WHAT'S UP WITH THE SPAM???

Discussion in 'MCSD' started by Leigh Kendall, Oct 5, 2003.

  1. Microsoft moderators.... can you remove the Spam that's recently been
    flooding this newsgroup?

    --
    Leigh Kendall, MCSD, MCDBA
    Leigh Kendall, Oct 5, 2003
    #1
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  2. If the messages bother you, hit the Delete button in Outlook Express
    (assuming you have the latest version), and the message will be removed from
    your message store.

    --


    Dave Beauchemin
    Microsoft MVP, MCP
    www.webdotmag.com


    "Leigh Kendall" <> wrote in message
    news:eeiWl$...
    > Microsoft moderators.... can you remove the Spam that's recently been
    > flooding this newsgroup?
    >
    > --
    > Leigh Kendall, MCSD, MCDBA
    >
    Dave Beauchemin [MVP], Oct 5, 2003
    #2
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  3. Leigh Kendall

    Simon Smith Guest

    On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:55:02 -0400 in article
    <eeiWl$> in
    microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcsd , "Leigh Kendall"
    <> wrote:

    >Microsoft moderators.... can you remove the Spam that's recently been
    >flooding this newsgroup?


    Usenet doesn't work like that. There is no such thing as a 'hone' of
    any newsgroup; usenet is a peer-to-peer network of NNTP servers. Look
    at the headers of any message. There will be a line starting 'Path:',
    rather like this one (from your post):

    Path:
    uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl

    I got this message from news.cis.dfn.de, which has peering
    arrangements with a number of other servers who in turn have peering
    ralationships etc. That's why messages posted at the same time appear
    in your favourite server are wildly different times.

    The path above tells me news.cis.dfn.de got your message from
    uni-berlin.de, which got it from newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de which got
    it from etc. If anyone posts a message to those servers, or to the one
    I use, I'll read it (or it'll be available for me to read it) long
    before it ever gets near MS's NNTP servers.

    Sure, you can send out cancel requests. Just about all NNTP servers
    are set to ignore them as it's impossible to validate that they're
    valid (and for most groups, who *would* be a valid source?) and it
    used to be a nasty trick to annoy your opponents to send out cancells
    for their messages. Some of the great Usenet 'wars' in the past have
    been fought by this method so for a while now cancells have been
    pretty universally ignored.
    In any case, the message has to propagate to the cancellers' server
    and the canceller has to send out the cancel which in turn has to
    propagate - it will never be anything like 100% effective. So it
    doesn't really work anyway even if notice is taken.

    Moderated newsgroups exist. This isn't one. In a moderated NG each and
    every message is passed as acceptable by a moderator before it is
    released to be propagated to any readers. This leads to delays in
    messages being posted - usenet runs and is posted to 24/7: who's going
    to put in the resources (read cost) to moderate these groups on that
    basis? Programmed moderators do exist, but are not perfect and most
    groups using them do not seem very satisfied with them.

    Besides, don't you want a bigger dick?

    HTH!
    --
    Simon
    simon dot smith at snowvalley dot com
    "Insomnia is a small price to pay for the stuff you read on UseNet"
    Simon Smith, Oct 5, 2003
    #3
  4. Will try. Thanks...

    "Dave Beauchemin [MVP]" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > If the messages bother you, hit the Delete button in Outlook Express
    > (assuming you have the latest version), and the message will be removed

    from
    > your message store.
    >
    > --
    >
    >
    > Dave Beauchemin
    > Microsoft MVP, MCP
    > www.webdotmag.com
    >
    >
    > "Leigh Kendall" <> wrote in message
    > news:eeiWl$...
    > > Microsoft moderators.... can you remove the Spam that's recently been
    > > flooding this newsgroup?
    > >
    > > --
    > > Leigh Kendall, MCSD, MCDBA
    > >

    >
    >
    Leigh Kendall, Oct 5, 2003
    #4
  5. All set...<g>

    BTW, thanks for the in-depth explanation!

    "Simon Smith" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:55:02 -0400 in article
    > <eeiWl$> in
    > microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcsd , "Leigh Kendall"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >Microsoft moderators.... can you remove the Spam that's recently been
    > >flooding this newsgroup?

