voipcheap.co.uk vs voipchap.com

Discussion in 'UK VOIP' started by Ian Pawson, Dec 18, 2007.

  1. Ian Pawson

    Ian Pawson Guest

    I am currently using the .co.uk service as they provided free sms texts,
    but charged 1p per min for uk landline calls wheresas the .com chaged
    for texts but calls were free (up to 300 min per week).Now I notice that
    they have now started charging 3p for texts, so the .com service is
    cheaper overall.
    How come the same company has such different rates?
    Ian Pawson, Dec 18, 2007
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  2. Ian Pawson

    News Reader Guest

    "Ian Pawson" <> wrote in message
    news:fk8vuc$9i0$...
    >I am currently using the .co.uk service as they provided free sms texts,
    > but charged 1p per min for uk landline calls wheresas the .com chaged
    > for texts but calls were free (up to 300 min per week).Now I notice that
    > they have now started charging 3p for texts, so the .com service is
    > cheaper overall.
    > How come the same company has such different rates?



    Hi,


    I think the idea is, across countless (at least 15+), "same company" brands,
    to have multiple combinations of free and paid for destinations and
    services, to best cover all angles and make most revenue from a given
    customer base (as well as offering some other ancillary benefits - marketing
    performance evaluation, r&d, testing and rolling out of new and different
    services, etc.).


    Best wishes,



    News Reader
    News Reader, Dec 18, 2007
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  3. Ian Pawson

    Graham. Guest

    "Ian Pawson" <> wrote in message
    news:fk8vuc$9i0$...
    >I am currently using the .co.uk service as they provided free sms texts,
    > but charged 1p per min for uk landline calls wheresas the .com chaged
    > for texts but calls were free (up to 300 min per week).Now I notice that
    > they have now started charging 3p for texts, so the .com service is
    > cheaper overall.
    > How come the same company has such different rates?


    I switched making o/g calls from .co.uk to .com some time ago
    when I noticed the cheaper UK mobile rates.
    I don't profess to understand the Betamax business model, I'm
    just glad they are on the scene.
    --
    Graham

    %Profound_observation%
    Graham., Dec 18, 2007
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  4. Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk, Dec 19, 2007
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  5. "Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk" <> wrote in
    message news:fkb51t$pnv$...
    > Graham. wrote:
    >
    > > I don't profess to understand the Betamax business model, I'm
    > > just glad they are on the scene.

    >
    > Yep.
    > And I'm glad somone on here pointed me in their direction last year.


    What you need to do is to compare their tarifs ... each time before you
    decide to top-up your account, and then change to the cheaper version.
    Use the following website to compare their rates: http://backsla.sh/betamax

    Philippe.
    Philippe Deleye, Dec 20, 2007
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  6. Philippe Deleye wrote:
    > "Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk" <> wrote in
    > message news:fkb51t$pnv$...
    >> Graham. wrote:
    >>
    >>> I don't profess to understand the Betamax business model, I'm
    >>> just glad they are on the scene.

    >> Yep.
    >> And I'm glad somone on here pointed me in their direction last year.

    >
    > What you need to do is to compare their tarifs ... each time before you
    > decide to top-up your account, and then change to the cheaper version.
    > Use the following website to compare their rates: http://backsla.sh/betamax


    Actually, I only use voipcheap.com there is no need to check against any
    tarrifs as the mobile calls I make ensure everything else is free
    including calls from home which use the same account as I use for the
    business.

    I have never understood why anyone would use any other betamax service
    than voipcheap.com never seems to be anything to beat it even with the
    19% VAT added

    --
    http://gymratz.co.uk - Fitness & Gym Equipment/nutrition specialists.
    http://www.water-rower.co.uk - The ultimate rowing simulator.
    http://www.BBE-Boxing-Equipment.co.uk - New Boxing Equipment site.
    http://www.commercial-gym-equipment.co.uk - Commercial Gym Equipment.
    Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk, Dec 20, 2007
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  7. Ian Pawson

    cybuerke Guest

    "Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk" <> wrote in
    message news:fkdnep$31j$...

