web page testers wanted

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Richard, Oct 8, 2003.

  1. Richard

    Richard Guest

    http://1-large-world.com/testing/

    need to know from vairous users how the page loads for you.
    Does the rollover image swap work in your browser?
    Do the images swap immediately or do they "load" again?
    I'm on cable so I don't know what dialup response is like.

    Thanks to all who reply.

    <flame retardant suit on>
     
    Richard, Oct 8, 2003
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  2. Richard

    Harrison Guest

    You need to supply the full URL.
    Your link is a directory path.

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:51:49 -0500, "Richard" <anom@anom> wrote:

    >http://1-large-world.com/testing/
    >
    >need to know from vairous users how the page loads for you.
    >Does the rollover image swap work in your browser?
    >Do the images swap immediately or do they "load" again?
    >I'm on cable so I don't know what dialup response is like.
    >
    >Thanks to all who reply.
    >
    ><flame retardant suit on>
    >
     
    Harrison, Oct 8, 2003
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  3. Richard

    Brian H¹© Guest

    Harrison said:

    > You need to supply the full URL.
    > Your link is a directory path.


    *NEVER* trust an unfamiliar link given by Richard Bullis.

    >
    > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:51:49 -0500, "Richard" <anom@anom> wrote:
    >
    >> http://pissoffbullis.com/testing/
    >>
    >> need to know from vairous users how the page loads for you.
    >> Does the rollover image swap work in your browser?
    >> Do the images swap immediately or do they "load" again?
    >> I'm on cable so I don't know what dialup response is like.
    >>
    >> Thanks to all who reply.
    >>
    >> <flame retardant suit on>
     
    Brian H¹©, Oct 8, 2003
    #3
  4. Richard

    Jackal Guest

    Hey Richard,
    I got ISDN and it works fine for me.
    The page load a bit long, 30sec. but when the page was in, everything worked
    well.
    Images displayed instand when hover over the links, so i guess you did a
    good job ;)

    Jack


    "Richard" <anom@anom> schreef in bericht
    news:...
    > http://1-large-world.com/testing/
    >
    > need to know from vairous users how the page loads for you.
    > Does the rollover image swap work in your browser?
    > Do the images swap immediately or do they "load" again?
    > I'm on cable so I don't know what dialup response is like.
    >
    > Thanks to all who reply.
    >
    > <flame retardant suit on>
    >
    >
     
    Jackal, Oct 8, 2003
    #4
  5. Richard

    Harrison Guest

    I was curious as to which trojan it would attempt to load.

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:51:12 +0100, "Brian H¹©" <>
    wrote:

    >Harrison said:
    >
    >> You need to supply the full URL.
    >> Your link is a directory path.

    >
    >*NEVER* trust an unfamiliar link given by Richard Bullis.
    >
    >>
    >> On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:51:49 -0500, "Richard" <anom@anom> wrote:
    >>
    >>> http://pissoffbullis.com/testing/
    >>>
    >>> need to know from vairous users how the page loads for you.
    >>> Does the rollover image swap work in your browser?
    >>> Do the images swap immediately or do they "load" again?
    >>> I'm on cable so I don't know what dialup response is like.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks to all who reply.
    >>>
    >>> <flame retardant suit on>

    >
    >
     
    Harrison, Oct 8, 2003
    #5
  6. Richard

    Brian H¹© Guest

    Harrison said:

    > I was curious as to which trojan it would attempt to load.


    You never know what pics could be loading to your cache.

    >
    > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:51:12 +0100, "Brian H¹©" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Harrison said:
    >>
    >>> You need to supply the full URL.
    >>> Your link is a directory path.

    >>
    >> *NEVER* trust an unfamiliar link given by Richard Bullis.
    >>
    >>>
    >>> On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:51:49 -0500, "Richard" <anom@anom> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> http://pissoffbullis.com/testing/
    >>>>
    >>>> need to know from vairous users how the page loads for you.
    >>>> Does the rollover image swap work in your browser?
    >>>> Do the images swap immediately or do they "load" again?
    >>>> I'm on cable so I don't know what dialup response is like.
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks to all who reply.
    >>>>
    >>>> <flame retardant suit on>
     
    Brian H¹©, Oct 8, 2003
    #6
  7. Richard

    why? Guest

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:51:49 -0500, Richard wrote:

    >http://1-large-world.com/testing/


    Slow to load, ARGH!!!! the tiny little graphics come to a horrible
    180KB, you are taking 2 by 400x400 and a 200x150 image and forcing them
    to be displayed in a tiny 20x20 box.

