What job should I persue with new MCSE?

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by Chris Lukowski, Feb 18, 2004.

  1. Hi again,

    I was wondering if any of you could give me some job
    advice. I've graduated with my AS & AAS in Computer
    Science, and I'll have my MCP, MCSE, MCSA, and CCNA certs
    within a month or so, but I have zero work experience. I
    was wondering what sort of job will take somebody in with
    these lovely certs but with no work experience. I've
    heard help desk or phone support (ack!) but I was
    wondering if there were other higher paying jobs that I
    should be looking for. Also, what do you think is an
    acceptable starting salary for a fresh MCSE/MCSA/CCNA?
    I'm hoping to get $50k, but is that reasonable for
    somebody without prior experience?

    Also, I was wondering if you could give me some info as
    to what final career I should persue. I've always thought
    I would be a network administrator, but I've heard people
    speak highly of consulting work as well. I'm not sure
    which is better. In the end, I want a 9-5 M-F career with
    job security and a comfortable but not necessarily
    luxurious salary. I also don't want to deal with the
    public any more than I have to (co-workers excluded of
    course). I've been in customer service for 6 years in a
    supermarket and at a bank and I've had ENOUGH of that
    crap :) . Gimme a Dilbert job, that's what I want lol.
    Thanks a lot guys!
     
    Chris Lukowski, Feb 18, 2004
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  2. Chris Lukowski

    Zeus Guest

    Hi there,

    I can't comment on the salary range because it depends on the area you
    are in. On type of the job, I bet you can get help-desk job considering
    your past CS experience etc. But if you don't like help-desk kinda
    thing, try for sys admin job. Junior sys admin or junior database admin
    (i.e. if you know your SQL) or junior network admin.

    I think the pay will be low for a start that is if you can get a job at
    all. Bite the bullet and try to improve your skills while pursuing more
    certs (like CCNP or CCSP or OCP or MCSE:Security or whatever you
    fancy). If you are more interested in network, go for network admin job
    even though the pay are peanuts. Try to get the experience there. Don't
    go for database job while your interest lies in network and just because
    that database job pay you slighly higher.

    If you want security in job, go for MNC or big organisations. The
    promotions will be painfully slow but at least you got your security in
    job. But pray hard that your position doesn't get outsource.

    Concerning your final career path, unless you have very strong desire on
    some particular area (e.g networking), don't make your decision now.
    Think of present situation now. If you think you like network admin job
    better, go for network. If you think you like programming, go for
    programmer job etc. Along the way, you will see and know that whether
    that path truly suits you or not. Then you have much clear mind and make
    the right decision.

    Consulting is wide field and needs many years experience. You can be
    network consultant, system consultant, ERP consultant or whatever your
    expertise is. But I must say your presentation skills, talking
    (communication) skills and your persuasive skills should be very good
    for that kind of job.

    There are many consultants out there with "all talk, no (or little)
    action and knows only how to charge (per minute or per second!!)". But
    there are also many consultants who truly knows your complex problem in
    just a matter of minutes. It all depends on experience and their
    communication skills.

    Like i told you before, after working for about 5 years or more in IT,
    you will know what you want. If you still don't know what you want after
    5 years, ...well may be you are too greedy or an idiot.

    All the best...



    Chris Lukowski wrote:

    > Hi again,
    >
    > I was wondering if any of you could give me some job
    > advice. I've graduated with my AS & AAS in Computer
    > Science, and I'll have my MCP, MCSE, MCSA, and CCNA certs
    > within a month or so, but I have zero work experience. I
    > was wondering what sort of job will take somebody in with
    > these lovely certs but with no work experience. I've
    > heard help desk or phone support (ack!) but I was
    > wondering if there were other higher paying jobs that I
    > should be looking for. Also, what do you think is an
    > acceptable starting salary for a fresh MCSE/MCSA/CCNA?
    > I'm hoping to get $50k, but is that reasonable for
    > somebody without prior experience?
    >
    > Also, I was wondering if you could give me some info as
    > to what final career I should persue. I've always thought
    > I would be a network administrator, but I've heard people
    > speak highly of consulting work as well. I'm not sure
    > which is better. In the end, I want a 9-5 M-F career with
    > job security and a comfortable but not necessarily
    > luxurious salary. I also don't want to deal with the
    > public any more than I have to (co-workers excluded of
    > course). I've been in customer service for 6 years in a
    > supermarket and at a bank and I've had ENOUGH of that
    > crap :) . Gimme a Dilbert job, that's what I want lol.
    > Thanks a lot guys!
     
