic devices.
    > > d.. Lastly, if all else fails, in order to disable this feature, run
    > > "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled".
    > > e.. (In order to reenable autotuning, run "netsh interface tcp set global
    > > autotuninglevel=normal".)
    > > Odd that the device would work in Vista and not in Win 7, but hey, it's a
    > > direction to look!
    > >
    > >
    > > "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > >> Mark,
    > >> Mine is a Realtek network chipset (not wireless) embedded in the mobo. So

    > > it
    > >> is not an exclusive wireless issue.
    > >> Regarding download speeds the also depend on where you are downloading

    > > from.
    > >> Have you tried using a download manager?
    > >> I use the old freeware flashget (www.flashget.com). Latest version dates
    > >> back to 2007 but it works in Win 7 x64.
    > >> This program makes several connections (up to 5) to the download site,

    > > thus
    > >> increasing the download speed. Handy program also for torrents.
    > >> Carlos
    > >> P.S.: Gotta shave and go to work now!
    > >>
    > >> "Mark H" wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > That's what I have. Good to know I'm not unique and I can disregard

    > > IPv6.
    > >> > Thanks for your help!
    > >> >
    > >> > I'll be looking into the slow transfer speeds this evening. Maybe a new
    > >> > thread to focus the topic.
    > >> >
    > >> > "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > >> > news:...
    > >> > > Mark,
    > >> > > In local area connection (adapter properties) I have:
    > >> > > IPv4 connectivity: Connected to the Internet
    > >> > > IPv6 connectivity: Without access to the Internet
    > >> > > (translated from Spanish into English)
    > >> > > Carlos
    > >> > >
    > >> > > "Mark H" wrote:
    > >> > >
    > >> > >> PS. I mention the IPv6 because it is aligned differently than it was

    > > in
    > >> > >> Vista. Whether in use, or not, it had "connectivity" and I'm looking

    > > for
    > >> > >> differences to find a cause for the random drops.
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > >> > >> news:D...
    > >> > >> > Mark,
    > >> > >> > I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    > >> > >> > Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel

    > > wireless
    > >> > >> > has
    > >> > >> > absolutely no connectivity issues.
    > >> > >> > My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    > >> > >> > (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working
    > >> > >> > trouble-free
    > >> > >> > with
    > >> > >> > his Win 7 x64.
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Carlos
    > >> > >> > P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it down? I

    > > wanna
    > >> > >> > do
    > >> > >> > the same with my Phenom II 920 :)
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> >> Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in
    > >> > >> >> here.
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >> My comments were relating my experience between the two installs.

    > > I
    > >> > >> >> used
    > >> > >> >> Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there would

    > > be a
    > >> > >> >> difference in the final responses.
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >> No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the "drop
    > >> > >> >> out"
    > >> > >> >> issue
    > >> > >> >> with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.) Win7

    > > seems
    > >> > >> >> to
    > >> > >> >> handle USB port power and networking differently than before and

    > > some
    > >> > >> >> (not
    > >> > >> >> all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to the

    > > adapter
    > >> > >> >> (PCI
    > >> > >> >> or USB.)
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >> On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning off a
    > >> > >> >> feature
    > >> > >> >> within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power during
    > >> > >> >> non-use.
    > >> > >> >> (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode were
    > >> > >> >> disabled
    > >> > >> >> instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >> After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is turned on

    > > for
    > >> > >> >> the
    > >> > >> >> device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it is

    > > not
    > >> > >> >> working
    > >> > >> >> and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one network

    > > card.
    > >> > >> >> And,
    > >> > >> >> download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter to
    > >> > >> >> one-half
    > >> > >> >> of
    > >> > >> >> what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some
    > >> > >> >> Group
    > >> > >> >> Policy,
    > >> > >> >> or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going to
    > >> > >> >> work

    > > for
    > >> > >> >> Win7
    > >> > >> >> Home.
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >> So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't make

    > > sense.
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >> Machine:
    > >> > >> >> Win7 RC
    > >> > >> >> Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    > >> > >> >> M4N72-E
    > >> > >> >> 8 GB DDR2
    > >> > >> >> 9800 GTX+
    > >> > >> >> Linksys WMP300N
    > >> > >> >> Linksys WUSB600N
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > >> > >> >> news:...
    > >> > >> >> > Mark,
    > >> > >> >> > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always

    > > have
    > >> > >> >> > to
    > >> > >> >> > do
    > >> > >> >> > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts, whether
    > >> > >> >> > add-ins
    > >> > >> >> > or
    > >> > >> >> > embedded chipsets.
    > >> > >> >> > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    > >> > >> >> > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more
    > >> > >> >> > thoroughly
    > >> > >> >> > and
    > >> > >> >> > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    > >> > >> >> > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    > >> > >> >> > Carlos
    > >> > >> >> >
    > >> > >> >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    > >> > >> >> >
    > >> > >> >> >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade

    > > method.
    > >> > >> >> >> The
    > >> > >> >> >> only
    > >> > >> >> >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter

    > > would
    > >> > >> >> >> "drop
    > >> > >> >> >> out"
    > >> > >> >> >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a

    > > computer
    > >> > >> >> >> lock
    > >> > >> >> >> up. I
    > >> > >> >> >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just

    > > point
    > >> > >> >> >> out
    > >> > >> >> >> that
    > >> > >> >> >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    > >> > >> >> >>
    > >> > >> >> >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    > >> > >> >> >> What changed?
    > >> > >> >> >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore, but

    > > even
    > >> > >> >> >> though
    > >> > >> >> >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use.
    > >> > >> >> >> My
    > >> > >> >> >> wireless
    > >> > >> >> >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are

    > > severely
    > >> > >> >> >> limited
    > >> > >> >> >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver.