    Please create thumbnails, even if 20x20 is too small try 32x32. cast3
    can be reduced to a bmp/gif/jpg of 1.2K or less.


    You have this, fine.
    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">

    You don't have, character encoding labeling, something like
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
    hence it can't be validated
    http://validator.w3.org/
    automatically as per the DOCTYPE line.

    Trying the extended options
    http://validator.w3.org/detailed.html
    getting timeouts connecting, possibly due to the large page size?

    Using the file upload, i.e. a copy I saved locally and (MSIE alters
    files when saved, but does not affect the results in this case).

    File: [No title].htm
    Encoding: windows-1252
    Doctype: HTML 4.0 Transitional
    Errors: 5
    This page is not Valid HTML 4.0 Transitional!

    Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an SGML
    parser.

    Line 17, column 62: required attribute "ALT" not specified (explain...).
    ...IMG height=20 src="[No title]_files/cast3.jpg" width=20> <IMG
    height=20
    ^
    Line 18, column 43: required attribute "ALT" not specified (explain...).
    src="[No title]_files/asgard2.jpg" width=20> <IMG height=20
    ^
    Line 19, column 44: required attribute "ALT" not specified (explain...).
    src="[No title]_files/unas-001.jpg" width=20>
    ^
    Line 29, column 57: there is no attribute "NAME" (explain...).
    <DIV class=one><IMG src="[No title]_files/dhd2.gif" name=main>
    ^
    Line 29, column 61: required attribute "ALT" not specified (explain...).
    ...class=one><IMG src="[No title]_files/dhd2.gif" name=main>


    The mouse over works, in
    Opera 7.10 / 6.05 (in 6.05 it shows unas streched, must be a setting
    somewhere)

    NS 4.72 except for CSS positioning it's okay, same issue in unas as
    Opera 6.

    MSIE 6 SP1 and patches / 5.5 SP2 and patches

    Mozilla v 1.5 RC2 / v1.4

    In the CSS

    ..one { position:absolute;
    left:50mm; top:10mm;

    failed CSS validation
    http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
    because of the missing closing }

    Page title, should not be '<TITLE>[No title]</TITLE>' needs changed at
    some point :)

    In the CSS 'position:absolute;' could cause problems with some UA's
    (user agents, web browser, pda, printer) you can't be sure just how big
    the browser area, paper, handheld screen will be for the position sizes
    you are setting. It's (I think) better to use relative % values rather
    than fixed measurement 'mm' anyway.

    Not so sure what to do for that.


    You can also get help / checks in these groups.

    alt.html
    alt.html.critique

    Me
     
    why?, Oct 8, 2003
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  8. Richard

    why? Guest

    X-No-Archive: Yes
    On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:29:33 -0400, Harrison wrote:

    >You need to supply the full URL.


    Nope, the server sends the default configured file, does not matter if
    it's default/index or any extension .htm .html and so on.

    >Your link is a directory path.

    It is.

    Try SamSpade,

    10/08/03 20:18:42 Browsing http://1-large-world.com/testing/
    Fetching http://1-large-world.com/testing/ ...
    GET /testing/ HTTP/1.1
    Host: 1-large-world.com
    Connection: close
    User-Agent: Sam Spade 1.14
    HTTP/1.1 200 OK
    Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:18:40 GMT

    >On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:51:49 -0500, "Richard" <anom@anom> wrote:
    >
    >>http://1-large-world.com/testing/
    >>
    >>need to know from vairous users how the page loads for you.
    >>Does the rollover image swap work in your browser?

    <snip>

    Me
     
    why?, Oct 8, 2003
    #8
  9. Richard

    why? Guest

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:51:49 -0500, Richard wrote:

    >http://1-large-world.com/testing/
    >

    Forgot one, in the CSS it could use comments to hide it from older
    browsers.

    <style type="text/css">
    <!--

    -->
    </style>

    Me
     
    why?, Oct 8, 2003
    #9
  10. Richard

    Harrison Guest

    I got nothing on DSL and gave up.
    WebWasher could be blocking scripts.

    On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:21:10 GMT, why?
    <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote:

    >X-No-Archive: Yes
    >On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:29:33 -0400, Harrison wrote:
    >
    >>You need to supply the full URL.

    >
    >Nope, the server sends the default configured file, does not matter if
    >it's default/index or any extension .htm .html and so on.
    >
    >>Your link is a directory path.

