Wide Screen not wide enough?

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  1. Guest

    I was at the store looking at some wide screen monitors. I also saw
    some wide-screen television. I noticed that some wide screen television
    were displaying movies with "black bar" on top and bottom - just like
    4:3 type televison. I asked the employe, however, that didn't make
    sense to me. Does anyone know why wide-screen monitor will be
    displaying black bars?

    Does anyone know if I'll have same type of problem if I buy wide-screen
    monitor?

    Any help would be appricated.
     
    , Apr 10, 2006
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  2. M.B. Guest

    wrote:
    > I was at the store looking at some wide screen monitors. I also saw
    > some wide-screen television. I noticed that some wide screen television
    > were displaying movies with "black bar" on top and bottom - just like
    > 4:3 type televison. I asked the employe, however, that didn't make
    > sense to me. Does anyone know why wide-screen monitor will be
    > displaying black bars?
    >
    > Does anyone know if I'll have same type of problem if I buy wide-screen
    > monitor?
    >
    > Any help would be appricated.
    >


    They were most likely showing a 2.35:1 film. That ratio is wider than
    the 16X9 of a widescreen TV. So it will give you black bars on those
    type of movies. So the answer to your question is that you will have
    this feature. It's not a problem.
     
    M.B., Apr 10, 2006
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  3. unclejr Guest

    wrote:
    > I was at the store looking at some wide screen monitors. I also saw
    > some wide-screen television. I noticed that some wide screen television
    > were displaying movies with "black bar" on top and bottom - just like
    > 4:3 type televison. I asked the employe, however, that didn't make
    > sense to me. Does anyone know why wide-screen monitor will be
    > displaying black bars?


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    HTH,

    -Junior
     
    unclejr, Apr 10, 2006
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  4. Tonester Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I was at the store looking at some wide screen monitors. I also saw
    > some wide-screen television. I noticed that some wide screen television
    > were displaying movies with "black bar" on top and bottom - just like
    > 4:3 type televison. I asked the employe, however, that didn't make
    > sense to me. Does anyone know why wide-screen monitor will be
    > displaying black bars?
    >
    > Does anyone know if I'll have same type of problem if I buy wide-screen
    > monitor?


    It's not a 'problem', this is a normal feature to make the movie look like
    it's supposed to look.
     
    Tonester, Apr 10, 2006
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  5. Guest Guest

    "M.B." <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > wrote:
    >> I was at the store looking at some wide screen monitors. I also saw
    >> some wide-screen television. I noticed that some wide screen television
    >> were displaying movies with "black bar" on top and bottom - just like
    >> 4:3 type televison. I asked the employe, however, that didn't make
    >> sense to me. Does anyone know why wide-screen monitor will be
    >> displaying black bars?
    >>
    >> Does anyone know if I'll have same type of problem if I buy wide-screen
    >> monitor? Any help would be appricated.
    >>

    >
    > They were most likely showing a 2.35:1 film. That ratio is wider than the
    > 16X9 of a widescreen TV. So it will give you black bars on those type of
    > movies. So the answer to your question is that you will have this
    > feature. It's not a problem.


    The answer to the question is, "yes". Clearly, the OP considers it a
    "problem".

    Norm Strong
     
    Guest, Apr 10, 2006
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  6. Tonester Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > "M.B." <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> wrote:
    >>> I was at the store looking at some wide screen monitors. I also saw
    >>> some wide-screen television. I noticed that some wide screen television
    >>> were displaying movies with "black bar" on top and bottom - just like
    >>> 4:3 type televison. I asked the employe, however, that didn't make
    >>> sense to me. Does anyone know why wide-screen monitor will be
    >>> displaying black bars?
    >>>
    >>> Does anyone know if I'll have same type of problem if I buy wide-screen
    >>> monitor? Any help would be appricated.
    >>>

    >>
    >> They were most likely showing a 2.35:1 film. That ratio is wider than
    >> the 16X9 of a widescreen TV. So it will give you black bars on those
    >> type of movies. So the answer to your question is that you will have
    >> this feature. It's not a problem.

    >
    > The answer to the question is, "yes". Clearly, the OP considers it a
    > "problem".


