where are the jobs, dammit

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by Emil, Nov 11, 2003.

  1. Emil

    Emil Guest

    Ok, I got the certification. Now where are the jobs? I
    don't get it! Why is IT hit so hard? You would think
    that companies are DEPENDANT on their computers in this
    day and age. Did everyone decide to go back to using
    typewriters and file cabinets?? Then who in the world is
    running all of IT? Because NO ONE IS HIRING!
     
    Emil, Nov 11, 2003
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  2. Emil

    Ken Briscoe Guest

    "Emil" <> wrote in message !

    You know, if you spell your name backwards, you get "lime." Pretty cool.
    Also, the jobs are in aidni and anihc.

    --

    KB - MCNGP #26

    first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
     
    Ken Briscoe, Nov 11, 2003
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  3. Emil

    pheonix1t Guest

    Emil wrote:

    > Ok, I got the certification. Now where are the jobs? I
    > don't get it! Why is IT hit so hard? You would think
    > that companies are DEPENDANT on their computers in this
    > day and age. Did everyone decide to go back to using
    > typewriters and file cabinets?? Then who in the world is
    > running all of IT? Because NO ONE IS HIRING!


    the senior people in this group have been saying this for some time
    now....the newbies will have a VERY hard time finding work if they find
    any at all!
    It's really lousy out there.....go study how to be a nurse - those jobs
    ARE in demand and will be for many years to come. People are living
    longer, older people mean more health care needs for society...you do
    the math!
     
    pheonix1t, Nov 11, 2003
    #3
  4. "Emil" <> wrote in message
    news:034401c3a898$139b3520$...
    > Ok, I got the certification. Now where are the jobs? I
    > don't get it! Why is IT hit so hard? You would think
    > that companies are DEPENDANT on their computers in this
    > day and age. Did everyone decide to go back to using
    > typewriters and file cabinets?? Then who in the world is
    > running all of IT? Because NO ONE IS HIRING!


    Five ways to getting a job in IT:

    1) An IT Education
    2) IT Experience
    3) IT Certification(s)
    4) Know someone on the inside
    5) Have a terrific personality

    The market is saturated with people who have more than one item from the
    list above. If all you have is one item from this list, either get more
    items from the list, or expect to rely on luck in getting a job.

    --
    Politician Spock
    MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
    The MCNGP Team - We're here to help

    This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
    You assume all risk for your use. Not responsible for your inability to
    understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the imaginary gnomes
    living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
    © 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
     
    Politician Spock, Nov 11, 2003
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  5. Emil

    billyw Guest

    or u could just do it yourself


    "Politician Spock" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Emil" <> wrote in message
    > news:034401c3a898$139b3520$...
    > > Ok, I got the certification. Now where are the jobs? I
    > > don't get it! Why is IT hit so hard? You would think
    > > that companies are DEPENDANT on their computers in this
    > > day and age. Did everyone decide to go back to using
    > > typewriters and file cabinets?? Then who in the world is
    > > running all of IT? Because NO ONE IS HIRING!

    >
    > Five ways to getting a job in IT:
    >
    > 1) An IT Education
    > 2) IT Experience
    > 3) IT Certification(s)
    > 4) Know someone on the inside
    > 5) Have a terrific personality
    >
    > The market is saturated with people who have more than one item from the
    > list above. If all you have is one item from this list, either get more
    > items from the list, or expect to rely on luck in getting a job.
    >
    > --
    > Politician Spock
    > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
    > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
    >
    > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

    rights.
    > You assume all risk for your use. Not responsible for your inability to
    > understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the imaginary gnomes
    > living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
    > © 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
    >
    >
     
    billyw, Nov 11, 2003
    #5
  6. so should we learn CSL (C.... as Second Language) or ISL (I.... as Second
    Language)?