    > I have never understood why anyone would use any other betamax service
    > than voipcheap.com never seems to be anything to beat it even with the 19%
    > VAT added



    I've just had a look at voipcheap.com. I see they're only giving 90 days
    inclusive calls before a new credit top up is required. I thought they all
    gave 120 days now?
    cybuerke, Dec 20, 2007
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  8. Ian Pawson

    Graham. Guest


    > Actually, I only use voipcheap.com there is no need to check against any
    > tarrifs as the mobile calls I make ensure everything else is free


    That's precisely the way I look at it too.

    > including calls from home which use the same account as I use for the
    > business.


    But don't you then exeed the 300 min/week ans start paying for UK calls?


    --
    Graham

    %Profound_observation%
    Graham., Dec 20, 2007
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  9. Ian Pawson

    Graham. Guest

    "cybuerke" <> wrote in message
    news:fkdp9u$d4i$...
    >
    > "Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk" <> wrote in
    > message news:fkdnep$31j$...
    >
    >> I have never understood why anyone would use any other betamax service
    >> than voipcheap.com never seems to be anything to beat it even with the
    >> 19% VAT added

    >
    >
    > I've just had a look at voipcheap.com. I see they're only giving 90 days
    > inclusive calls before a new credit top up is required. I thought they
    > all gave 120 days now?



    I find that my 10 euros credit bottoms out at about 90 days because of
    the chargable mobile calls I make.
    --
    Graham

    %Profound_observation%
    Graham., Dec 20, 2007
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  10. Ian Pawson

    cybuerke Guest

    "Graham." <> wrote in message
    news:fkdptq$gbp$...
    >
    >
    > "cybuerke" <> wrote in message
    > news:fkdp9u$d4i$...
    >>
    >> "Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk" <> wrote in
    >> message news:fkdnep$31j$...
    >>
    >>> I have never understood why anyone would use any other betamax service
    >>> than voipcheap.com never seems to be anything to beat it even with the
    >>> 19% VAT added

    >>
    >>
    >> I've just had a look at voipcheap.com. I see they're only giving 90 days
    >> inclusive calls before a new credit top up is required. I thought they
    >> all gave 120 days now?

    >
    >
    > I find that my 10 euros credit bottoms out at about 90 days because of
    > the chargable mobile calls I make.


    Fairy nuff then! A tight wad like me can stretch his €10 (£8.75 at the last
    count) for ever and a day, so I'll sit tight with voipstunt for now.

    Incidentally, I see voipraider has a 90 day limit as well. I *could* go
    through the lot to compare, but it's time for a beer, so perhaps later...
    cybuerke, Dec 20, 2007
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  11. Graham. wrote:
    >> Actually, I only use voipcheap.com there is no need to check against any
    >> tarrifs as the mobile calls I make ensure everything else is free

    >
    > That's precisely the way I look at it too.
    >
    >> including calls from home which use the same account as I use for the
    >> business.

    >
    > But don't you then exeed the 300 min/week ans start paying for UK calls?


    No.
    that's 5 hours a week.

    My partner might only have a longish call once or twice a week so we
    never top out the 5 hours. Plus... something on their site says
    something about 300 mins per unique IP address which would then give us
    5 hours for the shop and 5 hours at home.. well that's how it seems as I
    have never been charged for anything except Mobile calls.

    Plus, for at least 6 months or so when I top up the account it tops out
    at around 360 free days. currently showing
    "Freedays remaining:322 (info)" so it looks like their server is
    accumulating un-used minutes with every top up to a maximum of 360 days.

    Actusally, having just logged in again, it gives the option of getting
    an incoming number for Euro 1.00 ..... which is actually an 056 number
    so not that hot.
    but OK for voipcheap to voipcheap calls I am guessing, though I doubt
    I'll ever use it.

    Be interested to know if anyone else has the same account sharing
    multiple IP addresses that could confirm the 5 hour / week / ip address
    theory.