    >
    > Usenet doesn't work like that. There is no such thing as a 'hone' of
    > any newsgroup; usenet is a peer-to-peer network of NNTP servers. Look
    > at the headers of any message. There will be a line starting 'Path:',
    > rather like this one (from your post):
    >
    > Path:
    >

    uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-onlin
    e.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.frii.net!news
    feed.frii.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl
    >
    > I got this message from news.cis.dfn.de, which has peering
    > arrangements with a number of other servers who in turn have peering
    > ralationships etc. That's why messages posted at the same time appear
    > in your favourite server are wildly different times.
    >
    > The path above tells me news.cis.dfn.de got your message from
    > uni-berlin.de, which got it from newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de which got
    > it from etc. If anyone posts a message to those servers, or to the one
    > I use, I'll read it (or it'll be available for me to read it) long
    > before it ever gets near MS's NNTP servers.
    >
    > Sure, you can send out cancel requests. Just about all NNTP servers
    > are set to ignore them as it's impossible to validate that they're
    > valid (and for most groups, who *would* be a valid source?) and it
    > used to be a nasty trick to annoy your opponents to send out cancells
    > for their messages. Some of the great Usenet 'wars' in the past have
    > been fought by this method so for a while now cancells have been
    > pretty universally ignored.
    > In any case, the message has to propagate to the cancellers' server
    > and the canceller has to send out the cancel which in turn has to
    > propagate - it will never be anything like 100% effective. So it
    > doesn't really work anyway even if notice is taken.
    >
    > Moderated newsgroups exist. This isn't one. In a moderated NG each and
    > every message is passed as acceptable by a moderator before it is
    > released to be propagated to any readers. This leads to delays in
    > messages being posted - usenet runs and is posted to 24/7: who's going
    > to put in the resources (read cost) to moderate these groups on that
    > basis? Programmed moderators do exist, but are not perfect and most
    > groups using them do not seem very satisfied with them.
    >
    > Besides, don't you want a bigger dick?
    >
    > HTH!
    > --
    > Simon
    > simon dot smith at snowvalley dot com
    > "Insomnia is a small price to pay for the stuff you read on UseNet"
    Leigh Kendall, Oct 5, 2003
    #5
  6. Leigh Kendall

    Simon Smith Guest

    On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:22:49 -0400 in article
    <#> in
    microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcsd , "Leigh Kendall"
    <> wrote:

    >All set...<g>


    :)

    >
    >BTW, thanks for the in-depth explanation!
    >


    No problem. I think Usenet is technically fascinating. It's an
    extremely effective method of communication, extremely robust (but not
    totally lossless), and almost endlessly entertaining.
    And the technical details of how it works are so simple! A real lesson
    in design!

    To bring it back on-topic - how would an MCSD (prospective or
    achieved) design this system today?


    --
    Simon
    simon dot smith at snowvalley dot com
    "Insomnia is a small price to pay for the stuff you read on UseNet"
    Simon Smith, Oct 5, 2003
    #6
  7. > To bring it back on-topic - how would an MCSD (prospective or
    > achieved) design this system today?



    ....using Oracle of course <vbg>

    "Simon Smith" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:22:49 -0400 in article
    > <#> in
    > microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcsd , "Leigh Kendall"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >All set...<g>

    >
    > :)
    >
    > >
    > >BTW, thanks for the in-depth explanation!
    > >

    >
    > No problem. I think Usenet is technically fascinating. It's an
    > extremely effective method of communication, extremely robust (but not
    > totally lossless), and almost endlessly entertaining.
    > And the technical details of how it works are so simple! A real lesson
    > in design!
    >
    > To bring it back on-topic - how would an MCSD (prospective or
    > achieved) design this system today?
    >
    >
    > --
    > Simon
    > simon dot smith at snowvalley dot com
    > "Insomnia is a small price to pay for the stuff you read on UseNet"
    Leigh Kendall, Oct 5, 2003
    #7
  8. Leigh Kendall

    Jaime Guest

    You guys use this as part of outlook? I just go to a
    website and post, weird.
    >-----Original Message-----
    >If the messages bother you, hit the Delete button in

    Outlook Express
    >(assuming you have the latest version), and the message

    will be removed from
    >your message store.
    >
    >--
    >
    >
    > Dave Beauchemin
    > Microsoft MVP, MCP
    > www.webdotmag.com
    >
    >
    >"Leigh Kendall" <> wrote in

    message
    >news:eeiWl$...
    >> Microsoft moderators.... can you remove the Spam that's

    recently been
    >> flooding this newsgroup?
    >>
    >> --
    >> Leigh Kendall, MCSD, MCDBA
    >>

    >
    >
    >.
    >
    Jaime, Oct 5, 2003
    #8
  9. Outlook Express which in addition to a simple email program also serves as
    an NNTP newsreader.