    Zeus, Feb 18, 2004
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  3. Chris Lukowski

    Network Guru Guest

    "Chris Lukowski" <> wrote in message
    news:122b501c3f5e5$dc426300$...
    > Hi again,
    >
    > I was wondering if any of you could give me some job
    > advice. I've graduated with my AS & AAS in Computer
    > Science, and I'll have my MCP, MCSE, MCSA, and CCNA certs
    > within a month or so, but I have zero work experience. I
    > was wondering what sort of job will take somebody in with
    > these lovely certs but with no work experience. I've
    > heard help desk or phone support (ack!) but I was
    > wondering if there were other higher paying jobs that I
    > should be looking for. Also, what do you think is an
    > acceptable starting salary for a fresh MCSE/MCSA/CCNA?
    > I'm hoping to get $50k, but is that reasonable for
    > somebody without prior experience?
    >
    > Also, I was wondering if you could give me some info as
    > to what final career I should persue. I've always thought
    > I would be a network administrator, but I've heard people
    > speak highly of consulting work as well. I'm not sure
    > which is better. In the end, I want a 9-5 M-F career with
    > job security and a comfortable but not necessarily
    > luxurious salary. I also don't want to deal with the
    > public any more than I have to (co-workers excluded of
    > course). I've been in customer service for 6 years in a
    > supermarket and at a bank and I've had ENOUGH of that
    > crap :) . Gimme a Dilbert job, that's what I want lol.
    > Thanks a lot guys!



    Mr Lukowski,

    If I was in your shoes, I'd work my way into a company in any
    capacity.(Mailroom,delivery van driver etc etc...) After some time on the
    job, you can transfer into other depts if you prove to be a valuable asset.
    It is difficult to present a set of credentials and get hired without
    experience. However, it can be done. Use your own judgment and you will
    be fine in teh long term.
     
    Network Guru, Feb 18, 2004
    #3
  4. >I'm hoping to get $50k, but is that reasonable for
    >somebody without prior experience?


    Keep dreaming, unless that is, you are prepared to work twenty hours a
    day, six days a week.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Feb 18, 2004
    #4
  5. >If I was in your shoes,

    Bet you're glad you're not!

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Feb 18, 2004
    #5
  6. >But pray hard that your position doesn't get outsource.

    Too late to pray....

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Feb 18, 2004
    #6
  7. Chris Lukowski

    Consultant Guest

    i agree with you, i see way too many "consultants" out there who don't know
    their arse from a whole in the ground. scratch that, i see way too many
    employees who don't know crap

    "Zeus" <> wrote in message
    news:...


    > Consulting is wide field and needs many years experience. You can be
    > network consultant, system consultant, ERP consultant or whatever your
    > expertise is. But I must say your presentation skills, talking
    > (communication) skills and your persuasive skills should be very good
    > for that kind of job.
    >
    > There are many consultants out there with "all talk, no (or little)
    > action and knows only how to charge (per minute or per second!!)". But
    > there are also many consultants who truly knows your complex problem in
    > just a matter of minutes. It all depends on experience and their
    > communication skills.
    >
     
    Consultant, Feb 18, 2004
    #7
  8. > i see way too many "consultants" out there who don't know
    >their arse from a whole in the ground. scratch that, i see way too many
    >employees who don't know crap


    Sad but true.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Feb 18, 2004
    #8
  9. Actually, I see way to many employees who know a lot of crap and not much
    more.

    --
    Politician Spock
    Thug #24601


    "Consultant" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > i agree with you, i see way too many "consultants" out there who don't

    know
    > their arse from a whole in the ground. scratch that, i see way too many
    > employees who don't know crap
    >
    > "Zeus" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >
    > > Consulting is wide field and needs many years experience. You can be
    > > network consultant, system consultant, ERP consultant or whatever your
    > > expertise is. But I must say your presentation skills, talking
    > > (communication) skills and your persuasive skills should be very good
    > > for that kind of job.
    > >
    > > There are many consultants out there with "all talk, no (or little)
    > > action and knows only how to charge (per minute or per second!!)". But
    > > there are also many consultants who truly knows your complex problem in
    > > just a matter of minutes. It all depends on experience and their
    > > communication skills.
    > >

    >
    >
     
    Politician Spock, Feb 18, 2004
    #9
  10. >Actually, I see way to many employees who know a lot of crap and not much
    >more.