    Cheers
    Pete


    --
    http://gymratz.co.uk - Fitness & Gym Equipment/nutrition specialists.
    http://www.water-rower.co.uk - The ultimate rowing simulator.
    http://www.BBE-Boxing-Equipment.co.uk - New Boxing Equipment site.
    http://www.commercial-gym-equipment.co.uk - Commercial Gym Equipment.
    Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk, Dec 20, 2007
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  12. Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:

    > Be interested to know if anyone else has the same account sharing
    > multiple IP addresses that could confirm the 5 hour / week / ip address
    > theory.


    or... even if once you max out the 5 hours, if you re-boot your
    modem/router and acquire a new IP address whether you get another 5 hours?

    :¬))

    --
    http://gymratz.co.uk - Fitness & Gym Equipment/nutrition specialists.
    http://www.water-rower.co.uk - The ultimate rowing simulator.
    http://www.BBE-Boxing-Equipment.co.uk - New Boxing Equipment site.
    http://www.commercial-gym-equipment.co.uk - Commercial Gym Equipment.
    Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk, Dec 20, 2007
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  13. Ian Pawson

    Graham. Guest

    "Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk" <> wrote in
    message news:fke3k2$qls$...
    > Graham. wrote:
    >>> Actually, I only use voipcheap.com there is no need to check against any
    >>> tarrifs as the mobile calls I make ensure everything else is free

    >>
    >> That's precisely the way I look at it too.
    >>
    >>> including calls from home which use the same account as I use for the
    >>> business.

    >>
    >> But don't you then exeed the 300 min/week ans start paying for UK calls?

    >
    > No.
    > that's 5 hours a week.
    >
    > My partner might only have a longish call once or twice a week so we never
    > top out the 5 hours. Plus... something on their site says something about
    > 300 mins per unique IP address which would then give us 5 hours for the
    > shop and 5 hours at home.. well that's how it seems as I have never been
    > charged for anything except Mobile calls.
    >
    > Plus, for at least 6 months or so when I top up the account it tops out at
    > around 360 free days. currently showing
    > "Freedays remaining:322 (info)" so it looks like their server is
    > accumulating un-used minutes with every top up to a maximum of 360 days.
    >
    > Actusally, having just logged in again, it gives the option of getting an
    > incoming number for Euro 1.00 ..... which is actually an 056 number so
    > not that hot.
    > but OK for voipcheap to voipcheap calls I am guessing, though I doubt I'll
    > ever use it.
    >
    > Be interested to know if anyone else has the same account sharing multiple
    > IP addresses that could confirm the 5 hour / week / ip address theory.
    >



    If you want a free geographic incoming number and your SIP device
    supports two accounts just get one from Sipgate or Orbtalk
    When I used voipcheap.CO.UK they gave me a great "once seen
    never forgotten" number
    0161 700 0XXX (and the XXX is pretty memorable too)
    the odd thing is I didn't tell them I wanted an 0161, I think
    that's what they were giving everyone at the time and most
    people round here would associate 0161 7 with North Manchester
    which is exactly where I am. I keep a few pence credit in the account
    in the hope that I don't lose the number.

    I don't think the "unique IP address" works like that, I think it might be
    more like if you have two accounts calling from the same IP
    you only get 300min between them, maybe someone who knows
    can confirm?

    --
    Graham

    %Profound_observation%
    Graham., Dec 20, 2007
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  14. "Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk" <> wrote in
    message news:fkdnep$31j$...
    > Actually, I only use voipcheap.com there is no need to check against any
    > tarrifs as the mobile calls I make ensure everything else is free
    > including calls from home which use the same account as I use for the
    > business.


