Vista is Offensive, my review [lengthy]

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by deno, Aug 10, 2007.

  1. deno

    deno Guest

    By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.

    I've only been using it for about a week on this new laptop, and
    already there is a lot of software screwed up and not functioning
    properly. I don't see that I've done anything to do this.

    I've been using windows since 95, I'm by no means an expert, but
    I've not had this much difficulty operating or maintaining other
    windows versions, except in trying to get 95 to connect to the
    internet.

    These are my current problems. Pre-installed Norton Internet
    Security, continually asking to update, regardless of it's
    settings. It's interface has changed, w/o explanation. After
    changing default settings then returning to them, the entire
    interface has changed. Disabling it's firewall in preference to
    using ZA, I can't even connect to WIFI at all. I can find no way
    to unintall NIS. I'd really like to get rid of this in preference
    to some less expensive and functional option.

    Internet Explorer absolutely refuses to connect with even default
    settings. Thank god for FF and K-Meleon.

    I cannot figure out how to uninstall any IE add on, thinking I've
    some how inadvertently caused this connection problem.

    The only way I've found to disable the constant barrage of popups
    of DUN while using WIFI is in the services.msc, Until it's been
    re-enabled Windows can't find any DUN, if I need to switch back to
    dialup. So you sure don't want to forget how you finally got rid
    of it's incessant popups.

    I cannot find anything about disabling useless and annoying tray
    "information," balloons. Not even in a google search. Why is it
    google is finding us less and less info as time passes? Anyone
    else notice that?

    Vista barely runs on the pre-installed one gig of memory, and of
    course all memory slots are filled with the smallest chips
    available, creating waste and hardware upgrade expense. [is this
    what we want to teach our children about how the world should run?
    lol] sigh. I mean, is it any wonder we are under attack from the
    rest of the world?

    It seems MS has found it necessary to change the GUI and
    operability of at least some of my most commonly used window's
    apps, windows explorer, [if you can even find it], and add/remove
    apps. In some of these windows, I can't switch "views," to make
    them more functional for me. In 'control panel' for example, I
    can't find a way to switch to 'list' view, and only have large
    icons as an option as far as I can find.

    To cut this short, I already feel the need to do a clean
    re-install of this 'OS' and start over from the beginning, only to
    find out yesterday while upgrading 512MB of RAM w/1GHz chip, lol,
    that I can't do this. I only am supplied with an "upgrade" disc!
    My god what have I gotten myself into? The compusa salesman said
    if I don't backup everything on this laptop to DVD or CD myself,
    and something really gets screwed up, I have no option to
    reinstall Vista as I bought it and as it came with this computer!
    Is this true? It certainly wouldn't do me any good to back it
    all up or make an image as it is now.

    I hate microsoft so much for this. If I knew I could take any
    version of Linux and easily connect using any method and feel
    secured with a firewall and AV without being a total expert geek,
    I'd absolutely do it right now. I'm so sick of this stuff of not
    being able to be productive the way *I want to be.*

    Thanks for any suggestions, Deno
     
    deno, Aug 10, 2007
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  2. deno

    olfart Guest

    "deno" <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote in message
    news:0217ff14$0$25014$...
    > By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
    >
    > Snip
    >
    > To cut this short, I already feel the need to do a clean re-install of
    > this 'OS' and start over from the beginning, only to find out yesterday
    > while upgrading 512MB of RAM w/1GHz chip, lol,
    > that I can't do this. I only am supplied with an "upgrade" disc! My god
    > what have I gotten myself into? The compusa salesman said if I don't
    > backup everything on this laptop to DVD or CD myself, and something really
    > gets screwed up, I have no option to reinstall Vista as I bought it and as
    > it came with this computer! Is this true? It certainly wouldn't do me any
    > good to back it all up or make an image as it is now.
    >

    The salesman told you to backup to a DVD and you didn't??
    The salesman told you that you had no option to reinstall Vista???

    And you bought it anyway?????

