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  1. Jono

    Jono Guest

    Getting some strange charges for non-geo numbers. Anyone else notice?

    2006-11-30 18:59:24 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:05 ¤ 0.10
    2006-11-30 09:14:02 +441274xxxxxx 00:00:09 FREE!
    2006-11-30 09:08:41 +447973xxxxxx 00:01:31 ¤ 0.36
    2006-11-30 09:07:31 +441274xxxxxx 00:00:25 FREE!
    2006-11-30 09:07:06 +448700xxxxxx 00:02:31 ¤ 0.30
    2006-11-30 00:28:24 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:01 FREE!
    2006-11-29 23:44:27 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:01 FREE!
    2006-11-29 22:50:54 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:01 FREE!
    2006-11-29 22:27:44 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:03 ¤ 0.10
    2006-11-29 22:00:43 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:01 FREE!
    2006-11-29 21:47:22 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:13 ¤ 0.10
    2006-11-29 21:45:56 +44800800150 00:00:04 ¤ 0.01

    I hadn't realised freephone numbers were chargeable.

    Also, not quite sure how, when the published price for UK mobiles is
    ¤0.06/min, a 1:31 call can cost ¤0.36....?
    Jono, Dec 3, 2006
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  2. Jono wrote:
    > Getting some strange charges for non-geo numbers. Anyone else notice?
    >
    > 2006-11-30 18:59:24 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:05 ¤ 0.10
    > 2006-11-30 09:14:02 +441274xxxxxx 00:00:09 FREE!
    > 2006-11-30 09:08:41 +447973xxxxxx 00:01:31 ¤ 0.36
    > 2006-11-30 09:07:31 +441274xxxxxx 00:00:25 FREE!
    > 2006-11-30 09:07:06 +448700xxxxxx 00:02:31 ¤ 0.30
    > 2006-11-30 00:28:24 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:01 FREE!
    > 2006-11-29 23:44:27 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:01 FREE!
    > 2006-11-29 22:50:54 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:01 FREE!
    > 2006-11-29 22:27:44 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:03 ¤ 0.10
    > 2006-11-29 22:00:43 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:01 FREE!
    > 2006-11-29 21:47:22 +448700xxxxxx 00:00:13 ¤ 0.10
    > 2006-11-29 21:45:56 +44800800150 00:00:04 ¤ 0.01
    >
    > I hadn't realised freephone numbers were chargeable.
    >
    > Also, not quite sure how, when the published price for UK mobiles is
    > ¤0.06/min, a 1:31 call can cost ¤0.36....?


    Just googled around and found this....

    "Tel: 07973 100 150 (calls charged at up to 30p per minute from a fixed
    line phone)"

    Looks like Orange may well have some "prime rates" prefixed by mobile
    numbers.
    I have been following my voipcheap.com account pretty closely since
    going live early last week, and so far it's been behaving impeccably.
    Most of our calls or sub 2 minute calls to mobiles.
    I also slipped up on the 0800 numbers, and have to remember to use the
    BT line for those ones.

    HTH
    Pete
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  3. Jono

    Jono Guest

    ""Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)"" <> wrote in message
    news:vsZch.11640$...
    > Jono wrote:
    >> Getting some strange charges for non-geo numbers. Anyone else notice?
    >>
    >> 2006-11-30 09:08:41 +447973xxxxxx 00:01:31 ¤ 0.36
    >>
    >> Also, not quite sure how, when the published price for UK mobiles is
    >> ¤0.06/min, a 1:31 call can cost ¤0.36....?

    >
    > Just googled around and found this....
    >
    > "Tel: 07973 100 150 (calls charged at up to 30p per minute from a fixed
    > line phone)"
    >
    > Looks like Orange may well have some "prime rates" prefixed by mobile
    > numbers.


    Thanks for looking. Interestingly, the 07973 number is my own mobile, not an
    Orange "premium" number.
    Jono, Dec 4, 2006
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  4. Jono wrote:

    > Thanks for looking. Interestingly, the 07973 number is my own mobile, not an
    > Orange "premium" number.


    Hmmm.
    Just tried my own Orange No.
    2006-12-04 21:06:1 +447973466*** 00:01:14 € 0.12
    2006-12-04 21:05:01 +447973466*** 00:00:17 € 0.06

    Bit of a weird one that.

    On a side note, has anyone come up with a way of finding out just how
    many of the free 300 minutes/ 7 days have been used up?

