what is good software to log keystrokes on my computer?

Discussion in 'Computer Security' started by admyc@hotmail.com, Aug 26, 2006.

  1. Nomen Nescio wrote:

    > Notan wrote:
    >
    >> ArtDent wrote:
    >>>
    >>> On 26-Aug-2006, Notan <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> > It's an invasion of privacy.
    >>> > It's no different than renting a room to someone, then spying on them.
    >>>
    >>> True, if the OP was renting his comp out, but if it is for when a child is
    >>> using it, then a parent has every right to keep 'tabs' on what they do.
    >>> Whether they tell them ahead of time or not. Which is almost the _only_
    >>> time a keylogger is alright in my personal opinion.

    >>
    >> Did you read the OP's latest?
    >>
    >> "You cannot steal something from someone if you are not also depriving them
    >> of that thing, and as the person will not lose their password by me knowing
    >> it too I have not stolen it!"

    >
    > Incorrect assumption. If you create something, say a literary work, you
    > own it and all copies of it. If someone makes an unauthorized copy of
    > it and retains possession, they are depriving you what's rightfully
    > yours... the copy of your work.


    This only applies to material objects. Digital copies have nothing to do
    with deprive. The lawmakers have deliberately differed between deprive and
    copyright infringement.

    > The same holds true for any literary work, even something as short as
    > a password.


    Something as short as a password hardly is a literary work of sufficient
    novelty and quality.
     
    Sebastian Gottschalk, Aug 31, 2006
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  2. Rick Merrill Guest

    Nomen Nescio wrote:
    > Notan wrote:
    >
    >
    >>ArtDent wrote:
    >>
    >>>On 26-Aug-2006, Notan <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>It's an invasion of privacy.
    >>>>It's no different than renting a room to someone, then spying on them.
    >>>
    >>>True, if the OP was renting his comp out, but if it is for when a child is
    >>>using it, then a parent has every right to keep 'tabs' on what they do.
    >>>Whether they tell them ahead of time or not. Which is almost the _only_
    >>>time a keylogger is alright in my personal opinion.

    >>
    >>Did you read the OP's latest?
    >>
    >>"You cannot steal something from someone if you are not also depriving them
    >>of that thing, and as the person will not lose their password by me knowing
    >>it too I have not stolen it!"

    >
    >
    > Incorrect assumption. If you create something, say a literary work, you
    > own it and all copies of it. If someone makes an unauthorized copy of
    > it and retains possession, they are depriving you what's rightfully
    > yours... the copy of your work.
    >
    > The same holds true for any literary work, even something as short as
    > a password.


    What about stealing a copy of a DVD?!
     
    Rick Merrill, Aug 31, 2006
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  3. Guest

    Nomen Nescio wrote:
    > Notan wrote:
    >
    > > ArtDent wrote:
    > > >
    > > > On 26-Aug-2006, Notan <> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > It's an invasion of privacy.
    > > > > It's no different than renting a room to someone, then spying on them.
    > > >
    > > > True, if the OP was renting his comp out, but if it is for when a child is
    > > > using it, then a parent has every right to keep 'tabs' on what they do.
    > > > Whether they tell them ahead of time or not. Which is almost the _only_
    > > > time a keylogger is alright in my personal opinion.

    > >
    > > Did you read the OP's latest?
    > >
    > > "You cannot steal something from someone if you are not also depriving them
    > > of that thing, and as the person will not lose their password by me knowing
    > > it too I have not stolen it!"

    >
    > Incorrect assumption. If you create something, say a literary work, you
    > own it and all copies of it. If someone makes an unauthorized copy of
    > it and retains possession, they are depriving you what's rightfully
    > yours... the copy of your work.
    >
    > The same holds true for any literary work, even something as short as
    > a password.


    Nope!

    You own the copyright (that is why an author of a book say can't come
    round to your house, find a copy of his book that you have and take it,
    he doesn't own it he owns its copyright) Also for something to be
    copyrighted it needs to be both original and have a degree of artistic
    merit.
     
    , Sep 2, 2006
    #63
  4. Guest

    Rick Merrill wrote:
    > Nomen Nescio wrote:
    > > Notan wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>ArtDent wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>On 26-Aug-2006, Notan <> wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>It's an invasion of privacy.
    > >>>>It's no different than renting a room to someone, then spying on them.
    > >>>
    > >>>True, if the OP was renting his comp out, but if it is for when a child is
    > >>>using it, then a parent has every right to keep 'tabs' on what they do.
    > >>>Whether they tell them ahead of time or not. Which is almost the _only_
    > >>>time a keylogger is alright in my personal opinion.
    > >>
    > >>Did you read the OP's latest?
    > >>
    > >>"You cannot steal something from someone if you are not also depriving them
    > >>of that thing, and as the person will not lose their password by me knowing
    > >>it too I have not stolen it!"

    > >
    > >
    > > Incorrect assumption. If you create something, say a literary work, you
    > > own it and all copies of it. If someone makes an unauthorized copy of
    > > it and retains possession, they are depriving you what's rightfully
    > > yours... the copy of your work.
    > >
    > > The same holds true for any literary work, even something as short as
    > > a password.