    Maybe the OP should stick to VCR's and 4:3 then. Some people might not be
    comfortable outside of 1997.
     
    Tonester, Apr 10, 2006
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  7. RobMac Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I was at the store looking at some wide screen monitors. I also saw
    > some wide-screen television. I noticed that some wide screen television
    > were displaying movies with "black bar" on top and bottom - just like
    > 4:3 type televison. I asked the employe, however, that didn't make
    > sense to me. Does anyone know why wide-screen monitor will be
    > displaying black bars?
    >
    > Does anyone know if I'll have same type of problem if I buy wide-screen
    > monitor?
    >
    > Any help would be appricated.
    >
    >


    You will have the same "problem" if you consider some widescreen movies to
    be a "problem" in and of themselves.

    The new TV sets are in 16:9 format (most HDTV programming is/will be in this
    ratio), which is essentially 1.78:1 (standard analog TV's of the past were
    4:3, or 1.33:1).

    Movies now-a-days come in several flavors, mostly 1.85:1 and 2.35:1, as you
    can see from the ratio, the 1.85 is closest to the newer TVs (1.78:1) so
    DVDs with the 1.85:1 aspect usually just round off to 1.78:1 in order to
    completely fill the HDTV screen, but some of the bigger "popcorn movies"
    (The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy, Peter Jackson's King Kong, the Star Wars
    movies and thousands of others) use the wider 2.35:1 aspect, and because the
    new TV screen is only 1.78:1 there is blank space above and below (hence the
    black bars).

    This is not a mistake or a problem (unless you believe there are hidden
    images under the black bars that will unravel the meaning of the existence
    of man), it's the way the movies are meant to be seen, in their full
    theatrical aspect (you don't notice this at the movie theater because
    there's usually a drape or other distraction), sometimes movie screens have
    movable sides that widen for the 2.35:1 movies, since a home TV can't
    stretch itself, one screen size was chosen (1.78:1) so anything bigger than
    that will have the black bars.

    Embrace the full image, ignore the blank spaces (there's nothing meant to be
    there, you're not "missing" anything), and free your mind to worry about
    other more important things, like why you can park on driveways and drive on
    parkways.



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    RobMac, Apr 10, 2006
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  8. M.B. Guest

    wrote:

    >
    > The answer to the question is, "yes". Clearly, the OP considers it a
    > "problem".


    It's not a problem. Problem implies that there is something wrong with
    the TV and or DVD. Since that is clearly not the case, it is not a problem.
     
    M.B., Apr 11, 2006
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  9. Mark Jones Guest

    wrote:
    > I was at the store looking at some wide screen monitors. I also saw
    > some wide-screen television. I noticed that some wide screen
    > television were displaying movies with "black bar" on top and bottom
    > - just like 4:3 type televison. I asked the employe, however, that
    > didn't make sense to me. Does anyone know why wide-screen monitor
    > will be displaying black bars?
    >
    > Does anyone know if I'll have same type of problem if I buy
    > wide-screen monitor?
    >
    > Any help would be appricated.


    It isn't a problem, so nothing to solve.
     
    Mark Jones, Apr 11, 2006
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  10. Jay G. Guest

    On 10 Apr 2006 08:33:36 -0700, wrote:

    > I was at the store looking at some wide screen monitors. I also saw
    > some wide-screen television. I noticed that some wide screen television
    > were displaying movies with "black bar" on top and bottom - just like
    > 4:3 type televison. I asked the employe, however, that didn't make
    > sense to me. Does anyone know why wide-screen monitor will be
    > displaying black bars?


    Other people here have posted detailed descriptions of OAR and examples of
    when a widescreen film might be wider than a widescreen TV.

    However, I'll posit another reason why you may have seen black bars on some
    widescreen TVs: The TV wasn't set up correctly.

    Widecreen TVs have a variety of viewing modes to watch video. One of these
    is a stretch mode that will stretch and 4:3 video to fill the 16:9 screen.
    This is great for those who want the TV screen "filled" when watching 4:3
    material, as long as they don't mind everything looking a little too wide.