    "Ken Briscoe" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > "Emil" <> wrote in message !
    >
    > You know, if you spell your name backwards, you get "lime." Pretty cool.
    > Also, the jobs are in aidni and anihc.
    >
    > --
    >
    > KB - MCNGP #26
    >
    > first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
    >
    >
     
    NEW NAME, OLD GUY, Nov 11, 2003
    #6
  7. Emil

    Kendal Emery Guest

    > Five ways to getting a job in IT:
    >
    > 1) An IT Education
    > 2) IT Experience
    > 3) IT Certification(s)
    > 4) Know someone on the inside
    > 5) Have a terrific personality
    >


    Of course, you could be in my situation, where I have all of the above at my
    present job, my boss is quitting, and theystill went outside to look for
    someone to replace her.

    --
    Kendal R. Emery, MCSE, Network+, A+, MCNGP #19
    Systems Administrator
    Coordinated Home Care

    remove me to email to me
     
    Kendal Emery, Nov 11, 2003
    #7
  8. Emil

    pheonix1t Guest

    Kendal Emery wrote:

    >>Five ways to getting a job in IT:
    >>
    >>1) An IT Education
    >>2) IT Experience
    >>3) IT Certification(s)
    >>4) Know someone on the inside
    >>5) Have a terrific personality
    >>

    >
    >
    > Of course, you could be in my situation, where I have all of the above at my
    > present job, my boss is quitting, and theystill went outside to look for
    > someone to replace her.

    ouch...that hurts!
    looks like it's the politics game......you have to know that well in a
    corporate environment.


    >
    > --
    > Kendal R. Emery, MCSE, Network+, A+, MCNGP #19
    > Systems Administrator
    > Coordinated Home Care
    >
    > remove me to email to me
    >
    >
     
    pheonix1t, Nov 12, 2003
    #8
  9. Emil

    Ken Briscoe Guest

    > so should we learn CSL (C.... as Second Language) or ISL (I.... as Second
    > Language)?


    No. Don't bother. You should learn C... or I... as a first language, and
    English as a second language. Seems to me that's how IT is these days. Of
    course, what do you expect when all the jobs are in aidnI or anihC...

    --


    KB - MCNGP #26

    first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com


    "NEW NAME, OLD GUY" <PLEASE!> wrote in message
    news:...

    >
    > "Ken Briscoe" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > >
    > > "Emil" <> wrote in message !
    > >
    > > You know, if you spell your name backwards, you get "lime." Pretty cool.
    > > Also, the jobs are in aidni and anihc.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > KB - MCNGP #26
    > >
    > > first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
    > >
    > >

    >
    >



    ---
    Virus? In the computer? Are you serious?
    Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
    Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 11/3/2003
     
    Ken Briscoe, Nov 12, 2003
    #9
  10. Emil

    Rowdy Yates Guest

    "Kendal Emery" <> wrote in
    news::

    Of course, you could be in my situation, where I have all of the above
    > at my present job, my boss is quitting, and theystill went outside to
    > look for someone to replace her.
    >


    that's a bitch! in some organizations, once you get in at a certiain level,
    it's really hard to convince someone you can do something else.

    also, perhaps there is a management experience requirement for that job
    that you may not posses. in which case, time to take some lame management
    courses and put them on the resume..

    with me, you got to have hands-on "in depth" server diagnostics & repair
    experience, which is impossible to get 'cause the vendor takes care of
    that. duh!
     
    Rowdy Yates, Nov 12, 2003
    #10
  11. Emil

    billyw Guest

    maybe it's because you can't do her job


    "Kendal Emery" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > > Five ways to getting a job in IT:
    > >
    > > 1) An IT Education
    > > 2) IT Experience
    > > 3) IT Certification(s)
    > > 4) Know someone on the inside
    > > 5) Have a terrific personality
    > >

    >
    > Of course, you could be in my situation, where I have all of the above at

    my
    > present job, my boss is quitting, and theystill went outside to look for
    > someone to replace her.
    >
    > --
    > Kendal R. Emery, MCSE, Network+, A+, MCNGP #19
    > Systems Administrator
    > Coordinated Home Care
    >
    > remove me to email to me
    >
    >
     
    billyw, Nov 12, 2003
    #11
  12. Emil

    Consultant Guest

    roflmao, do you not read?