    >It is.
    >
    >Try SamSpade,
    >
    >10/08/03 20:18:42 Browsing http://1-large-world.com/testing/
    >Fetching http://1-large-world.com/testing/ ...
    >GET /testing/ HTTP/1.1
    >Host: 1-large-world.com
    >Connection: close
    >User-Agent: Sam Spade 1.14
    >HTTP/1.1 200 OK
    >Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:18:40 GMT
    >
    >>On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:51:49 -0500, "Richard" <anom@anom> wrote:
    >>
    >>>http://1-large-world.com/testing/
    >>>
    >>>need to know from vairous users how the page loads for you.
    >>>Does the rollover image swap work in your browser?

    ><snip>
    >
    >Me
     
    Harrison, Oct 8, 2003
    #10
  11. Richard

    Richard Guest

    why? wrote:


    > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:51:49 -0500, Richard wrote:


    >>http://1-large-world.com/testing/


    > Slow to load, ARGH!!!! the tiny little graphics come to a horrible
    > 180KB, you are taking 2 by 400x400 and a 200x150 image and forcing
    > them
    > to be displayed in a tiny 20x20 box.


    > Please create thumbnails, even if 20x20 is too small try 32x32. cast3
    > can be reduced to a bmp/gif/jpg of 1.2K or less.


    I used the wdg validator and the only errors it gave were "no alt attribute"
    and "no attribute [name]".
    The only purpose of the "alt" is to identify the source of the image for
    those who want to know.
    Or for some text-to-speech programs. Quite frankly, I find it a damn
    nuisance to duplicate an image name and waste more space needlessly.
    For testing purposes, it's not needed.
    As for the icon size images, I only used that size to show that they have
    been loaded.
    Do remember that this page was put up for testing purposes only.
     
    Richard, Oct 8, 2003
    #11
  12. Richard

    Richard Guest

    Richard, Oct 8, 2003
    #12
  13. Richard

    why? Guest

    X-No-Archive: Yes
    On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:37:36 -0400, Harrison wrote:

    >I got nothing on DSL and gave up.
    >WebWasher could be blocking scripts.


    It's a horrible 244KB page, due to using 180KB of images for the
    thumbnails. I thought it was timing out as well at first on a 1Mbps
    cable.

    No scripts either.

    >On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:21:10 GMT, why?
    ><fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote:
    >
    >>X-No-Archive: Yes
    >>On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:29:33 -0400, Harrison wrote:
    >>
    >>>You need to supply the full URL.

    >>
    >>Nope, the server sends the default configured file, does not matter if
    >>it's default/index or any extension .htm .html and so on.
    >>

    <snip>

    Me
     
    why?, Oct 8, 2003
    #13
  14. Richard

    -= Hawk =- Guest

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:52:00 -0500, "Richard" <anom@anom> scribbled:

    >Do remember that


    Do remember that no one cares what an out of work
    truck driving pedophile who doesn't know shit about
    HTML thinks.

    --
    'What Profiteth It A Kingdom If The Oxen Be Deflated?'
    Riddles II, v3
    - T. Pratchett
     
    -= Hawk =-, Oct 8, 2003
    #14
  15. Richard

    Juan Pérez Guest

    Run "Richard Bullis" through Google.

    --
    Juan
    "Reality leaves a lot to the imagination".

    Jackal <> wrote in message
    news:bm1mme$sag$...
    > Hey Richard,
    > I got ISDN and it works fine for me.
    > The page load a bit long, 30sec. but when the page was in, everything

    worked
    > well.
    > Images displayed instand when hover over the links, so i guess you did

    a
    > good job ;)
    >
    > Jack
    >
    >
    > "Richard" <anom@anom> schreef in bericht
    > news:...
    > > http://1-large-world.com/testing/
    > >
    > > need to know from vairous users how the page loads for you.
    > > Does the rollover image swap work in your browser?
    > > Do the images swap immediately or do they "load" again?
    > > I'm on cable so I don't know what dialup response is like.
    > >
    > > Thanks to all who reply.
    > >
    > > <flame retardant suit on>
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
    Juan Pérez, Oct 8, 2003
    #15
  16. Richard

    Harrison Guest

    It didn't load for me the first time, so I figured there was no index
    file.
    I went back. It loaded. It sucks.

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:56:24 -0500, "Richard" <anom@anom> wrote:

    > Harrison wrote:
    >
    > > You need to supply the full URL.
    >> Your link is a directory path.

    >
    >Say what? You've never seen a link without the www in it?
    >Oh I'm so sorry then. Try this one.
    >http://www.1-large-world.com/testing/index.html
    >
    >Then try this out.
    >www.xnews.newsguy.com
    >http://xnews.newsguy.com
    >tell me which one works.
    >
    >
     
    Harrison, Oct 8, 2003
    #16
  17. Richard

    Harrison Guest

    Oh yeah. Forgot to say...
    Try this
    http://64.95.118.51/images/opti/c6/a4/1568846479-resized200.jpg

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:56:24 -0500, "Richard" <anom@anom> wrote:

    > Harrison wrote:
    >
    > > You need to supply the full URL.
    >> Your link is a directory path.