    Cheers
    Pete

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  5. Jono

    Mike Sun Guest

    ""Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)"" <> wrote in message
    news:em%ch.11720$...
    >
    > On a side note, has anyone come up with a way of finding out just how many
    > of the free 300 minutes/ 7 days have been used up?
    >
    > Cheers
    > Pete
    >

    I can only think it would be a case of pasting the recent calls list into an
    Excel spreadsheet and then use a fancy "SUMIF" function to add all the
    minutes "over the 7 day period" by subtracting the date/time column and
    using that criteria for inclusion in the "total free minutes used".

    Perhaps some Excel expert can create the right formula to use?

    Cheers from Mike
    Mike Sun, Dec 4, 2006
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  6. Jono

    Ron Wellsted Guest

    On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:16:10 +0000, Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:

    > Jono wrote:
    >
    >> Thanks for looking. Interestingly, the 07973 number is my own mobile, not an
    >> Orange "premium" number.

    >


    > Bit of a weird one that.
    >
    > On a side note, has anyone come up with a way of finding out just how
    > many of the free 300 minutes/ 7 days have been used up?
    >
    > Cheers
    > Pete


    Are the mobiles 3G? or ported from "3"?

    As for finding out how many minutes, this is easy with Asterisk & a SQL
    CDR database:

    SELECT SUM( `billsec` ) /60 AS Minutes
    FROM `cdr`
    WHERE `dstchannel` LIKE 'SIP/voipcheap%'
    AND `calldate` > DATE_SUB( CURDATE( ) , INTERVAL 7
    DAY )



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    Ron Wellsted, Dec 4, 2006
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  7. Jono

    andy Guest

    Jono wrote:
    > ""Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)"" <> wrote in message
    > news:vsZch.11640$...
    > > Jono wrote:
    > >> Getting some strange charges for non-geo numbers. Anyone else notice?
    > >>
    > >> 2006-11-30 09:08:41 +447973xxxxxx 00:01:31 ¤ 0.36
    > >>
    > >> Also, not quite sure how, when the published price for UK mobiles is
    > >> ¤0.06/min, a 1:31 call can cost ¤0.36....?

    > >
    > > Just googled around and found this....
    > >
    > > "Tel: 07973 100 150 (calls charged at up to 30p per minute from a fixed
    > > line phone)"
    > >
    > > Looks like Orange may well have some "prime rates" prefixed by mobile
    > > numbers.

    >
    > Thanks for looking. Interestingly, the 07973 number is my own mobile, not an
    > Orange "premium" number.


    Probably a glitch in the tariff system - 18c is the rate from
    Voipbuster. On the Voipbuster forum there are whinges about tariffs for
    a couple of destinations changing upwards for a day then going down
    again -
    andy, Dec 4, 2006
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  8. Jono

    Jono Guest

    Ron Wellsted explained :
    > On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:16:10 +0000, Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:
    >
    >> Jono wrote:
    >>
    >>> Thanks for looking. Interestingly, the 07973 number is my own mobile, not
    >>> an Orange "premium" number.

    >>

    >
    >> Bit of a weird one that.
    >>
    >> On a side note, has anyone come up with a way of finding out just how
    >> many of the free 300 minutes/ 7 days have been used up?
    >>
    >> Cheers
    >> Pete

    >
    > Are the mobiles 3G? or ported from "3"?


    No. Always been an Orange number. Usually charged at 6 cents/minute.
    Jono, Dec 4, 2006
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  9. Ron Wellsted wrote:

    > As for finding out how many minutes, this is easy with Asterisk & a SQL
    > CDR database:
    >
    > SELECT SUM( `billsec` ) /60 AS Minutes
    > FROM `cdr`
    > WHERE `dstchannel` LIKE 'SIP/voipcheap%'
    > AND `calldate` > DATE_SUB( CURDATE( ) , INTERVAL 7
    > DAY )


    That's easy for you to say.

    :¬)

    ..... but it's put me on to Draytek's output log and their SysLog
    aplication, something for me to look into should I ever find I'm
    exceeding 5 hours free talk a week, which I think is fairly doubtful...

    At the moment.

    Cheers
    Pete


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  10. Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:

    > .... but it's put me on to Draytek's output log and their SysLog


    Which after a little fiddling is also useless as it only logs calls by
    number not duration of calls.

    :¬(

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  11. Jono

    alexd Guest

    Ron Wellsted wrote:

    > As for finding out how many minutes, this is easy with Asterisk & a SQL
    > CDR database:
    >
    > SELECT SUM( `billsec` ) /60 AS Minutes
    > FROM `cdr`
    > WHERE `dstchannel` LIKE 'SIP/voipcheap%'
    > AND `calldate` > DATE_SUB( CURDATE( ) , INTERVAL 7
    > DAY )


    ....easy if you've actually logged the CDR to SQL in the first place. Some
    distributions log to CSV, which is easily imported into SQL with
    PHPMyAdmin, for example.

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