What does Snagless mean in relation to Patch Cables?

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by M, May 27, 2007.

  1. M

    M Guest

    I need to order some patch cables and some are described as Snagless, what
    does this mean? Is there any reason why I should choose booted or unbooted?
    Thanks.
     
    M, May 27, 2007
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  2. "M" <> wrote in message
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    >I need to order some patch cables and some are described as Snagless, what
    >does this mean? Is there any reason why I should choose booted or
    >unbooted?
    > Thanks.
    >


    Snagless design has that plastic boot that covers the tab so it doesn't
    catch or break off when you are pulling it through a tangle of other cables
    or the wall.
     
    Charlie Allnut, May 27, 2007
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  3. M

    why? Guest

    On Sun, 27 May 2007 18:56:54 +0100, M wrote:

    >I need to order some patch cables and some are described as Snagless, what
    >does this mean? Is there any reason why I should choose booted or unbooted?
    >Thanks.


    Generally booted is snagless, although the
    http://www.thetechgeek.net/images/product_photos/308-603GY.jpg
    boot is sometimes a tab.
    http://www.comtec.ca/images/cable/cable-Startech-45PATCH10GN.jpg

    These Belkin 'wing' types are a pain.
    http://img.idealo.at/folder/Product/532/3/532335/produktbild_mittel.gif

    This type of boot is better
    http://www.worldofcables.com/store/catalog/15178.jpg
    however you will also notive the trend to the boot being part of the
    moulded on connector.

    It means when unpatching and it's a bit of a tangle you can pull the
    cable back without breaking the tab.

    Having installed 60 new switches the last few weeks when it comes to
    repatching 500 last week and another 500 from tomorrow and maybe 300
    the week after it makes a very big difference.

    In high density patching trying to get a finger into the space to press
    down the boot and clip can be a pain. We find these types with the boot
    that is a full cover is very good. We slip the cover back and when
    unpatching you only have to slide the boot back over the plug before
    pulling the cable back.

    Such as this, you can see it's a 1 part boot,
    http://www.doba.com/site/images.products/1/308-603bl.jpg
    better picture
    http://www.bluedelta.co.uk/images/boot.jpg


    Me
     
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  4. M

    WhzzKdd Guest

    "why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > On Sun, 27 May 2007 18:56:54 +0100, M wrote:
    >
    >>I need to order some patch cables and some are described as Snagless, what
    >>does this mean? Is there any reason why I should choose booted or
    >>unbooted?
    >>Thanks.

    >
    > Generally booted is snagless, although the
    > http://www.thetechgeek.net/images/product_photos/308-603GY.jpg
    > boot is sometimes a tab.
    > http://www.comtec.ca/images/cable/cable-Startech-45PATCH10GN.jpg
    >
    > These Belkin 'wing' types are a pain.
    > http://img.idealo.at/folder/Product/532/3/532335/produktbild_mittel.gif
    >
    > This type of boot is better
    > http://www.worldofcables.com/store/catalog/15178.jpg
    > however you will also notive the trend to the boot being part of the
    > moulded on connector.


    I don't WANT no STINKIN' molded on boot. What a PITA. Like you mention
    below, it's hard to get the boot and tab pushed down to disconnect in tight
    spaces. Especially with the joint problems in my fingers. I've been know to
    go after them with duck-bill pliers <grin>

    > It means when unpatching and it's a bit of a tangle you can pull the
    > cable back without breaking the tab.
    >
    > Having installed 60 new switches the last few weeks when it comes to
    > repatching 500 last week and another 500 from tomorrow and maybe 300
    > the week after it makes a very big difference.
    >
    > In high density patching trying to get a finger into the space to press
    > down the boot and clip can be a pain. We find these types with the boot
    > that is a full cover is very good. We slip the cover back and when
    > unpatching you only have to slide the boot back over the plug before
    > pulling the cable back.
    >
    > Such as this, you can see it's a 1 part boot,
    > http://www.doba.com/site/images.products/1/308-603bl.jpg
    > better picture
    > http://www.bluedelta.co.uk/images/boot.jpg
    >
    >
    > Me


    Yeah - I keep telling the boss at work we need to dump the 3Com 10/100
    switches and go Gigabit. But that means pulling new cable (some of ours is
    really poor and barely connects at 100) and he doesn't want to pay for it.
    And I will NOT go up in that attic again. Last time I slipped and put my
    knee through the ceiling, and spent half a Saturday patching it up <g>
     
    WhzzKdd, May 27, 2007
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  5. M

    why? Guest

    On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:18:17 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:

    >"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >>
    >> On Sun, 27 May 2007 18:56:54 +0100, M wrote:
    >>
    >>>I need to order some patch cables and some are described as Snagless, what
    >>>does this mean? Is there any reason why I should choose booted or
    >>>unbooted?
    >>>Thanks.