    >
    >Say what? You've never seen a link without the www in it?
    >Oh I'm so sorry then. Try this one.
    >http://www.1-large-world.com/testing/index.html
    >
    >Then try this out.
    >www.xnews.newsguy.com
    >http://xnews.newsguy.com
    >tell me which one works.
    >
    >
     
    Harrison, Oct 8, 2003
    #17
  18. Richard

    why? Guest

    X-No-Archive: Yes
    On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:30:23 -0400, Harrison wrote:

    >Oh yeah. Forgot to say...
    >Try this
    >http://64.95.118.51/images/opti/c6/a4/1568846479-resized200.jpg


    LOL, nice one.

    >On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:56:24 -0500, "Richard" <anom@anom> wrote:
    >
    >> Harrison wrote:
    >>
    >> > You need to supply the full URL.
    >>> Your link is a directory path.

    >>
    >>Say what? You've never seen a link without the www in it?
    >>Oh I'm so sorry then. Try this one.

    <snip>

    Me
     
    why?, Oct 8, 2003
    #18
  19. Richard

    why? Guest

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:52:00 -0500, Richard wrote:

    > why? wrote:
    >
    >
    >> On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:51:49 -0500, Richard wrote:

    >
    >>>http://1-large-world.com/testing/

    >
    >> Slow to load, ARGH!!!! the tiny little graphics come to a horrible
    >> 180KB, you are taking 2 by 400x400 and a 200x150 image and forcing
    >> them
    >> to be displayed in a tiny 20x20 box.

    >
    >> Please create thumbnails, even if 20x20 is too small try 32x32. cast3
    >> can be reduced to a bmp/gif/jpg of 1.2K or less.

    >
    >I used the wdg validator and the only errors it gave were "no alt attribute"
    >and "no attribute [name]".


    Yep, and they are going to be fixed? Start off with the no attribute one
    first.

    >The only purpose of the "alt" is to identify the source of the image for
    >those who want to know.


    Yes, but you don't know what the end user wants to know or not. Best to
    include it.

    Know (for info 99% of my stuff is XHTML 1.1 Strict and CSS) all that and
    it's on the w3 links in the validation output as well.

    The point is you are (the page) claiming to be following some sort of
    standard by the use of DOCTYPE then ignoring basic parts of that
    standard.


    >Or for some text-to-speech programs. Quite frankly, I find it a damn
    >nuisance to duplicate an image name and waste more space needlessly.


    That's a laugh, waste space on a few bytes of text but have a large slow
    loading page at 244KB, a page of 30KB can be too big. While anything
    over a 100KB normally gets a 'crap, lets go somewhere else I'm not
    waiting any longer'.

    If you want to help things along, only works if JavaScript is enabled
    look at image preload free javascripts , www.google.com

    It's not a duplication of the filename, that's just what some stoopd GUI
    page designers do by default, inserting filename/bytes.

    The alt text should be a descriptive bit of text.
    So castle.bmp becomes alt="Typical Rhine castle, Northen Germany"
    http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#adef-alt

    Again, you are claiming to follow some standard, but not following it,
    it's up to the end user / UA which you can't guess rendering in a method
    you can't know - which uses the known rules / standard to interpret your
    page.

    >For testing purposes, it's not needed.


    Sloppy habits, hard to get rid of later.

    >As for the icon size images, I only used that size to show that they have
    >been loaded.


    5KB of thumbnails loads equally well as the 180KB.

    >Do remember that this page was put up for testing purposes only.


    As commented already, Sloppy habits, hard to get rid of later. Unless
    you have a really good multiple file search and replace editor it's
    easier to fix everything on a page by page basis. It's much harder to
    fix 10 or 20 things in some of a dozen or more pages after the fact.

    Me
     
    why?, Oct 8, 2003
    #19
  20. Richard

    why? Guest

    X-No-Archive: Yes
    On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:22:51 GMT, -= Hawk =- wrote:

    >On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:52:00 -0500, "Richard" <anom@anom> scribbled:
    >
    >>Do remember that

    >
    >Do remember that no one cares what an out of work
    >truck driving pedophile who doesn't know shit about
    >HTML thinks.


    At least it was a polite request and answer back, despite the issues
    getting ignored.

    However your answer is good for a chuckle.

    Me
     
    why?, Oct 8, 2003
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