    Now, with the letterboxed movie you were watching, it's possible the movie
    is being sent to the TV as a 4:3 letterboxed film, and then stretched to
    fill the screen. If this movie is from an anamorphic DVD, that means the
    video is first shrunk to fit a 4:3 frame, then stretched to fit a 16:9 TV.
    If the film was sent properly, you wouldn't see any black bars.

    Go back and check the video of the widescreen TVs with the black bars. Do
    the people seem a little too "wide" on the WS TV? If yes, it's not showing
    the film correctly. If that's too subtle, check the size of the black bars
    and compare them to the size of the black bars on a 4:3 TV showing the same
    movie. A 2.35:1 film like Star Wars will still show black bars on a 16:9
    TV, but they will be much smaller than the black bars shown on a 4:3 TV of
    the same film. If the black bars are the same size, the TV is displaying
    the film incorrectly.

    -Jay
     
    Jay G., Apr 11, 2006
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  11. ~P~ Guest

    How's this example look?

    http://www.avintegrated.com/aspect_ratios

    Make some sense of things?


    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    I was at the store looking at some wide screen monitors. I also saw
    some wide-screen television. I noticed that some wide screen television
    were displaying movies with "black bar" on top and bottom - just like
    4:3 type televison. I asked the employe, however, that didn't make
    sense to me. Does anyone know why wide-screen monitor will be
    displaying black bars?

    Does anyone know if I'll have same type of problem if I buy wide-screen
    monitor?

    Any help would be appricated.
     
    ~P~, Apr 14, 2006
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  12. John Savard Guest

    On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:56:21 -0700, "M.B." <> wrote, in
    part:

    >They were most likely showing a 2.35:1 film. That ratio is wider than
    >the 16X9 of a widescreen TV. So it will give you black bars on those
    >type of movies. So the answer to your question is that you will have
    >this feature. It's not a problem.


    In addition, though, I've recently found out - thanks to an E-mail about
    my web site - that some TV sets sold as widescreen have a 15:9 aspect
    ratio instead of 16:9.

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    John Savard, Apr 21, 2006
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  13. unclejr Guest

    John Savard wrote:
    > In addition, though, I've recently found out - thanks to an E-mail about
    > my web site - that some TV sets sold as widescreen have a 15:9 aspect
    > ratio instead of 16:9.


    Like which ones? This is the first I've ever heard of this. Weird.

    -Junior
     
    unclejr, Apr 21, 2006
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  14. Richard C. Guest

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    "John Savard" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:56:21 -0700, "M.B." <> wrote, in
    > part:
    >
    >>They were most likely showing a 2.35:1 film. That ratio is wider than
    >>the 16X9 of a widescreen TV. So it will give you black bars on those
    >>type of movies. So the answer to your question is that you will have
    >>this feature. It's not a problem.

    >
    > In addition, though, I've recently found out - thanks to an E-mail about
    > my web site - that some TV sets sold as widescreen have a 15:9 aspect
    > ratio instead of 16:9.
    >


    ======================================
    Care to list some?
     
    Richard C., Apr 21, 2006
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  15. Joshua Zyber Guest

    "John Savard" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In addition, though, I've recently found out - thanks to an E-mail
    > about
    > my web site - that some TV sets sold as widescreen have a 15:9 aspect
    > ratio instead of 16:9.


    No they don't. 16:9 is the widescreen standard.
     
    Joshua Zyber, Apr 21, 2006
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  16. Freda Guest

    "Joshua Zyber" <> wrote in message
    news:CY32g.7337$...
    > "John Savard" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> In addition, though, I've recently found out - thanks to an E-mail about
    >> my web site - that some TV sets sold as widescreen have a 15:9 aspect
    >> ratio instead of 16:9.

    >
    > No they don't. 16:9 is the widescreen standard.
    >

    Oh yes they do (this sounds like a pantomime). I made a thorough
    investigation of this prior to purchasing a plasma, and many LCD TV screens
    are actually a physical 15:9 ratio. This is fact, not rumour, and has been
    mentioned on several occasions in reviews in specialist magazines.
     