    >>
    >> Generally booted is snagless, although the
    >> http://www.thetechgeek.net/images/product_photos/308-603GY.jpg
    >> boot is sometimes a tab.
    >> http://www.comtec.ca/images/cable/cable-Startech-45PATCH10GN.jpg


    <snip>

    >> Me

    >
    >Yeah - I keep telling the boss at work we need to dump the 3Com 10/100
    >switches and go Gigabit. But that means pulling new cable (some of ours is
    >really poor and barely connects at 100) and he doesn't want to pay for it.


    Ah well we got lucky 1st budget was flood fill fiber 12 and 24 core plus
    90% copper flooded.

    Sadly sometimes that's not enough fiber.

    >And I will NOT go up in that attic again. Last time I slipped and put my
    >knee through the ceiling, and spent half a Saturday patching it up <g>


    Had 1 of those moments, suspended ceiling using 2x4's nailed to wooden
    support frame, stone roof/wall. Some supports had 5 or 6 nails, others
    had 3. It creaked a lot when lying up there in a 2 foot space to run
    cables.

    We are not telling the punters there is Gig available on the new kit.
    Backbone is only 1G anyway and few servers are.

    Me
     
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  6. M

    WhzzKdd Guest

    "why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:18:17 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:
    >
    >>"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>>
    >>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 18:56:54 +0100, M wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>I need to order some patch cables and some are described as Snagless,
    >>>>what
    >>>>does this mean? Is there any reason why I should choose booted or
    >>>>unbooted?
    >>>>Thanks.
    >>>
    >>> Generally booted is snagless, although the
    >>> http://www.thetechgeek.net/images/product_photos/308-603GY.jpg
    >>> boot is sometimes a tab.
    >>> http://www.comtec.ca/images/cable/cable-Startech-45PATCH10GN.jpg

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    >>> Me

    >>
    >>Yeah - I keep telling the boss at work we need to dump the 3Com 10/100
    >>switches and go Gigabit. But that means pulling new cable (some of ours is
    >>really poor and barely connects at 100) and he doesn't want to pay for it.

    >
    > Ah well we got lucky 1st budget was flood fill fiber 12 and 24 core plus
    > 90% copper flooded.
    >
    > Sadly sometimes that's not enough fiber.
    >
    >>And I will NOT go up in that attic again. Last time I slipped and put my
    >>knee through the ceiling, and spent half a Saturday patching it up <g>

    >
    > Had 1 of those moments, suspended ceiling using 2x4's nailed to wooden
    > support frame, stone roof/wall. Some supports had 5 or 6 nails, others
    > had 3. It creaked a lot when lying up there in a 2 foot space to run
    > cables.
    >
    > We are not telling the punters there is Gig available on the new kit.
    > Backbone is only 1G anyway and few servers are.
    >

    good idea ;)

    Here's a strange one for you:

    Dell server, less than three years old, running NetWare 6.5 SBE. Been
    totally flawless until the last few weeks. Now, every morning between 6:30
    and 6:35 the (onboard) NIC "disconnects". Server loses connection with
    switch, all logged on PCs take a dump and need to re-logon. The 9 year old
    server next to it, on the same AC line, and the same switch has no issues.

    I updated the NetWare to the latest service pack, I updated the NIC drivers,
    no change. The AC seems to be fine (no reports in the battery backup
    monitoring software logs), I replaced the switch. I think tomorrow I'll stop
    by (no one is working) and replace the patch cables. But short of putting a
    new NIC in the machine, I'm pretty much lost <g>
     
    WhzzKdd, May 28, 2007
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  7. M

    why? Guest

    On Sun, 27 May 2007 16:56:41 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:

    >"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >>
    >> On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:18:17 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:
    >>
    >>>"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >>>news:...
    >>>>
    >>>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 18:56:54 +0100, M wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>I need to order some patch cables and some are described as Snagless,
    >>>>>what
    >>>>>does this mean? Is there any reason why I should choose booted or
    >>>>>unbooted?
    >>>>>Thanks.
    >>>>
    >>>> Generally booted is snagless, although the
    >>>> http://www.thetechgeek.net/images/product_photos/308-603GY.jpg
    >>>> boot is sometimes a tab.
    >>>> http://www.comtec.ca/images/cable/cable-Startech-45PATCH10GN.jpg

    >>
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >>>> Me
    >>>
    >>>Yeah - I keep telling the boss at work we need to dump the 3Com 10/100
    >>>switches and go Gigabit. But that means pulling new cable (some of ours is
    >>>really poor and barely connects at 100) and he doesn't want to pay for it.