    > > Neither
    > >> > >> >> >> improve
    > >> > >> >> >> the situation for either network card.
    > >> > >> >> >>
    > >> > >> >> >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my
    > >> > >> >> >> coprocessors
    > >> > >> >> >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out what

    > > they
    > >> > >> >> >> were
    > >> > >> >> >> and
    > >> > >> >> >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did
    > >> > >> >> >> install

    > > the
    > >> > >> >> >> drivers,
    > >> > >> >> >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included

    > > WHQL
    > >> > >> >> >> nVidia
    > >> > >> >> >> drivers, which are signed.
    > >> > >> >> >>
    > >> > >> >> >> Bottom line:
    > >> > >> >> >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean

    > > Install
    > >> > >> >> >> and
    > >> > >> >> >> the
    > >> > >> >> >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having networking
    > >> > >> >> >> issues.
    > >> > >> >> >>
    > >> > >> >> >>
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >>
    > >> >

    > >
    > >

    >
    Carlos, Jun 29, 2009
    #13
  14. Mark H

    tsperling Guest

    Hi, Mark.

    This is certainly interesting, I am about to try and give my slooow
    connection a dose of that steroid treatment - will it require a reboot
    afterwards or is it effective right away?


    Tony. . .


    "Mark H" <> wrote in message
    news:#OC0P6O#...
    > "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled"
    > This had an amazing improvement on internet file transfers!
    > Went from 54 Kbps to 253 Kbps transfer speed.
    >
    > "Mark H" <> wrote in message
    > news:eFvfHVM#...
    >> An article written in 2006 for Vista may actually address the data
    >> transfer
    >> "throttling" that I'm seeing:
    >> (And, maybe this will help some others.)
    >> If your connection from a Vista machine appears slow or hung, here are
    >> some
    >> steps to isolate the cause:
    >>
    >> a.. First, make sure that your firewall and router can support window
    >> scaling. Some devices from Linksys, Cisco, NetApp, SonicWall, Netgear,
    >> Checkpoint, D-Link were reported as having problems with window scaling.
    >> (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934430) (especially, TCP High
    >> Performance
    >> Test) provided by Microsoft to determine your gateway device's
    >> compliance.
    >> b.. Second, check with the manufacturer if a firmware update has been
    >> issued for your device that can fix the problem. Replace the problematic
    >> device or update the firmware as suggested by the manufacturer. If the
    >> router cannot be replaced or if it the device is remote (e.g., a firewall
    >> of
    >> your ISP or corporation)
    >> c.. Third, If the problem still persists, you can restrict autotuning by
    >> running "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=restricted" from
    >> the
    >> command prompt. We have found that restricted mode will often allow some
    >> of
    >> the benefits of autotuning with a number of problematic devices.
    >> d.. Lastly, if all else fails, in order to disable this feature, run
    >> "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled".
    >> e.. (In order to reenable autotuning, run "netsh interface tcp set
    >> global
    >> autotuninglevel=normal".)
    >> Odd that the device would work in Vista and not in Win 7, but hey, it's a
    >> direction to look!
    >>
    >>
    >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> Mark,
    >>> Mine is a Realtek network chipset (not wireless) embedded in the mobo.
    >>> So

    >> it
    >>> is not an exclusive wireless issue.
    >>> Regarding download speeds the also depend on where you are downloading

    >> from.
    >>> Have you tried using a download manager?
    >>> I use the old freeware flashget (www.flashget.com). Latest version dates
    >>> back to 2007 but it works in Win 7 x64.
    >>> This program makes several connections (up to 5) to the download site,

    >> thus
    >>> increasing the download speed. Handy program also for torrents.
    >>> Carlos
    >>> P.S.: Gotta shave and go to work now!
    >>>
    >>> "Mark H" wrote:
    >>>
    >>> > That's what I have. Good to know I'm not unique and I can disregard

    >> IPv6.
    >>> > Thanks for your help!
    >>> >
    >>> > I'll be looking into the slow transfer speeds this evening. Maybe a
    >>> > new
    >>> > thread to focus the topic.
    >>> >
    >>> > "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >>> > news:...
    >>> > > Mark,
    >>> > > In local area connection (adapter properties) I have:
    >>> > > IPv4 connectivity: Connected to the Internet
    >>> > > IPv6 connectivity: Without access to the Internet
    >>> > > (translated from Spanish into English)
    >>> > > Carlos
    >>> > >
    >>> > > "Mark H" wrote:
    >>> > >
    >>> > >> PS. I mention the IPv6 because it is aligned differently than it
    >>> > >> was

    >> in
    >>> > >> Vista. Whether in use, or not, it had "connectivity" and I'm
    >>> > >> looking

    >> for
    >>> > >> differences to find a cause for the random drops.
    >>> > >>
    >>> > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >>> > >> news:D...
    >>> > >> > Mark,
    >>> > >> > I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    >>> > >> > Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?
    >>> > >> >
    >>> > >> > BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel

    >> wireless
    >>> > >> > has
    >>> > >> > absolutely no connectivity issues.
    >>> > >> > My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    >>> > >> > (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working
    >>> > >> > trouble-free
    >>> > >> > with
    >>> > >> > his Win 7 x64.
    >>> > >> >
    >>> > >> > Carlos
    >>> > >> > P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it down? I

    >> wanna
    >>> > >> > do
    >>> > >> > the same with my Phenom II 920 :)
    >>> > >> >
    >>> > >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    >>> > >> >
    >>> > >> >> Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in
    >>> > >> >> here.
    >>> > >> >>
    >>> > >> >> My comments were relating my experience between the two
    >>> > >> >> installs.