    It is real,

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Feb 18, 2004
    #10
  11. Oh yeah how true is that!!! Try working for an IT boss who continues to
    crash the network, yet acts like an arrogant know-it-all.


    "The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
    news:...
    > > i see way too many "consultants" out there who don't know
    > >their arse from a whole in the ground. scratch that, i see way too many
    > >employees who don't know crap

    >
    > Sad but true.
    >
    > Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    Narcoleptic Septic, Feb 18, 2004
    #11
  12. Chris Lukowski

    JaR Guest

    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere opined, On 2/18/04 5:36 AM:
    >>If I was in your shoes,

    >
    >
    > Bet you're glad you're not!
    >


    But if he was, they'd be highly polished!

    JaR
    Thug #000000
     
    JaR, Feb 18, 2004
    #12
  13. I used to, and now I make twice as much as him.

    --
    Politician Spock
    Thug #24601


    "Narcoleptic Septic" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Oh yeah how true is that!!! Try working for an IT boss who continues to
    > crash the network, yet acts like an arrogant know-it-all.
    >
    >
    > "The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > > i see way too many "consultants" out there who don't know
    > > >their arse from a whole in the ground. scratch that, i see way too many
    > > >employees who don't know crap

    > >
    > > Sad but true.
    > >
    > > Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

    >
    >
     
    Politician Spock, Feb 18, 2004
    #13
  14. Chris Lukowski

    JaR Guest

    Chris Lukowski opined, On 2/17/04 10:10 PM:


    > acceptable starting salary for a fresh MCSE/MCSA/CCNA?
    > I'm hoping to get $50k, but is that reasonable for
    > somebody without prior experience?
    >


    There are _experienced_ guys out there right now that would gladly take
    a $50k job.

    Shoot lower sheriff, I b'leive he's ridin' a shetland.

    JaR
    Pessimistic Thug
     
    JaR, Feb 18, 2004
    #14
  15. Chris Lukowski

    kat Guest

    I have to agree. I read that and laughed.

    As soon as he got his CCNA and MCSE, my bf landed a job at a hopsital
    for 50,000 a year (plus other benefits:p) But he had SEVERAL years
    experience, and it showed (both in knowledge AND on resume). Now they're
    promoting him after a year, and he literally has three local hospitals
    fighting over him. He actually manages teams of IT professionals, who
    are, technically, his superiors, making over 80,000 a year. Pisses me
    off, since he deserves a lot more. but he does get a lot of recognition
    (and a little resentment from co-workers who sit on their asses doing
    nothing all day (br@indmping Assfukers?).

    I also have experience, and only make about 40,000 a year. After 2-3
    years, decided to take the exams. I figure after my MCSE is complete, by
    this summer, I'll make as much as he does. Hopefully. If I can find a
    job :) And thats with 4 years in IT... someone who's just breaking in?
    Good luck boy.

    JaR wrote:
    > Chris Lukowski opined, On 2/17/04 10:10 PM:
    >
    >
    >> acceptable starting salary for a fresh MCSE/MCSA/CCNA? I'm hoping to
    >> get $50k, but is that reasonable for somebody without prior experience?
    >>

    >
    > There are _experienced_ guys out there right now that would gladly take
    > a $50k job.
    >
    > Shoot lower sheriff, I b'leive he's ridin' a shetland.
    >
    > JaR
    > Pessimistic Thug