    >>
    >> Ah well we got lucky 1st budget was flood fill fiber 12 and 24 core plus
    >> 90% copper flooded.


    <snip>

    >> We are not telling the punters there is Gig available on the new kit.
    >> Backbone is only 1G anyway and few servers are.
    >>

    >good idea ;)
    >
    >Here's a strange one for you:
    >
    >Dell server, less than three years old, running NetWare 6.5 SBE. Been
    >totally flawless until the last few weeks. Now, every morning between 6:30
    >and 6:35 the (onboard) NIC "disconnects". Server loses connection with
    >switch, all logged on PCs take a dump and need to re-logon. The 9 year old
    >server next to it, on the same AC line, and the same switch has no issues.
    >
    >I updated the NetWare to the latest service pack, I updated the NIC drivers,
    >no change. The AC seems to be fine (no reports in the battery backup
    >monitoring software logs), I replaced the switch. I think tomorrow I'll stop
    >by (no one is working) and replace the patch cables. But short of putting a
    >new NIC in the machine, I'm pretty much lost <g>


    Not so strange,

    2 x IBM x360 somethings, running remote management sessions VMWare.
    2 x Sun servers, old SparcStation and brand new E450(I think it was)
    1 x Dell GX100 print server.

    For 4 months all were logging disconnects, people getting upset about
    this. Monitoring and sniffers found nothing, couldn't run a sniffer long
    enough as disks would fill up, besides more than a few minutes data
    takes days to work through.

    Whole room on UPS, all connected to same switch stack 3 switches. Split
    the stack into 2 and 1, same problem. 60 other connections on the 2
    switch stack not reporting any issues.

    Switch port stats not showing any issues.

    Finally had some free ports on another switch, the 1 that was the 3rd in
    the stack. Moved 3 of the 5 connections over and problem stopped.

    1 server is reported to still be dropping sessions but not logging it.

    Me
     
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  8. M

    WhzzKdd Guest

    "why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > On Sun, 27 May 2007 16:56:41 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:
    >
    >>"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>>
    >>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:18:17 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >>>>news:...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 18:56:54 +0100, M wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>I need to order some patch cables and some are described as Snagless,
    >>>>>>what
    >>>>>>does this mean? Is there any reason why I should choose booted or
    >>>>>>unbooted?
    >>>>>>Thanks.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Generally booted is snagless, although the
    >>>>> http://www.thetechgeek.net/images/product_photos/308-603GY.jpg
    >>>>> boot is sometimes a tab.
    >>>>> http://www.comtec.ca/images/cable/cable-Startech-45PATCH10GN.jpg
    >>>
    >>> <snip>
    >>>
    >>>>> Me
    >>>>
    >>>>Yeah - I keep telling the boss at work we need to dump the 3Com 10/100
    >>>>switches and go Gigabit. But that means pulling new cable (some of ours
    >>>>is
    >>>>really poor and barely connects at 100) and he doesn't want to pay for
    >>>>it.
    >>>
    >>> Ah well we got lucky 1st budget was flood fill fiber 12 and 24 core plus
    >>> 90% copper flooded.

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    >>> We are not telling the punters there is Gig available on the new kit.
    >>> Backbone is only 1G anyway and few servers are.
    >>>

    >>good idea ;)
    >>
    >>Here's a strange one for you:
    >>
    >>Dell server, less than three years old, running NetWare 6.5 SBE. Been
    >>totally flawless until the last few weeks. Now, every morning between 6:30
    >>and 6:35 the (onboard) NIC "disconnects". Server loses connection with
    >>switch, all logged on PCs take a dump and need to re-logon. The 9 year old
    >>server next to it, on the same AC line, and the same switch has no issues.
    >>
    >>I updated the NetWare to the latest service pack, I updated the NIC
    >>drivers,
    >>no change. The AC seems to be fine (no reports in the battery backup
    >>monitoring software logs), I replaced the switch. I think tomorrow I'll
    >>stop
    >>by (no one is working) and replace the patch cables. But short of putting
    >>a
    >>new NIC in the machine, I'm pretty much lost <g>