    "Emil" <> wrote in message
    news:034401c3a898$139b3520$...
    > Ok, I got the certification. Now where are the jobs? I
    > don't get it! Why is IT hit so hard? You would think
    > that companies are DEPENDANT on their computers in this
    > day and age. Did everyone decide to go back to using
    > typewriters and file cabinets?? Then who in the world is
    > running all of IT? Because NO ONE IS HIRING!
     
    Consultant, Nov 12, 2003
    #12
  13. Emil

    Consultant Guest

    or a mortician. there is good money in that if you can stomach it, and
    you'll always have new customers!


    "pheonix1t" <> wrote in message
    news:uxcsb.185$...
    > Emil wrote:
    >
    > > Ok, I got the certification. Now where are the jobs? I
    > > don't get it! Why is IT hit so hard? You would think
    > > that companies are DEPENDANT on their computers in this
    > > day and age. Did everyone decide to go back to using
    > > typewriters and file cabinets?? Then who in the world is
    > > running all of IT? Because NO ONE IS HIRING!

    >
    > the senior people in this group have been saying this for some time
    > now....the newbies will have a VERY hard time finding work if they find
    > any at all!
    > It's really lousy out there.....go study how to be a nurse - those jobs
    > ARE in demand and will be for many years to come. People are living
    > longer, older people mean more health care needs for society...you do
    > the math!
    >
    >
    >
     
    Consultant, Nov 12, 2003
    #13
  14. Emil

    Jtyc Guest

    > maybe it's because you can't do her job

    Or she does her job so well that they don't want to take her out of it.






    or they hate women...
     
    Jtyc, Nov 12, 2003
    #14
  15. Emil

    Consultant Guest

    ouch, that's got to hurt. i'll hire you ;-)

    "Kendal Emery" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > > Five ways to getting a job in IT:
    > >
    > > 1) An IT Education
    > > 2) IT Experience
    > > 3) IT Certification(s)
    > > 4) Know someone on the inside
    > > 5) Have a terrific personality
    > >

    >
    > Of course, you could be in my situation, where I have all of the above at

    my
    > present job, my boss is quitting, and theystill went outside to look for
    > someone to replace her.
    >
    > --
    > Kendal R. Emery, MCSE, Network+, A+, MCNGP #19
    > Systems Administrator
    > Coordinated Home Care
    >
    > remove me to email to me
    >
    >
     
    Consultant, Nov 12, 2003
    #15
  16. Emil

    Guest Guest


    >-----Original Message-----
    >Ok, I got the certification. Now where are the jobs? I
    >don't get it! Why is IT hit so hard? You would think
    >that companies are DEPENDANT on their computers in this
    >day and age. Did everyone decide to go back to using
    >typewriters and file cabinets?? Then who in the world is
    >running all of IT? Because NO ONE IS HIRING!



    To whom this may concern;

    I'm working. I'm at a client site now preparing their NT4
    domain for Win2003 upgrade. 30 servers, 3000 clients all
    over New England.

    How did I do it? I got my CNE cert in 1984, my MCSE cert
    in 1992, my CCNA cert in 1998 and my ASE cert in 2000.
    I've been doing this for 28 years and have put in more
    Christmas's, 48 hour days and 7 day work weeks than I care
    to remember. I used to get up at 3:00 am so I could study
    for my cert test before going into work. When I started I
    followed around those people around who had the knowledge
    that I wanted. If they were working on a weekend I would
    ask them if I could come in and watch and learn. I would
    be the guy who showed up with the coffee and donuts and
    was glad that they let me sit in.