    >> I
    >>> > >> >> used
    >>> > >> >> Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there would

    >> be a
    >>> > >> >> difference in the final responses.
    >>> > >> >>
    >>> > >> >> No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the "drop
    >>> > >> >> out"
    >>> > >> >> issue
    >>> > >> >> with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.) Win7

    >> seems
    >>> > >> >> to
    >>> > >> >> handle USB port power and networking differently than before and

    >> some
    >>> > >> >> (not
    >>> > >> >> all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to the

    >> adapter
    >>> > >> >> (PCI
    >>> > >> >> or USB.)
    >>> > >> >>
    >>> > >> >> On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning off a
    >>> > >> >> feature
    >>> > >> >> within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power
    >>> > >> >> during
    >>> > >> >> non-use.
    >>> > >> >> (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode
    >>> > >> >> were
    >>> > >> >> disabled
    >>> > >> >> instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    >>> > >> >>
    >>> > >> >> After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is turned
    >>> > >> >> on

    >> for
    >>> > >> >> the
    >>> > >> >> device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it is

    >> not
    >>> > >> >> working
    >>> > >> >> and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one network

    >> card.
    >>> > >> >> And,
    >>> > >> >> download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter to
    >>> > >> >> one-half
    >>> > >> >> of
    >>> > >> >> what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some
    >>> > >> >> Group
    >>> > >> >> Policy,
    >>> > >> >> or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going to
    >>> > >> >> work

    >> for
    >>> > >> >> Win7
    >>> > >> >> Home.
    >>> > >> >>
    >>> > >> >> So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't make

    >> sense.
    >>> > >> >>
    >>> > >> >> Machine:
    >>> > >> >> Win7 RC
    >>> > >> >> Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    >>> > >> >> M4N72-E
    >>> > >> >> 8 GB DDR2
    >>> > >> >> 9800 GTX+
    >>> > >> >> Linksys WMP300N
    >>> > >> >> Linksys WUSB600N
    >>> > >> >>
    >>> > >> >>
    >>> > >> >>
    >>> > >> >>
    >>> > >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >>> > >> >> news:...
    >>> > >> >> > Mark,
    >>> > >> >> > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you always

    >> have
    >>> > >> >> > to
    >>> > >> >> > do
    >>> > >> >> > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts,
    >>> > >> >> > whether
    >>> > >> >> > add-ins
    >>> > >> >> > or
    >>> > >> >> > embedded chipsets.
    >>> > >> >> > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean install.
    >>> > >> >> > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware more
    >>> > >> >> > thoroughly
    >>> > >> >> > and
    >>> > >> >> > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    >>> > >> >> > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    >>> > >> >> > Carlos
    >>> > >> >> >
    >>> > >> >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    >>> > >> >> >
    >>> > >> >> >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the Upgrade

    >> method.
    >>> > >> >> >> The
    >>> > >> >> >> only
    >>> > >> >> >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my adapter

    >> would
    >>> > >> >> >> "drop
    >>> > >> >> >> out"
    >>> > >> >> >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a

    >> computer
    >>> > >> >> >> lock
    >>> > >> >> >> up. I
    >>> > >> >> >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's just

    >> point
    >>> > >> >> >> out
    >>> > >> >> >> that
    >>> > >> >> >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install Win7.
    >>> > >> >> >>
    >>> > >> >> >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    >>> > >> >> >> What changed?
    >>> > >> >> >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out anymore,
    >>> > >> >> >> but

    >> even
    >>> > >> >> >> though
    >>> > >> >> >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in use.
    >>> > >> >> >> My
    >>> > >> >> >> wireless
    >>> > >> >> >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are

    >> severely
    >>> > >> >> >> limited
    >>> > >> >> >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's driver.

    >> Neither
    >>> > >> >> >> improve
    >>> > >> >> >> the situation for either network card.
    >>> > >> >> >>
    >>> > >> >> >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating my
    >>> > >> >> >> coprocessors
    >>> > >> >> >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out
    >>> > >> >> >> what

    >> they
    >>> > >> >> >> were
    >>> > >> >> >> and
    >>> > >> >> >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did
    >>> > >> >> >> install

    >> the
    >>> > >> >> >> drivers,
    >>> > >> >> >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This included

    >> WHQL
    >>> > >> >> >> nVidia
    >>> > >> >> >> drivers, which are signed.
    >>> > >> >> >>
    >>> > >> >> >> Bottom line:
    >>> > >> >> >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean

    >> Install
    >>> > >> >> >> and
    >>> > >> >> >> the
    >>> > >> >> >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having
    >>> > >> >> >> networking
    >>> > >> >> >> issues.
    >>> > >> >> >>
    >>> > >> >> >>
    >>> > >> >>
    >>> > >>
    >>> >

    >>
    >>
    tsperling, Jun 30, 2009
    #14
  15. Mark H

    Mark H Guest

    Correction:
    normal sets a small window, with a maximum scaling factor of 8
    disabled sets a fixed window, but it's fairly large, no scaling
    restricted sets a window, but is still scalable in some situations
    highlyrestricted sets a window, but is still scalable in less situations
    experimental sets a window, but attempts to scale everything for the
    maximum

    (router and computer have to be able to handle both the window and
    the scaling)

    The article Carlos points to gives a little more information. Google was my
    friend on this one since it allowed me to find some other article on this
    topic that was related to my problem, but the solution was for Vista's beta.
    It was a good find.

    "Mark H" <> wrote in message
    news:%23KlvXlk%...
    > It did kick in on it's on, but out of habit for this type of change, I
    > rebooted anyway.
    > It removes the govenor from the system, so if you have a monitor, you will
    > see spikes in the 1000+Kbps.
    >
    > I figured this would lead to more errors in transmission and an overall
    > slower response, but so far, I'm impressed!
    > There is another more subtle command that maintains a bit of a cap (less
    > errors?):
    > netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=restricted
    >
    > Remeber to run from an elevated C: prompt.
    >
    > "tsperling" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Hi, Mark.
    > >
    > > This is certainly interesting, I am about to try and give my slooow
    > > connection a dose of that steroid treatment - will it require a reboot
    > > afterwards or is it effective right away?
    > >
    > >
    > > Tony. . .
    > >
    > >
    > > "Mark H" <> wrote in message
    > > news:#OC0P6O#...
    > > > "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled"
    > > > This had an amazing improvement on internet file transfers!
    > > > Went from 54 Kbps to 253 Kbps transfer speed.
    > > >
    > > > "Mark H" <> wrote in message
    > > > news:eFvfHVM#...
    > > >> An article written in 2006 for Vista may actually address the data
    > > >> transfer
    > > >> "throttling" that I'm seeing:
    > > >> (And, maybe this will help some others.)
    > > >> If your connection from a Vista machine appears slow or hung, here

    are
    > > >> some
    > > >> steps to isolate the cause:
    > > >>
    > > >> a.. First, make sure that your firewall and router can support

    window
    > > >> scaling. Some devices from Linksys, Cisco, NetApp, SonicWall,

    Netgear,
    > > >> Checkpoint, D-Link were reported as having problems with window

    > scaling.
    > > >> (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934430) (especially, TCP High
    > > >> Performance
    > > >> Test) provided by Microsoft to determine your gateway device's
    > > >> compliance.
    > > >> b.. Second, check with the manufacturer if a firmware update has

    been
    > > >> issued for your device that can fix the problem. Replace the

    > problematic
    > > >> device or update the firmware as suggested by the manufacturer. If

    the
    > > >> router cannot be replaced or if it the device is remote (e.g., a

    > firewall
    > > >> of
    > > >> your ISP or corporation)
    > > >> c.. Third, If the problem still persists, you can restrict

    autotuning
    > by
    > > >> running "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=restricted"

    > from
    > > >> the
    > > >> command prompt. We have found that restricted mode will often allow

    > some
    > > >> of
    > > >> the benefits of autotuning with a number of problematic devices.
    > > >> d.. Lastly, if all else fails, in order to disable this feature, run
    > > >> "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled".
    > > >> e.. (In order to reenable autotuning, run "netsh interface tcp set
    > > >> global
    > > >> autotuninglevel=normal".)
    > > >> Odd that the device would work in Vista and not in Win 7, but hey,

    it's
    > a
    > > >> direction to look!
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > > >> news:...
    > > >>> Mark,
    > > >>> Mine is a Realtek network chipset (not wireless) embedded in the

    mobo.
    > > >>> So
    > > >> it
    > > >>> is not an exclusive wireless issue.
    > > >>> Regarding download speeds the also depend on where you are

    downloading
    > > >> from.
    > > >>> Have you tried using a download manager?
    > > >>> I use the old freeware flashget (www.flashget.com). Latest version

    > dates
    > > >>> back to 2007 but it works in Win 7 x64.
    > > >>> This program makes several connections (up to 5) to the download

    site,
    > > >> thus
    > > >>> increasing the download speed. Handy program also for torrents.
    > > >>> Carlos
    > > >>> P.S.: Gotta shave and go to work now!
    > > >>>
    > > >>> "Mark H" wrote:
    > > >>>
    > > >>> > That's what I have. Good to know I'm not unique and I can

    disregard
    > > >> IPv6.
    > > >>> > Thanks for your help!
    > > >>> >
    > > >>> > I'll be looking into the slow transfer speeds this evening. Maybe

    a
    > > >>> > new
    > > >>> > thread to focus the topic.
    > > >>> >
    > > >>> > "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > > >>> > news:...
    > > >>> > > Mark,
    > > >>> > > In local area connection (adapter properties) I have:
    > > >>> > > IPv4 connectivity: Connected to the Internet
    > > >>> > > IPv6 connectivity: Without access to the Internet
    > > >>> > > (translated from Spanish into English)
    > > >>> > > Carlos
    > > >>> > >
    > > >>> > > "Mark H" wrote:
    > > >>> > >
    > > >>> > >> PS. I mention the IPv6 because it is aligned differently than