    >
    > Not so strange,
    >
    > 2 x IBM x360 somethings, running remote management sessions VMWare.
    > 2 x Sun servers, old SparcStation and brand new E450(I think it was)
    > 1 x Dell GX100 print server.
    >
    > For 4 months all were logging disconnects, people getting upset about
    > this. Monitoring and sniffers found nothing, couldn't run a sniffer long
    > enough as disks would fill up, besides more than a few minutes data
    > takes days to work through.


    No doubt!

    > Whole room on UPS, all connected to same switch stack 3 switches. Split
    > the stack into 2 and 1, same problem. 60 other connections on the 2
    > switch stack not reporting any issues.
    >
    > Switch port stats not showing any issues.
    >
    > Finally had some free ports on another switch, the 1 that was the 3rd in
    > the stack. Moved 3 of the 5 connections over and problem stopped.
    >
    > 1 server is reported to still be dropping sessions but not logging it.
    >
    > Me


    Yeah - irritating when nothing shows why. And pissed-off employees makes it
    even worse <g>! Many of our users are pretty much computer illiterate beyond
    exactly what they were taught to do their job. So if the network connection
    is lost, they haven't a clue how to save their open files locally, and then
    return them to the network when they get back on. Heck, most of them can't
    figure out how to log back on without rebooting :)

    We've got a rather small setup - only about 45 users. So it's not too
    difficult to manage and still do customer service work. But we have some
    upgrades in the plans for this year and I bet I get some serious overtime.
     
    WhzzKdd, May 28, 2007
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  9. M

    why? Guest

    On Mon, 28 May 2007 06:43:33 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:

    >"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >>
    >> On Sun, 27 May 2007 16:56:41 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:
    >>
    >>>"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >>>news:...
    >>>>
    >>>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:18:17 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >>>>>news:...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 18:56:54 +0100, M wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>I need to order some patch cables and some are described as Snagless,
    >>>>>>>what
    >>>>>>>does this mean? Is there any reason why I should choose booted or
    >>>>>>>unbooted?
    >>>>>>>Thanks.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Generally booted is snagless, although the
    >>>>>> http://www.thetechgeek.net/images/product_photos/308-603GY.jpg
    >>>>>> boot is sometimes a tab.
    >>>>>> http://www.comtec.ca/images/cable/cable-Startech-45PATCH10GN.jpg
    >>>>
    >>>> <snip>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> Me
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Yeah - I keep telling the boss at work we need to dump the 3Com 10/100
    >>>>>switches and go Gigabit. But that means pulling new cable (some of ours
    >>>>>is
    >>>>>really poor and barely connects at 100) and he doesn't want to pay for
    >>>>>it.
    >>>>
    >>>> Ah well we got lucky 1st budget was flood fill fiber 12 and 24 core plus
    >>>> 90% copper flooded.

    >>
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >>>> We are not telling the punters there is Gig available on the new kit.
    >>>> Backbone is only 1G anyway and few servers are.
    >>>>
    >>>good idea ;)
    >>>
    >>>Here's a strange one for you:
    >>>
    >>>Dell server, less than three years old, running NetWare 6.5 SBE. Been
    >>>totally flawless until the last few weeks. Now, every morning between 6:30
    >>>and 6:35 the (onboard) NIC "disconnects". Server loses connection with
    >>>switch, all logged on PCs take a dump and need to re-logon. The 9 year old
    >>>server next to it, on the same AC line, and the same switch has no issues.


    <snip>

    >> Not so strange,
    >>
    >> 2 x IBM x360 somethings, running remote management sessions VMWare.
    >> 2 x Sun servers, old SparcStation and brand new E450(I think it was)
    >> 1 x Dell GX100 print server.
    >>
    >> For 4 months all were logging disconnects, people getting upset about
    >> this. Monitoring and sniffers found nothing, couldn't run a sniffer long
    >> enough as disks would fill up, besides more than a few minutes data
    >> takes days to work through.


    <snip>

    >Yeah - irritating when nothing shows why. And pissed-off employees makes it


    Except IBM and many Unix based OS forums list the exact same symptoms in
    posts going back 3 years and many solutions haven't worked.