    --
    Kat MCNGP Wanna be

    /* Saying your OS is the best in the world 'cause more people use it is
    like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. */
     
    kat, Feb 18, 2004
    #15
  16. Chris Lukowski

    Consultant Guest

    hey, i make more then you and your bf put together :p


    "kat" <> wrote in message
    news:4033a423$...
    > I have to agree. I read that and laughed.
    >
    > As soon as he got his CCNA and MCSE, my bf landed a job at a hopsital
    > for 50,000 a year (plus other benefits:p) But he had SEVERAL years
    > experience, and it showed (both in knowledge AND on resume). Now they're
    > promoting him after a year, and he literally has three local hospitals
    > fighting over him. He actually manages teams of IT professionals, who
    > are, technically, his superiors, making over 80,000 a year. Pisses me
    > off, since he deserves a lot more. but he does get a lot of recognition
    > (and a little resentment from co-workers who sit on their asses doing
    > nothing all day (br@indmping Assfukers?).
    >
    > I also have experience, and only make about 40,000 a year. After 2-3
    > years, decided to take the exams. I figure after my MCSE is complete, by
    > this summer, I'll make as much as he does. Hopefully. If I can find a
    > job :) And thats with 4 years in IT... someone who's just breaking in?
    > Good luck boy.
    >
    > JaR wrote:
    > > Chris Lukowski opined, On 2/17/04 10:10 PM:
    > >
    > >
    > >> acceptable starting salary for a fresh MCSE/MCSA/CCNA? I'm hoping to
    > >> get $50k, but is that reasonable for somebody without prior experience?
    > >>

    > >
    > > There are _experienced_ guys out there right now that would gladly take
    > > a $50k job.
    > >
    > > Shoot lower sheriff, I b'leive he's ridin' a shetland.
    > >
    > > JaR
    > > Pessimistic Thug

    >
    > --
    > Kat MCNGP Wanna be
    >
    > /* Saying your OS is the best in the world 'cause more people use it is
    > like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. */
    >
     
    Consultant, Feb 18, 2004
    #16
  17. Chris Lukowski

    kat Guest

    Even more so, since I'm Canadian :D

    Although, with the US dollar dropping...

    Maybe I should get into the consulting business.

    Consultant wrote:
    > hey, i make more then you and your bf put together :p
    >
    >
    > "kat" <> wrote in message
    > news:4033a423$...
    >
    >>I have to agree. I read that and laughed.
    >>
    >>As soon as he got his CCNA and MCSE, my bf landed a job at a hopsital
    >>for 50,000 a year (plus other benefits:p) But he had SEVERAL years
    >>experience, and it showed (both in knowledge AND on resume). Now they're
    >>promoting him after a year, and he literally has three local hospitals
    >>fighting over him. He actually manages teams of IT professionals, who
    >>are, technically, his superiors, making over 80,000 a year. Pisses me
    >>off, since he deserves a lot more. but he does get a lot of recognition
    >>(and a little resentment from co-workers who sit on their asses doing
    >>nothing all day (br@indmping Assfukers?).
    >>
    >>I also have experience, and only make about 40,000 a year. After 2-3
    >>years, decided to take the exams. I figure after my MCSE is complete, by
    >>this summer, I'll make as much as he does. Hopefully. If I can find a
    >>job :) And thats with 4 years in IT... someone who's just breaking in?
    >>Good luck boy.
    >>
    >>JaR wrote:
    >>
    >>>Chris Lukowski opined, On 2/17/04 10:10 PM:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>acceptable starting salary for a fresh MCSE/MCSA/CCNA? I'm hoping to
    >>>>get $50k, but is that reasonable for somebody without prior experience?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>There are _experienced_ guys out there right now that would gladly take
    >>>a $50k job.
    >>>
    >>>Shoot lower sheriff, I b'leive he's ridin' a shetland.
    >>>
    >>>JaR
    >>>Pessimistic Thug

    >>
    >>--
    >>Kat MCNGP Wanna be
    >>
    >>/* Saying your OS is the best in the world 'cause more people use it is
    >>like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. */
    >>

    >
    >
    >


    --
    Kat MCNGP Wanna be

    /* Saying your OS is the best in the world 'cause more people use it is
    like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. */
     