    Leigh

    "Jaime" <> wrote in message
    news:070d01c38b90$c17fb730$...
    > You guys use this as part of outlook? I just go to a
    > website and post, weird.
    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >If the messages bother you, hit the Delete button in

    > Outlook Express
    > >(assuming you have the latest version), and the message

    > will be removed from
    > >your message store.
    > >
    > >--
    > >
    > >
    > > Dave Beauchemin
    > > Microsoft MVP, MCP
    > > www.webdotmag.com
    > >
    > >
    > >"Leigh Kendall" <> wrote in

    > message
    > >news:eeiWl$...
    > >> Microsoft moderators.... can you remove the Spam that's

    > recently been
    > >> flooding this newsgroup?
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Leigh Kendall, MCSD, MCDBA
    > >>

    > >
    > >
    > >.
    > >
    Leigh Kendall, Oct 6, 2003
    #9
  10. Leigh Kendall

    Jaime Guest

    Yeah I know, I just didn't realize how many of you used
    that to post.
    >-----Original Message-----
    >Outlook Express which in addition to a simple email

    program also serves as
    >an NNTP newsreader.
    >
    >Leigh
    >
    >"Jaime" <> wrote in message
    >news:070d01c38b90$c17fb730$...
    >> You guys use this as part of outlook? I just go to a
    >> website and post, weird.
    >> >-----Original Message-----
    >> >If the messages bother you, hit the Delete button in

    >> Outlook Express
    >> >(assuming you have the latest version), and the message

    >> will be removed from
    >> >your message store.
    >> >
    >> >--
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Dave Beauchemin
    >> > Microsoft MVP, MCP
    >> > www.webdotmag.com
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >"Leigh Kendall" <> wrote in

    >> message
    >> >news:eeiWl$...
    >> >> Microsoft moderators.... can you remove the Spam

    that's
    >> recently been
    >> >> flooding this newsgroup?
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Leigh Kendall, MCSD, MCDBA
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >.
    >> >

    >
    >.
    >
    Jaime, Oct 7, 2003
    #10
  11. Oh...

    I use Outlook to manage posts; new posts, watch posts etc.. I then use
    Google groups to search the newsgroups since Outlook Express' search
    capabilities and limited. Plus Google archives a lot of messages making it
    valuable in searching past threads.

    "Jaime" <> wrote in message
    news:0d0301c38c8d$58d7a230$...
    > Yeah I know, I just didn't realize how many of you used
    > that to post.
    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >Outlook Express which in addition to a simple email

    > program also serves as
    > >an NNTP newsreader.
    > >
    > >Leigh
    > >
    > >"Jaime" <> wrote in message
    > >news:070d01c38b90$c17fb730$...
    > >> You guys use this as part of outlook? I just go to a
    > >> website and post, weird.
    > >> >-----Original Message-----
    > >> >If the messages bother you, hit the Delete button in
    > >> Outlook Express
    > >> >(assuming you have the latest version), and the message
    > >> will be removed from
    > >> >your message store.
    > >> >
    > >> >--
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > Dave Beauchemin
    > >> > Microsoft MVP, MCP
    > >> > www.webdotmag.com
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >"Leigh Kendall" <> wrote in
    > >> message
    > >> >news:eeiWl$...
    > >> >> Microsoft moderators.... can you remove the Spam

    > that's
    > >> recently been
    > >> >> flooding this newsgroup?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --
    > >> >> Leigh Kendall, MCSD, MCDBA
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >.
    > >> >

    > >
    > >.
    > >
    Leigh Kendall, Oct 7, 2003
    #11
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