    Worse when it your own IT company making it an issue.

    >even worse <g>! Many of our users are pretty much computer illiterate beyond
    >exactly what they were taught to do their job. So if the network connection


    No change there.

    <snip>

    >We've got a rather small setup - only about 45 users. So it's not too


    Nice small numbers. Last place I worked the 45 could have been 40
    different customers. Nowdays with 1000's about the only thing better was
    the pay.

    <snip>

    3/4's of the way through tonights upgrade and it was cancelled all those
    patch cables pulled only to put back.

    Me
     
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  10. M

    WhzzKdd Guest

    "why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > 3/4's of the way through tonights upgrade and it was cancelled all those
    > patch cables pulled only to put back.
    >


    How can they do that? All the time invested, the components, etc. Cancelling
    work in progress just seems stupid.

    I stopped by the office this morning and looked at the server that's been
    disconnecting. It didn't go down one time all weekend. I did change the
    cables anyway since I was there. I'm wondering if I have some workstation
    causing the problem? It always seems to be just past 6:30 (someone logging
    in then?) or just after 1:00 (back from lunch?) Hmmmm...maybe I'll have
    payroll check that against the timesheets turned in...
     
    WhzzKdd, May 28, 2007
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  11. M

    why? Guest

    On Mon, 28 May 2007 14:59:17 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:

    >"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >>
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >> 3/4's of the way through tonights upgrade and it was cancelled all those
    >> patch cables pulled only to put back.
    >>

    >
    >How can they do that? All the time invested, the components, etc. Cancelling
    >work in progress just seems stupid.


    An Idiot manager, panics over 3 floors of patches changed to new kit
    last week. 3 minor issues affecting 5 people here, 10 over there, 5
    somewhere else. The old and new networks are running in parallel so
    simple fix is keep those with issues on the old set of IP addresses and
    move whatever 97%+ of the rest. We are already not moving for now kit
    that has static IPs anyway.

    The customer company also cancelled a night shift.

    >I stopped by the office this morning and looked at the server that's been
    >disconnecting. It didn't go down one time all weekend. I did change the
    >cables anyway since I was there. I'm wondering if I have some workstation


    Always worth changing cables, and sometimes the run under the floor. We
    get the odd PC doesn't work, replace patches at both ends, retest with
    the NetTool still fails. Original patch cables work if moved to another
    underfloor link.

    Must the rats eating 1 wire out of the 8 in the UTP cable, and reparing
    it overnight as sometimes no problems are found.

    >causing the problem? It always seems to be just past 6:30 (someone logging
    >in then?) or just after 1:00 (back from lunch?) Hmmmm...maybe I'll have
    >payroll check that against the timesheets turned in...


    That sounds a bit better, 2 nice distinct times.

    Me
     
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    WhzzKdd Guest

    "why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > On Mon, 28 May 2007 14:59:17 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:
    >
    >>"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>>
    >>> <snip>

    >
    > Always worth changing cables, and sometimes the run under the floor. We
    > get the odd PC doesn't work, replace patches at both ends, retest with
    > the NetTool still fails. Original patch cables work if moved to another
    > underfloor link.
    >
    > Must the rats eating 1 wire out of the 8 in the UTP cable, and reparing
    > it overnight as sometimes no problems are found.
    >


    Heh! I had a $5K Zebra thermal transfer label printer die in production
    about 12 years ago. Some freakin' mouse had crawled inside and took a piss
    on the stepper motor controller. The manufacturer quoted us nearly $1K to
    fix it. I had a friend get me the schematics, traced down which IC had to be
    replaced, found it and fixed it myself. Just under $100 - and I've done all
    the repairs and maintenance on those printers ever since. Unfortunately,
    since about couple of years ago the thermal printheads are no longer
    available, we just had to replace the printer - after 18 years of hard
    service. New model required me to re-write the label format information
    files, but no big deal - I wrote the entire custom DB and stuff in
    QuickBasic 4.5 many years ago <g>.

    Rats, mice, rodents of many varieties - not kind to the industry.
     