    it
    > > >>> > >> was
    > > >> in
    > > >>> > >> Vista. Whether in use, or not, it had "connectivity" and I'm
    > > >>> > >> looking
    > > >> for
    > > >>> > >> differences to find a cause for the random drops.
    > > >>> > >>
    > > >>> > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > > >>> > >> news:D...
    > > >>> > >> > Mark,
    > > >>> > >> > I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    > > >>> > >> > Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?
    > > >>> > >> >
    > > >>> > >> > BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel
    > > >> wireless
    > > >>> > >> > has
    > > >>> > >> > absolutely no connectivity issues.
    > > >>> > >> > My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    > > >>> > >> > (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working
    > > >>> > >> > trouble-free
    > > >>> > >> > with
    > > >>> > >> > his Win 7 x64.
    > > >>> > >> >
    > > >>> > >> > Carlos
    > > >>> > >> > P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it

    down?
    > I
    > > >> wanna
    > > >>> > >> > do
    > > >>> > >> > the same with my Phenom II 920 :)
    > > >>> > >> >
    > > >>> > >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    > > >>> > >> >
    > > >>> > >> >> Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help in
    > > >>> > >> >> here.
    > > >>> > >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >> My comments were relating my experience between the two
    > > >>> > >> >> installs.
    > > >> I
    > > >>> > >> >> used
    > > >>> > >> >> Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there

    > would
    > > >> be a
    > > >>> > >> >> difference in the final responses.
    > > >>> > >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >> No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the

    "drop
    > > >>> > >> >> out"
    > > >>> > >> >> issue
    > > >>> > >> >> with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.)

    > Win7
    > > >> seems
    > > >>> > >> >> to
    > > >>> > >> >> handle USB port power and networking differently than before

    > and
    > > >> some
    > > >>> > >> >> (not
    > > >>> > >> >> all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to

    the
    > > >> adapter
    > > >>> > >> >> (PCI
    > > >>> > >> >> or USB.)
    > > >>> > >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >> On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning

    off
    > a
    > > >>> > >> >> feature
    > > >>> > >> >> within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power
    > > >>> > >> >> during
    > > >>> > >> >> non-use.
    > > >>> > >> >> (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save mode
    > > >>> > >> >> were
    > > >>> > >> >> disabled
    > > >>> > >> >> instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    > > >>> > >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >> After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is

    turned
    > > >>> > >> >> on
    > > >> for
    > > >>> > >> >> the
    > > >>> > >> >> device, but when the properties of the device are viewed, it

    > is
    > > >> not
    > > >>> > >> >> working
    > > >>> > >> >> and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one

    > network
    > > >> card.
    > > >>> > >> >> And,
    > > >>> > >> >> download rates after the clean install are about one-quarter

    > to
    > > >>> > >> >> one-half
    > > >>> > >> >> of
    > > >>> > >> >> what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably some
    > > >>> > >> >> Group
    > > >>> > >> >> Policy,
    > > >>> > >> >> or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going

    to
    > > >>> > >> >> work
    > > >> for
    > > >>> > >> >> Win7
    > > >>> > >> >> Home.
    > > >>> > >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >> So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't

    make
    > > >> sense.
    > > >>> > >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >> Machine:
    > > >>> > >> >> Win7 RC
    > > >>> > >> >> Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    > > >>> > >> >> M4N72-E
    > > >>> > >> >> 8 GB DDR2
    > > >>> > >> >> 9800 GTX+
    > > >>> > >> >> Linksys WMP300N
    > > >>> > >> >> Linksys WUSB600N
    > > >>> > >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    > > >>> > >> >> news:...
    > > >>> > >> >> > Mark,
    > > >>> > >> >> > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you

    > always
    > > >> have
    > > >>> > >> >> > to
    > > >>> > >> >> > do
    > > >>> > >> >> > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts,
    > > >>> > >> >> > whether
    > > >>> > >> >> > add-ins
    > > >>> > >> >> > or
    > > >>> > >> >> > embedded chipsets.
    > > >>> > >> >> > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean

    > install.
    > > >>> > >> >> > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware

    more
    > > >>> > >> >> > thoroughly
    > > >>> > >> >> > and
    > > >>> > >> >> > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    > > >>> > >> >> > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of hardware.
    > > >>> > >> >> > Carlos
    > > >>> > >> >> >
    > > >>> > >> >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    > > >>> > >> >> >
    > > >>> > >> >> >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the

    Upgrade
    > > >> method.
    > > >>> > >> >> >> The
    > > >>> > >> >> >> only
    > > >>> > >> >> >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my

    adapter
    > > >> would
    > > >>> > >> >> >> "drop
    > > >>> > >> >> >> out"
    > > >>> > >> >> >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a
    > > >> computer
    > > >>> > >> >> >> lock
    > > >>> > >> >> >> up. I
    > > >>> > >> >> >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's

    > just
    > > >> point
    > > >>> > >> >> >> out
    > > >>> > >> >> >> that
    > > >>> > >> >> >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install