    >
    > What about stealing a copy of a DVD?!


    What about it?
     
    , Sep 2, 2006
    #64
  5. Guest

    Sebastian Gottschalk wrote:
    > wrote:
    >
    > >>> as I want to discover the password that someone who uses my computer uses
    > >>> for their hotmail account.
    > >>
    > >> Well, such a trivial task doesn't require any keylogger at all.

    > >
    > > Why doesn't it require a keylogger, how else can I do it?

    >
    > By using a webbrowser that allows to store entered data? By intercepting
    > the login communication while accepting the changed certificate?


    Thanks for your reply.

    I have MSIE6 running on Windows. Does this webbrowser allow me to store
    entred data and therefore passwords entred into Hotmail like you
    suggest and if so how do I go about this?

    If not how would I go about
    "intercepting the login communication while accepting the changed
    certificate?"
    and could you explain what that means?

    Ta
     
    , Sep 2, 2006
    #65
  6. wrote:


    >>>>> as I want to discover the password that someone who uses my computer uses
    >>>>> for their hotmail account.
    >>>>
    >>>> Well, such a trivial task doesn't require any keylogger at all.
    >>>
    >>> Why doesn't it require a keylogger, how else can I do it?

    >>
    >> By using a webbrowser that allows to store entered data? By intercepting
    >> the login communication while accepting the changed certificate?

    >
    > Thanks for your reply.
    >
    > I have MSIE6 running on Windows. Does this webbrowser allow me to store
    > entred data and therefore passwords entred into Hotmail like you
    > suggest and if so how do I go about this?


    Dunno, I'm not misusing MSIE as a webbrowser, and you shouldn't do so
    either.

    > If not how would I go about
    > "intercepting the login communication while accepting the changed
    > certificate?" and could you explain what that means?


    Man-in-the-middle attack on SSL. Now that you've the authority over the
    client, you can install and add trust for the certificate of the man in the
    middle.
     
    Sebastian Gottschalk, Sep 2, 2006
    #66
  7. wrote:

    > > Incorrect assumption. If you create something, say a literary work, you
    > > own it and all copies of it. If someone makes an unauthorized copy of
    > > it and retains possession, they are depriving you what's rightfully
    > > yours... the copy of your work.
    > >
    > > The same holds true for any literary work, even something as short as
    > > a password.

    >
    > Nope!
    >
    > You own the copyright (that is why an author of a book say can't come
    > round to your house, find a copy of his book that you have and take it,


    No, the reason an author can't come to your house and take your book is
    because you've paid for it or otherwise legally obtained it. IOW,
    someone paid for it.

    If you steal a book, or make your own copy, the author can certainly
    send someone to your house and take it. Those people are called police.
    It's their job to confiscate stolen property.

    Any other arguments you need dashed against a rock today?

    > he doesn't own it he owns its copyright) Also for something to be
    > copyrighted it needs to be both original and have a degree of artistic
    > merit.


    That's just ridiculous.

    Feel free to cite some "artistic merrit" requirement in copyright law.

    Take your time, we'll wait. <laugh>
     
    Borked Pseudo Mailed, Sep 2, 2006
    #67
  8. TwistyCreek Guest

    Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

    > wrote:

    [...]
    > > he doesn't own it he owns its copyright) Also for something to be
    > > copyrighted it needs to be both original and have a degree of artistic
    > > merit.

    >
    > That's just ridiculous.
    >
    > Feel free to cite some "artistic merrit" requirement in copyright law.
    >
    > Take your time, we'll wait. <laugh>


    Laugh indeed!

    This is doubly humorous because retains a copyright
    over the very post in which he spouts his artistic merit nonsense even
    though that bit of literary abomination lacks anything that could
    *possibly* be interpreted as artistry or merit. e
     
    TwistyCreek, Sep 2, 2006
    #68
  9. Jim Watt Guest

    On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:20:50 -0600 (MDT), Borked Pseudo Mailed
    <> wrote:

    >> he doesn't own it he owns its copyright) Also for something to be
    >> copyrighted it needs to be both original and have a degree of artistic
    >> merit.

    >
    >That's just ridiculous.


    what the current law here says copyright exists on :

    (a) Original literary, dramatic, musical and artistic works;
    (b) Sound recordings, films, or broadcasts and
    (c) the typographical arangement of published editions

    Interestingly enough the section on computer programs
    specifically excludes any licence terms which prohibit
    making backup copies and decompiling programs to determine
    how they work.

    It also says that any states who do not recognise our
    copyright do not have any protection here in respect
    of theirs.

    This is the 2004 edition based on the latest EU directive.


    --
    Jim Watt
    http://www.gibnet.com
     
    Jim Watt, Sep 2, 2006
    #69
  10. zxzasa

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    thats's kinda nice: www_protemac_com/keybag/
     
    zxzasa, Jan 20, 2011
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