    WhzzKdd, May 29, 2007
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  13. M

    why? Guest

    On Mon, 28 May 2007 16:33:01 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:

    >"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >>
    >> On Mon, 28 May 2007 14:59:17 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:
    >>
    >>>"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >>>news:...
    >>>>
    >>>> <snip>

    >>
    >> Always worth changing cables, and sometimes the run under the floor. We
    >> get the odd PC doesn't work, replace patches at both ends, retest with
    >> the NetTool still fails. Original patch cables work if moved to another
    >> underfloor link.
    >>
    >> Must the rats eating 1 wire out of the 8 in the UTP cable, and reparing
    >> it overnight as sometimes no problems are found.
    >>

    >
    >Heh! I had a $5K Zebra thermal transfer label printer die in production
    >about 12 years ago. Some freakin' mouse had crawled inside and took a piss


    That's torn it you had to mention Zebra printers groan.....

    <snip>

    >Rats, mice, rodents of many varieties - not kind to the industry.


    In the old building we used to be in, one had to check chair and desk
    for rat crap in the mornings. It's 1 way to enforce a clean desk policy
    and making everyone tidy up each night.

    Me
     
    why?, May 29, 2007
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    WhzzKdd Guest

    "why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > In the old building we used to be in, one had to check chair and desk
    > for rat crap in the mornings. It's 1 way to enforce a clean desk policy
    > and making everyone tidy up each night.
    >


    LOL!! Not at our place. We got some real pigs there. Now, my desk and
    workspace may be cluttered (odd laptops, computer parts, boxes from
    incoming/outgoing parcels, etc.) but at least one could eat in there without
    fearing for food poisoning. Some of the OTHER offices though...
     
    WhzzKdd, May 29, 2007
    #14
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    Top Guest

    On Tue, 29 May 2007 12:46:07 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:

    > "why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>
    >> In the old building we used to be in, one had to check chair and desk
    >> for rat crap in the mornings. It's 1 way to enforce a clean desk policy
    >> and making everyone tidy up each night.
    >>

    >
    > LOL!! Not at our place. We got some real pigs there. Now, my desk and
    > workspace may be cluttered (odd laptops, computer parts, boxes from
    > incoming/outgoing parcels, etc.) but at least one could eat in there without
    > fearing for food poisoning. Some of the OTHER offices though...


    The last job before retirement gave us good reason to be VERY clean by
    habit. We were a research chemical supply company. If you couldn't
    identify something don't touch it until a chemist checked. If you knew it
    to toxic get a chemist. NEVER eat or drink from an open container outside
    the lunch room. There were any number of safety procedures in place. Talk
    about reason to clean up!

    Top
     
    Top, May 30, 2007
    #15
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    WhzzKdd Guest

    "Top" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > On Tue, 29 May 2007 12:46:07 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:
    >
    >> "why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>>
    >>> In the old building we used to be in, one had to check chair and desk
    >>> for rat crap in the mornings. It's 1 way to enforce a clean desk policy
    >>> and making everyone tidy up each night.
    >>>

    >>
    >> LOL!! Not at our place. We got some real pigs there. Now, my desk and
    >> workspace may be cluttered (odd laptops, computer parts, boxes from
    >> incoming/outgoing parcels, etc.) but at least one could eat in there
    >> without
    >> fearing for food poisoning. Some of the OTHER offices though...

    >
    > The last job before retirement gave us good reason to be VERY clean by
    > habit. We were a research chemical supply company. If you couldn't
    > identify something don't touch it until a chemist checked. If you knew it
    > to toxic get a chemist. NEVER eat or drink from an open container outside
    > the lunch room. There were any number of safety procedures in place. Talk
    > about reason to clean up!
    >


    Can't argue with those policies <g>
     
    WhzzKdd, May 30, 2007
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    why? Guest

    On Tue, 29 May 2007 20:08:42 -0400, Top wrote:

    >On Tue, 29 May 2007 12:46:07 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:
    >
    >> "why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>>
    >>> In the old building we used to be in, one had to check chair and desk
    >>> for rat crap in the mornings. It's 1 way to enforce a clean desk policy
    >>> and making everyone tidy up each night.
    >>>

    >>
    >> LOL!! Not at our place. We got some real pigs there. Now, my desk and
    >> workspace may be cluttered (odd laptops, computer parts, boxes from
    >> incoming/outgoing parcels, etc.) but at least one could eat in there without
    >> fearing for food poisoning. Some of the OTHER offices though...

    >
    >The last job before retirement gave us good reason to be VERY clean by
    >habit. We were a research chemical supply company. If you couldn't
    >identify something don't touch it until a chemist checked. If you knew it
    >to toxic get a chemist. NEVER eat or drink from an open container outside
    >the lunch room. There were any number of safety procedures in place. Talk
    >about reason to clean up!