    Win7.
    > > >>> > >> >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >> >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    > > >>> > >> >> >> What changed?
    > > >>> > >> >> >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out

    anymore,
    > > >>> > >> >> >> but
    > > >> even
    > > >>> > >> >> >> though
    > > >>> > >> >> >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in

    > use.
    > > >>> > >> >> >> My
    > > >>> > >> >> >> wireless
    > > >>> > >> >> >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads are
    > > >> severely
    > > >>> > >> >> >> limited
    > > >>> > >> >> >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's

    driver.
    > > >> Neither
    > > >>> > >> >> >> improve
    > > >>> > >> >> >> the situation for either network card.
    > > >>> > >> >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >> >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems incorporating

    > my
    > > >>> > >> >> >> coprocessors
    > > >>> > >> >> >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure out
    > > >>> > >> >> >> what
    > > >> they
    > > >>> > >> >> >> were
    > > >>> > >> >> >> and
    > > >>> > >> >> >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did
    > > >>> > >> >> >> install
    > > >> the
    > > >>> > >> >> >> drivers,
    > > >>> > >> >> >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This

    included
    > > >> WHQL
    > > >>> > >> >> >> nVidia
    > > >>> > >> >> >> drivers, which are signed.
    > > >>> > >> >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >> >> Bottom line:
    > > >>> > >> >> >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a Clean
    > > >> Install
    > > >>> > >> >> >> and
    > > >>> > >> >> >> the
    > > >>> > >> >> >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having
    > > >>> > >> >> >> networking
    > > >>> > >> >> >> issues.
    > > >>> > >> >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >> >>
    > > >>> > >> >>
    > > >>> > >>
    > > >>> >
    > > >>
    > > >>

    >
    >
    Mark H, Jul 1, 2009
    #15
  16. Mark H

    tsperling Guest

    Alright - this doesn't seem to be a router that is doing any scaling that
    has to be adjusted for - it is just a plain slow connection, as I expected
    because I had the same numbers in XP x64. I tried all the values (arguments;
    parameters) and the variations were small, except perhaps for
    'experimental', which seemed to halve the transfer rate.

    I didn't expect much success, but when I hear stories like this I have to
    try it.

    I will try out Carlos's suggestion for a DownloadManager. FlashGet, I think
    it was - i shall need that!


    Tony. . .


    "Mark H" <> wrote in message
    news:#bn3Jtk#...
    > Correction:
    > normal sets a small window, with a maximum scaling factor of 8
    > disabled sets a fixed window, but it's fairly large, no scaling
    > restricted sets a window, but is still scalable in some situations
    > highlyrestricted sets a window, but is still scalable in less situations
    > experimental sets a window, but attempts to scale everything for the
    > maximum
    >
    > (router and computer have to be able to handle both the window and
    > the scaling)
    >
    > The article Carlos points to gives a little more information. Google was
    > my
    > friend on this one since it allowed me to find some other article on this
    > topic that was related to my problem, but the solution was for Vista's
    > beta.
    > It was a good find.
    >
    > "Mark H" <> wrote in message
    > news:%23KlvXlk%...
    >> It did kick in on it's on, but out of habit for this type of change, I
    >> rebooted anyway.
    >> It removes the govenor from the system, so if you have a monitor, you
    >> will
    >> see spikes in the 1000+Kbps.
    >>
    >> I figured this would lead to more errors in transmission and an overall
    >> slower response, but so far, I'm impressed!
    >> There is another more subtle command that maintains a bit of a cap (less
    >> errors?):
    >> netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=restricted
    >>
    >> Remeber to run from an elevated C: prompt.
    >>
    >> "tsperling" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > Hi, Mark.
    >> >
    >> > This is certainly interesting, I am about to try and give my slooow
    >> > connection a dose of that steroid treatment - will it require a reboot
    >> > afterwards or is it effective right away?
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Tony. . .
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Mark H" <> wrote in message
    >> > news:#OC0P6O#...
    >> > > "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled"
    >> > > This had an amazing improvement on internet file transfers!
    >> > > Went from 54 Kbps to 253 Kbps transfer speed.
    >> > >
    >> > > "Mark H" <> wrote in message
    >> > > news:eFvfHVM#...
    >> > >> An article written in 2006 for Vista may actually address the data
    >> > >> transfer
    >> > >> "throttling" that I'm seeing:
    >> > >> (And, maybe this will help some others.)
    >> > >> If your connection from a Vista machine appears slow or hung, here

    > are
    >> > >> some
    >> > >> steps to isolate the cause:
    >> > >>
    >> > >> a.. First, make sure that your firewall and router can support

    > window
    >> > >> scaling. Some devices from Linksys, Cisco, NetApp, SonicWall,

    > Netgear,
    >> > >> Checkpoint, D-Link were reported as having problems with window

    >> scaling.
    >> > >> (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934430) (especially, TCP High
    >> > >> Performance
    >> > >> Test) provided by Microsoft to determine your gateway device's
    >> > >> compliance.
    >> > >> b.. Second, check with the manufacturer if a firmware update has

    > been
    >> > >> issued for your device that can fix the problem. Replace the

    >> problematic
    >> > >> device or update the firmware as suggested by the manufacturer. If

    > the
    >> > >> router cannot be replaced or if it the device is remote (e.g., a

    >> firewall
    >> > >> of
    >> > >> your ISP or corporation)
    >> > >> c.. Third, If the problem still persists, you can restrict