    How do you get it?
    You work hard, don't expect that a piece of paper is your
    key to the city. This IT crunch has been great for
    thinning the herd. The ones who want to work are
    working. Those who want a white stallion to pull up on
    their front yard and take them over the rainbow are
    probably still waiting.

    Don't be discouraged. Instead try asking local
    universities if you can audit their computer science
    courses during the evening. Do some work for free. Check
    with community health centers and hospitals and such and
    see if you can give them a hand on weekends and holidays.
    Start studying for your next certification. Go to yard
    sales and pick up some used routers and hubs and set up
    your own test network in your basement. Network with
    people. Join groups and computer societies. Read
    everything you can get your hands on. Keep sending the
    resumes and making the phone calls. Show up with coffee
    on Saturday morning and ask if you can watch the experts
    work. It all comes together in terms of career. No
    knowledge is wasted.
    Good luck.

    Anonymous
     
    Guest, Nov 12, 2003
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  17. Emil

    Jtyc Guest

    I prefer bagels.
     
    Jtyc, Nov 12, 2003
    #17
  18. Emil

    Consultant Guest

    beer, newcastle preferably

    "Jtyc" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I prefer bagels.
    >
    >
     
    Consultant, Nov 12, 2003
    #18
  19. Emil

    billyw Guest

    or maybe because she doesn't...........

    "Jtyc" <> wrote in message
    news:uke7T$...
    > > maybe it's because you can't do her job

    >
    > Or she does her job so well that they don't want to take her out of it.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > or they hate women...
    >
    >
     
    billyw, Nov 12, 2003
    #19
  20. Emil

    billyw Guest

    crawler

    <> wrote in message
    news:0f8401c3a932$2958f2e0$...
    >
    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >Ok, I got the certification. Now where are the jobs? I
    > >don't get it! Why is IT hit so hard? You would think
    > >that companies are DEPENDANT on their computers in this
    > >day and age. Did everyone decide to go back to using
    > >typewriters and file cabinets?? Then who in the world is
    > >running all of IT? Because NO ONE IS HIRING!

    >
    >
    > To whom this may concern;
    >
    > I'm working. I'm at a client site now preparing their NT4
    > domain for Win2003 upgrade. 30 servers, 3000 clients all
    > over New England.
    >
    > How did I do it? I got my CNE cert in 1984, my MCSE cert
    > in 1992, my CCNA cert in 1998 and my ASE cert in 2000.
    > I've been doing this for 28 years and have put in more
    > Christmas's, 48 hour days and 7 day work weeks than I care
    > to remember. I used to get up at 3:00 am so I could study
    > for my cert test before going into work. When I started I
    > followed around those people around who had the knowledge
    > that I wanted. If they were working on a weekend I would
    > ask them if I could come in and watch and learn. I would
    > be the guy who showed up with the coffee and donuts and
    > was glad that they let me sit in.
    >
    > How do you get it?
    > You work hard, don't expect that a piece of paper is your
    > key to the city. This IT crunch has been great for
    > thinning the herd. The ones who want to work are
    > working. Those who want a white stallion to pull up on
    > their front yard and take them over the rainbow are
    > probably still waiting.
    >
    > Don't be discouraged. Instead try asking local
    > universities if you can audit their computer science
    > courses during the evening. Do some work for free. Check
    > with community health centers and hospitals and such and
    > see if you can give them a hand on weekends and holidays.
    > Start studying for your next certification. Go to yard
    > sales and pick up some used routers and hubs and set up
    > your own test network in your basement. Network with
    > people. Join groups and computer societies. Read
    > everything you can get your hands on. Keep sending the
    > resumes and making the phone calls. Show up with coffee
    > on Saturday morning and ask if you can watch the experts
    > work. It all comes together in terms of career. No
    > knowledge is wasted.
    > Good luck.
    >
    > Anonymous
     
    billyw, Nov 12, 2003
    #20
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