    I was not refering to check voipcheap.com against any other (landline or
    mobile tariffs
    But the site http://backsla.sh/betamax is comparing Voipcheap.com tarrifs
    against other Betamax clones, which are all different
    Depending your calling profile, you may find cheaper than voipcheap.com
    Philippe Deleye, Dec 21, 2007
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  15. Philippe Deleye wrote:

    > I was not refering to check voipcheap.com against any other (landline or
    > mobile tariffs
    > But the site http://backsla.sh/betamax is comparing Voipcheap.com tarrifs
    > against other Betamax clones, which are all different
    > Depending your calling profile, you may find cheaper than voipcheap.com


    Ah, I see.
    Having just had a look, I realise what you mean.
    I could be getting mobile calls at 6.5 rather than 8 Euro cents per
    minute if I went with justvoip.com

    Looks like I may have to give it a go once current credit is all but
    used up.

    Thanks for your advice Philippe.

    Cheers
    Pete

    --
    http://gymratz.co.uk - Fitness & Gym Equipment/nutrition specialists.
    http://www.water-rower.co.uk - The ultimate rowing simulator.
    http://www.BBE-Boxing-Equipment.co.uk - New Boxing Equipment site.
    http://www.commercial-gym-equipment.co.uk - Commercial Gym Equipment.
    Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk, Dec 21, 2007
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  16. Ian Pawson

    Oldie Guest

    In article <fkdp9u$d4i$>,
    "cybuerke" <> wrote:

    > "Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk" <> wrote in
    > message news:fkdnep$31j$...
    >
    > > I have never understood why anyone would use any other betamax service
    > > than voipcheap.com never seems to be anything to beat it even with the 19%
    > > VAT added

    >
    >
    > I've just had a look at voipcheap.com. I see they're only giving 90 days
    > inclusive calls before a new credit top up is required. I thought they all
    > gave 120 days now?


    And it appears to me that you can only authenticate mobile numbers for
    outgoing CLI purposes. I use Voipdiscount which allows me to set a
    landline number as well. It suits my purposes, and although calls to
    mobiles are more expensive I make so few that I'm better off with a
    120-day validity.

    Oldie
    Oldie, Dec 21, 2007
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  17. Ian Pawson

    Ian Pawson Guest

    Ian Pawson wrote:
    > I am currently using the .co.uk service as they provided free sms texts,
    > but charged 1p per min for uk landline calls wheresas the .com chaged
    > for texts but calls were free (up to 300 min per week).Now I notice that
    > they have now started charging 3p for texts, so the .com service is
    > cheaper overall.
    > How come the same company has such different rates?

    How odd- I have just received an email from voipcheap.co.uk telling me
    that I can now send free sms to UK numbers!!!
    Ian Pawson, Dec 21, 2007
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  18. Ian Pawson

    Graham. Guest


    > Ian Pawson wrote:
    >> I am currently using the .co.uk service as they provided free sms texts,
    >> but charged 1p per min for uk landline calls wheresas the .com chaged
    >> for texts but calls were free (up to 300 min per week).Now I notice that
    >> they have now started charging 3p for texts, so the .com service is
    >> cheaper overall.
    >> How come the same company has such different rates?

    > How odd- I have just received an email from voipcheap.co.uk telling me
    > that I can now send free sms to UK numbers!!!


    I got it too.
    According to the website

    FREE SMS is available for users with Freedays
    ** VoipCheap reserves the right after a certain amount of SMS to start
    charging sms for the default rate.
    No idea how much "a certain amount" is or what the "default rate" is for
    free SMS destinations

    I think I am going to jump ship and join Pete on justvoip.com when my credit
    expires
    http://www.voipcheap.com/en/smsrates.html


    --
    Graham

    %Profound_observation%
    Graham., Dec 21, 2007
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  19. Ian Pawson

    Mike Sun Guest

    "Oldie" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <fkdp9u$d4i$>,
    > "cybuerke" <> wrote:
    >
    > And it appears to me that you can only authenticate mobile numbers for
    > outgoing CLI purposes. I use Voipdiscount which allows me to set a
    > landline number as well. It suits my purposes, and although calls to
    > mobiles are more expensive I make so few that I'm better off with a
    > 120-day validity.
    >
    > Oldie


    I have authenticated land line numbers for CLI purposes with voipcheap.com -
    Cheers from Mike
    Mike Sun, Dec 21, 2007
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  20. Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk, Dec 22, 2007
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