    > autotuning
    >> by
    >> > >> running "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=restricted"

    >> from
    >> > >> the
    >> > >> command prompt. We have found that restricted mode will often allow

    >> some
    >> > >> of
    >> > >> the benefits of autotuning with a number of problematic devices.
    >> > >> d.. Lastly, if all else fails, in order to disable this feature,
    >> > >> run
    >> > >> "netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled".
    >> > >> e.. (In order to reenable autotuning, run "netsh interface tcp set
    >> > >> global
    >> > >> autotuninglevel=normal".)
    >> > >> Odd that the device would work in Vista and not in Win 7, but hey,

    > it's
    >> a
    >> > >> direction to look!
    >> > >>
    >> > >>
    >> > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >> > >> news:...
    >> > >>> Mark,
    >> > >>> Mine is a Realtek network chipset (not wireless) embedded in the

    > mobo.
    >> > >>> So
    >> > >> it
    >> > >>> is not an exclusive wireless issue.
    >> > >>> Regarding download speeds the also depend on where you are

    > downloading
    >> > >> from.
    >> > >>> Have you tried using a download manager?
    >> > >>> I use the old freeware flashget (www.flashget.com). Latest version

    >> dates
    >> > >>> back to 2007 but it works in Win 7 x64.
    >> > >>> This program makes several connections (up to 5) to the download

    > site,
    >> > >> thus
    >> > >>> increasing the download speed. Handy program also for torrents.
    >> > >>> Carlos
    >> > >>> P.S.: Gotta shave and go to work now!
    >> > >>>
    >> > >>> "Mark H" wrote:
    >> > >>>
    >> > >>> > That's what I have. Good to know I'm not unique and I can

    > disregard
    >> > >> IPv6.
    >> > >>> > Thanks for your help!
    >> > >>> >
    >> > >>> > I'll be looking into the slow transfer speeds this evening. Maybe

    > a
    >> > >>> > new
    >> > >>> > thread to focus the topic.
    >> > >>> >
    >> > >>> > "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >> > >>> > news:...
    >> > >>> > > Mark,
    >> > >>> > > In local area connection (adapter properties) I have:
    >> > >>> > > IPv4 connectivity: Connected to the Internet
    >> > >>> > > IPv6 connectivity: Without access to the Internet
    >> > >>> > > (translated from Spanish into English)
    >> > >>> > > Carlos
    >> > >>> > >
    >> > >>> > > "Mark H" wrote:
    >> > >>> > >
    >> > >>> > >> PS. I mention the IPv6 because it is aligned differently than

    > it
    >> > >>> > >> was
    >> > >> in
    >> > >>> > >> Vista. Whether in use, or not, it had "connectivity" and I'm
    >> > >>> > >> looking
    >> > >> for
    >> > >>> > >> differences to find a cause for the random drops.
    >> > >>> > >>
    >> > >>> > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
    >> > >>> > >> news:D...
    >> > >>> > >> > Mark,
    >> > >>> > >> > I may be wrong here but is IPv6 of any use right now?
    >> > >>> > >> > Aren't we all still on IPv4 for Internet access?
    >> > >>> > >> >
    >> > >>> > >> > BTW, my HP 530 notebook (Win7 7100 x86) with embedded Intel
    >> > >> wireless
    >> > >>> > >> > has
    >> > >>> > >> > absolutely no connectivity issues.
    >> > >>> > >> > My older son has also this cheapo USB wireless adapter
    >> > >>> > >> > (http://www.topcom.net/downloads/letter/S/115.html) working
    >> > >>> > >> > trouble-free
    >> > >>> > >> > with
    >> > >>> > >> > his Win 7 x64.
    >> > >>> > >> >
    >> > >>> > >> > Carlos
    >> > >>> > >> > P.S.: Still bragging about your overclock? Howdya cool it

    > down?
    >> I
    >> > >> wanna
    >> > >>> > >> > do
    >> > >>> > >> > the same with my Phenom II 920 :)
    >> > >>> > >> >
    >> > >>> > >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    >> > >>> > >> >
    >> > >>> > >> >> Thanks Carlos, and I agree... there is a lot of good help
    >> > >>> > >> >> in
    >> > >>> > >> >> here.
    >> > >>> > >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >> My comments were relating my experience between the two
    >> > >>> > >> >> installs.
    >> > >> I
    >> > >>> > >> >> used
    >> > >>> > >> >> Win7 drivers (where available) and found it odd that there

    >> would
    >> > >> be a
    >> > >>> > >> >> difference in the final responses.
    >> > >>> > >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >> No one, on LinkSys, Win7 forums or here have solved the

    > "drop
    >> > >>> > >> >> out"
    >> > >>> > >> >> issue
    >> > >>> > >> >> with Wireless USB adapters. (It's not limited to LinkSys.)