    Makes a lot of sense.

    If only the similar thing could be said for users, It is really really
    totally a pain to get a helpdesk call, customer chasing for thier own
    fault.

    There is nothing I can do until after they phone up telling me they
    plugged the PC into a) the phone RJ45 socket, b) the socket that isn't
    connected or c) the wrong network. Putting the cable back into the
    correct socket never seems to happen.

    Me
     
    why?, May 30, 2007
    #17
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    WhzzKdd Guest

    "why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > On Sun, 27 May 2007 16:56:41 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:
    >>
    >>Here's a strange one for you:
    >>
    >>Dell server, less than three years old, running NetWare 6.5 SBE. Been
    >>totally flawless until the last few weeks. Now, every morning between 6:30
    >>and 6:35 the (onboard) NIC "disconnects". Server loses connection with
    >>switch, all logged on PCs take a dump and need to re-logon. The 9 year old
    >>server next to it, on the same AC line, and the same switch has no issues.
    >>
    >>I updated the NetWare to the latest service pack, I updated the NIC
    >>drivers,
    >>no change. The AC seems to be fine (no reports in the battery backup
    >>monitoring software logs), I replaced the switch. I think tomorrow I'll
    >>stop
    >>by (no one is working) and replace the patch cables. But short of putting
    >>a
    >>new NIC in the machine, I'm pretty much lost <g>

    >
    > Not so strange,
    >



    Fixed. It was the vacuum cleaner.

    No joke! Every morning the cleaning crew plugs in their commercial vacuum
    cleaner on the outside of the room our switches are in. It sucks the AC down
    enough that the switches restart. Apparently the UPS in there died recently,
    and so it wasn't cleaning up the power. The OLD server is so slow to respond
    to the lost connection, that the connection is up before it's even noticed
    <g>

    So now I'm going shopping for batteries for the UPS. And I'm having the
    electricians look at the power situation there. So much fun ;)
     
    WhzzKdd, May 31, 2007
    #18
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    why? Guest

    On Thu, 31 May 2007 11:51:57 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:

    >"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >>
    >> On Sun, 27 May 2007 16:56:41 -0700, WhzzKdd wrote:
    >>>
    >>>Here's a strange one for you:
    >>>
    >>>Dell server, less than three years old, running NetWare 6.5 SBE. Been
    >>>totally flawless until the last few weeks. Now, every morning between 6:30
    >>>and 6:35 the (onboard) NIC "disconnects". Server loses connection with
    >>>switch, all logged on PCs take a dump and need to re-logon. The 9 year old
    >>>server next to it, on the same AC line, and the same switch has no issues.
    >>>
    >>>I updated the NetWare to the latest service pack, I updated the NIC
    >>>drivers,
    >>>no change. The AC seems to be fine (no reports in the battery backup
    >>>monitoring software logs), I replaced the switch. I think tomorrow I'll
    >>>stop
    >>>by (no one is working) and replace the patch cables. But short of putting
    >>>a
    >>>new NIC in the machine, I'm pretty much lost <g>

    >>
    >> Not so strange,
    >>

    >
    >
    >Fixed. It was the vacuum cleaner.
    >
    >No joke! Every morning the cleaning crew plugs in their commercial vacuum
    >cleaner on the outside of the room our switches are in. It sucks the AC down
    >enough that the switches restart. Apparently the UPS in there died recently,
    >and so it wasn't cleaning up the power. The OLD server is so slow to respond
    >to the lost connection, that the connection is up before it's even noticed
    ><g>


    It's usually something like that :) at the same time.

    We have cleaners sockets all over the building, older part of site it's
    twin wall mounted filters sockets, other building they are round covers
    in the floor tiles.

    Still they insist on using the PC power sockets under desks, the 4 way
    sockets mounted on desks even thought the fuses are 3.15A. A few times
    it's been the protected sockets on a lab bench as kit is running.
    The worst is the damaged data and phone cables because they don't put
    the cables back when they push the floorbox lids back on.

    >So now I'm going shopping for batteries for the UPS. And I'm having the
    >electricians look at the power situation there. So much fun ;)


    Good luck, our place had 3 yr old UPS, the manufacturer recommended
    replace all batteries during it's upgrade our lot didn't. The
    manufacturer said the supply is a bit unbalanced and won't last the max
    time.

    Me
     
    why?, Jun 2, 2007
    #19
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