    Freda, Apr 24, 2006
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  17. Jeff Rife Guest

    Freda () wrote in alt.video.dvd:
    > > No they don't. 16:9 is the widescreen standard.
    > >

    > Oh yes they do (this sounds like a pantomime). I made a thorough
    > investigation of this prior to purchasing a plasma, and many LCD TV screens
    > are actually a physical 15:9 ratio. This is fact, not rumour, and has been
    > mentioned on several occasions in reviews in specialist magazines.


    OK, so name one model that is 15:9.

    There are (were?) some 14:9 TVs intended for Europe, and some newer LCDs
    are 16:10, and many plasmas (and LCDs?) use non-square pixels so the
    pixel count ratio isn't 16:9, but I don't know of any displays with a
    physical aspect ratio of 15:9.

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    | wasteland much like Utah, but unlike Utah, Mars
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    Jeff Rife, Apr 24, 2006
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  18. Freda Guest

    "Jeff Rife" <> wrote in message
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    >
    > OK, so name one model that is 15:9.
    >
    > There are (were?) some 14:9 TVs intended for Europe, and some newer LCDs
    > are 16:10, and many plasmas (and LCDs?) use non-square pixels so the
    > pixel count ratio isn't 16:9, but I don't know of any displays with a
    > physical aspect ratio of 15:9.
    >
    >

    I'm not on about the pixel count, as that rarely equates to 16:9 on plasmas,
    and isn't really an accurate guide, I'm on about the physical aspect ratio
    of quite a few LCDs that were being manufactured (I'm talking about the
    European market here). The TVs I am on about were on sale about 1 or 2 years
    ago, I spent a lot of time calculating the physical aspect ratios of many
    LCDs at the time, and discounted several from my shortlist of potential TVs
    due to their 15:9 aspect ratio, which was as much a surprise to me as it was
    to the TV dealers that I informed of this situation. I even did a physical
    check on the screen dimensions of a few of these suspect LCDs, just to
    confirm that these supposedly 'widescreen' TVs weren't actually 16:9 ratio.
    I haven't got this information to hand any more now as I decided to go for a
    HD plasma in the end, but it was also mentioned in articles in specialist
    mags, which I've unfortunately binned now.

    I can understand your sceptisim that 15:9 ratio LCDs were actually being
    sold, as some of the dealers weren't aware of this either until I showed
    them.
     
    Freda, Apr 25, 2006
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  19. Jeff Rife Guest

    Freda () wrote in alt.video.dvd:
    > I'm not on about the pixel count, as that rarely equates to 16:9 on plasmas,
    > and isn't really an accurate guide, I'm on about the physical aspect ratio
    > of quite a few LCDs that were being manufactured (I'm talking about the
    > European market here).


    Yes, I know that there were 14:9 sets for Europe. They may have had
    a 15:9 screen with no actual pixels at the sides, but the viewable area
    was 14:9.

    > The TVs I am on about were on sale about 1 or 2 years
    > ago, I spent a lot of time calculating the physical aspect ratios of many
    > LCDs at the time, and discounted several from my shortlist of potential TVs
    > due to their 15:9 aspect ratio, which was as much a surprise to me as it was
    > to the TV dealers that I informed of this situation. I even did a physical
    > check on the screen dimensions of a few of these suspect LCDs, just to
    > confirm that these supposedly 'widescreen' TVs weren't actually 16:9 ratio.


    So, you don't remember *anything* about any of these supposed TVs so that
    you can look them up on Google...I don't think they would completely
    disappear in just two years.

    Yeah, I'm pretty sceptical.

    --
    Jeff Rife | "...the flames began at a prophylactic recycling
    | plant, near the edge of the forest..."
    |
    | -- "WarGames"
     
    Jeff Rife, Apr 25, 2006
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  20. Richard C. Guest

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    "Jeff Rife" <> wrote in message
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    >
    > Yes, I know that there were 14:9 sets for Europe. They may have had
    > a 15:9 screen with no actual pixels at the sides, but the viewable area
    > was 14:9.


    ========================
    My 11 year old Pioneer Cinema Wide RPTV is 1.50:1 (about 14:9/15:9)
    It was never sold as a "wide screen" set.
     
    Richard C., Apr 25, 2006
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