    >> Win7
    >> > >> seems
    >> > >>> > >> >> to
    >> > >>> > >> >> handle USB port power and networking differently than
    >> > >>> > >> >> before

    >> and
    >> > >> some
    >> > >>> > >> >> (not
    >> > >>> > >> >> all) have what can best be described as a lack of power to

    > the
    >> > >> adapter
    >> > >>> > >> >> (PCI
    >> > >>> > >> >> or USB.)
    >> > >>> > >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >> On my machine, I finally overcame it (somewhat) by turning

    > off
    >> a
    >> > >>> > >> >> feature
    >> > >>> > >> >> within the device driver that allowed it to minimize power
    >> > >>> > >> >> during
    >> > >>> > >> >> non-use.
    >> > >>> > >> >> (Note: This didn't work if Win7 settings for Power Save
    >> > >>> > >> >> mode
    >> > >>> > >> >> were
    >> > >>> > >> >> disabled
    >> > >>> > >> >> instead.) This doesn't work for others.
    >> > >>> > >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >> After the clean install, IPv6 doesn't work. The mode is

    > turned
    >> > >>> > >> >> on
    >> > >> for
    >> > >>> > >> >> the
    >> > >>> > >> >> device, but when the properties of the device are viewed,
    >> > >>> > >> >> it

    >> is
    >> > >> not
    >> > >>> > >> >> working
    >> > >>> > >> >> and ipconfig reports it as off. I've tried more than one

    >> network
    >> > >> card.
    >> > >>> > >> >> And,
    >> > >>> > >> >> download rates after the clean install are about
    >> > >>> > >> >> one-quarter

    >> to
    >> > >>> > >> >> one-half
    >> > >>> > >> >> of
    >> > >>> > >> >> what they were when I did the upgrade. There's probably
    >> > >>> > >> >> some
    >> > >>> > >> >> Group
    >> > >>> > >> >> Policy,
    >> > >>> > >> >> or other that needs to be configured, but that's not going

    > to
    >> > >>> > >> >> work
    >> > >> for
    >> > >>> > >> >> Win7
    >> > >>> > >> >> Home.
    >> > >>> > >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >> So, there appear to be some networking issues that didn't

    > make
    >> > >> sense.
    >> > >>> > >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >> Machine:
    >> > >>> > >> >> Win7 RC
    >> > >>> > >> >> Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked 20%, stable as a rock)
    >> > >>> > >> >> M4N72-E
    >> > >>> > >> >> 8 GB DDR2
    >> > >>> > >> >> 9800 GTX+
    >> > >>> > >> >> Linksys WMP300N
    >> > >>> > >> >> Linksys WUSB600N
    >> > >>> > >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in
    >> > >>> > >> >> message
    >> > >>> > >> >> news:...
    >> > >>> > >> >> > Mark,
    >> > >>> > >> >> > Me and others prefer clean install but before that you

    >> always
    >> > >> have
    >> > >>> > >> >> > to
    >> > >>> > >> >> > do
    >> > >>> > >> >> > your homework and clearly identify your hardware parts,
    >> > >>> > >> >> > whether
    >> > >>> > >> >> > add-ins
    >> > >>> > >> >> > or
    >> > >>> > >> >> > embedded chipsets.
    >> > >>> > >> >> > Then get the drivers and only after then do the clean

    >> install.
    >> > >>> > >> >> > But there is still hope, please describe your hardware

    > more
    >> > >>> > >> >> > thoroughly
    >> > >>> > >> >> > and
    >> > >>> > >> >> > you will surely find help here or in the web.
    >> > >>> > >> >> > There are WHQL Win 7 drivers for a great list of
    >> > >>> > >> >> > hardware.
    >> > >>> > >> >> > Carlos
    >> > >>> > >> >> >
    >> > >>> > >> >> > "Mark H" wrote:
    >> > >>> > >> >> >
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> I'm using Win 7 x64 and initially installed by the

    > Upgrade
    >> > >> method.
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> The
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> only
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> area I had any difficulty with was networking... my

    > adapter
    >> > >> would
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> "drop
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> out"
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> randomly and Win7 would attempt to reset it leading to a
    >> > >> computer
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> lock
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> up. I
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> won't go through all the details in this post, but let's

    >> just
    >> > >> point
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> out
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> that
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> one of the suggested repairs may be to Clean Install

    > Win7.
    >> > >>> > >> >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> So, that is what I just accomplished.
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> What changed?
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> Well, neither the PCI or USB adapter drops out

    > anymore,
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> but
    >> > >> even
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> though
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> the device setting enables IPv6, the function is not in

    >> use.
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> My
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> wireless
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> connection states Excellent connection, yet downloads
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> are
    >> > >> severely
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> limited
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> in speed. I've tried the MS driver and the vendor's

    > driver.
    >> > >> Neither
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> improve
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> the situation for either network card.
    >> > >>> > >> >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> As a side note, the upgrade had no problems
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> incorporating

    >> my
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> coprocessors
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> and audio devices. The clean install could not figure
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> out
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> what
    >> > >> they
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> were
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> and
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> subsequently could not download any drivers. When I did
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> install
    >> > >> the
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> drivers,
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> I was provided warnings they were not signed! This

    > included
    >> > >> WHQL
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> nVidia
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> drivers, which are signed.
    >> > >>> > >> >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> Bottom line:
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> Yes, there is a difference between an Upgrade and a
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> Clean
    >> > >> Install
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> and
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> the
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> later is not necessarily better as I'm still having
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> networking
    >> > >>> > >> >> >> issues.
    >> > >>> > >> >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >> >>
    >> > >>> > >> >>
    >> > >>> > >>
    >> > >>> >
    >> > >>
    >> > >>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    tsperling, Jul 1, 2009
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