    kat, Feb 18, 2004
    #17
  18. And you have a wealth of modesty to go along! ;P


    "Consultant" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > hey, i make more then you and your bf put together :p
    >
    >
    > "kat" <> wrote in message
    > news:4033a423$...
    > > I have to agree. I read that and laughed.
    > >
    > > As soon as he got his CCNA and MCSE, my bf landed a job at a hopsital
    > > for 50,000 a year (plus other benefits:p) But he had SEVERAL years
    > > experience, and it showed (both in knowledge AND on resume). Now they're
    > > promoting him after a year, and he literally has three local hospitals
    > > fighting over him. He actually manages teams of IT professionals, who
    > > are, technically, his superiors, making over 80,000 a year. Pisses me
    > > off, since he deserves a lot more. but he does get a lot of recognition
    > > (and a little resentment from co-workers who sit on their asses doing
    > > nothing all day (br@indmping Assfukers?).
    > >
    > > I also have experience, and only make about 40,000 a year. After 2-3
    > > years, decided to take the exams. I figure after my MCSE is complete, by
    > > this summer, I'll make as much as he does. Hopefully. If I can find a
    > > job :) And thats with 4 years in IT... someone who's just breaking in?
    > > Good luck boy.
    > >
    > > JaR wrote:
    > > > Chris Lukowski opined, On 2/17/04 10:10 PM:
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >> acceptable starting salary for a fresh MCSE/MCSA/CCNA? I'm hoping to
    > > >> get $50k, but is that reasonable for somebody without prior

    experience?
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > > There are _experienced_ guys out there right now that would gladly

    take
    > > > a $50k job.
    > > >
    > > > Shoot lower sheriff, I b'leive he's ridin' a shetland.
    > > >
    > > > JaR
    > > > Pessimistic Thug

    > >
    > > --
    > > Kat MCNGP Wanna be
    > >
    > > /* Saying your OS is the best in the world 'cause more people use it is
    > > like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. */
    > >

    >
    >
     
    Narcoleptic Septic, Feb 18, 2004
    #18
  19. Chris Lukowski

    JaR Guest

    Consultant opined, On 2/18/04 9:59 AM:

    > hey, i make more then you and your bf put together :p
    >


    Gee, that's nice.

    Your point would be?
     
    JaR, Feb 18, 2004
    #19
  20. Chris Lukowski

    Consultant Guest

    works for me

    "kat" <> wrote in message
    news:4033aa69$...
    > Even more so, since I'm Canadian :D
    >
    > Although, with the US dollar dropping...
    >
    > Maybe I should get into the consulting business.
    >
    > Consultant wrote:
    > > hey, i make more then you and your bf put together :p
    > >
    > >
    > > "kat" <> wrote in message
    > > news:4033a423$...
    > >
    > >>I have to agree. I read that and laughed.
    > >>
    > >>As soon as he got his CCNA and MCSE, my bf landed a job at a hopsital
    > >>for 50,000 a year (plus other benefits:p) But he had SEVERAL years
    > >>experience, and it showed (both in knowledge AND on resume). Now they're
    > >>promoting him after a year, and he literally has three local hospitals
    > >>fighting over him. He actually manages teams of IT professionals, who
    > >>are, technically, his superiors, making over 80,000 a year. Pisses me
    > >>off, since he deserves a lot more. but he does get a lot of recognition
    > >>(and a little resentment from co-workers who sit on their asses doing
    > >>nothing all day (br@indmping Assfukers?).
    > >>
    > >>I also have experience, and only make about 40,000 a year. After 2-3
    > >>years, decided to take the exams. I figure after my MCSE is complete, by
    > >>this summer, I'll make as much as he does. Hopefully. If I can find a
    > >>job :) And thats with 4 years in IT... someone who's just breaking in?
    > >>Good luck boy.
    > >>
    > >>JaR wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>Chris Lukowski opined, On 2/17/04 10:10 PM:
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>acceptable starting salary for a fresh MCSE/MCSA/CCNA? I'm hoping to
    > >>>>get $50k, but is that reasonable for somebody without prior

    experience?
    > >>>>
    > >>>
    > >>>There are _experienced_ guys out there right now that would gladly take
    > >>>a $50k job.
    > >>>
    > >>>Shoot lower sheriff, I b'leive he's ridin' a shetland.
    > >>>
    > >>>JaR
    > >>>Pessimistic Thug
    > >>
    > >>--
    > >>Kat MCNGP Wanna be
    > >>
    > >>/* Saying your OS is the best in the world 'cause more people use it is
    > >>like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. */
    > >>

    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    > --
    > Kat MCNGP Wanna be
    >
    > /* Saying your OS is the best in the world 'cause more people use it is
    > like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. */
    >
     
    Consultant, Feb 18, 2004
    #20
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