    MS didn't screw you....
    You screwed yourself
     
    olfart, Aug 10, 2007
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  3. deno

    deno Guest

    olfart wrote:
    > "deno" <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote in message
    > news:0217ff14$0$25014$...
    >> By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
    >>
    >> Snip
    >>
    >> To cut this short, I already feel the need to do a clean re-install of
    >> this 'OS' and start over from the beginning, only to find out yesterday
    >> while upgrading 512MB of RAM w/1GHz chip, lol,
    >> that I can't do this. I only am supplied with an "upgrade" disc! My god
    >> what have I gotten myself into? The compusa salesman said if I don't
    >> backup everything on this laptop to DVD or CD myself, and something really
    >> gets screwed up, I have no option to reinstall Vista as I bought it and as
    >> it came with this computer! Is this true? It certainly wouldn't do me any
    >> good to back it all up or make an image as it is now.
    >>

    > The salesman told you to backup to a DVD and you didn't??
    > The salesman told you that you had no option to reinstall Vista???
    >
    > And you bought it anyway?????
    >
    > MS didn't screw you....
    > You screwed yourself
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >


    The salesman of the RAM told me this, not the salesman of the
    laptop, and I can screw myself with or without MS help, but MS
    definately facilitated that screwing where I could not do it on my
    own. I suppose you either own MS stock, or work for them then?
    Thanks for your valuable input.
     
    deno, Aug 10, 2007
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  4. deno

    olfart Guest

    "deno" <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote in message
    news:46bc91b5$0$21904$...
    > olfart wrote:
    >> "deno" <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:0217ff14$0$25014$...
    >>> By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
    >>>
    >>> Snip
    >>>
    >>> To cut this short, I already feel the need to do a clean re-install of
    >>> this 'OS' and start over from the beginning, only to find out yesterday
    >>> while upgrading 512MB of RAM w/1GHz chip, lol,
    >>> that I can't do this. I only am supplied with an "upgrade" disc! My god
    >>> what have I gotten myself into? The compusa salesman said if I don't
    >>> backup everything on this laptop to DVD or CD myself, and something
    >>> really gets screwed up, I have no option to reinstall Vista as I bought
    >>> it and as it came with this computer! Is this true? It certainly
    >>> wouldn't do me any good to back it all up or make an image as it is now.
    >>>

    >> The salesman told you to backup to a DVD and you didn't??
    >> The salesman told you that you had no option to reinstall Vista???
    >>
    >> And you bought it anyway?????
    >>
    >> MS didn't screw you....
    >> You screwed yourself
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > The salesman of the RAM told me this, not the salesman of the laptop, and
    > I can screw myself with or without MS help, but MS
    > definately facilitated that screwing where I could not do it on my own. I
    > suppose you either own MS stock, or work for them then? Thanks for your
    > valuable input.


    I have W98SE, Win2000, WinXP and Vista all running and I agree that Vista is
    too bloated.
    But when you bought your machine didn't you inquire about the ability and
    method to repair of reinstall the O/S???
    There may be a recovery partition on your HD or an option to burn a one time
    DVD for use later.
     
    olfart, Aug 10, 2007
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  5. deno

    Mara Guest

    On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:25:00 -0500, deno <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com>
    wrote:

    <snip>
    >The salesman of the RAM told me this, not the salesman of the
    >laptop, and I can screw myself with or without MS help, but MS
    >definately facilitated that screwing where I could not do it on my
    >own. I suppose you either own MS stock, or work for them then?
    >Thanks for your valuable input.


    So buy a copy of XP and install it. Drivers might be a problem, but there are
    usually ways to work around that.

    --
    Are you the police? . . . . No ma'am, we're sysadmins.
     
    Mara, Aug 10, 2007
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  6. deno

    deno Guest

    olfart wrote:
    > "deno" <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote in message
    > news:0217ff14$0$25014$...
    >> By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
    >>
    >> Snip
    >>
    >> To cut this short, I already feel the need to do a clean re-install of
    >> this 'OS' and start over from the beginning, only to find out yesterday
    >> while upgrading 512MB of RAM w/1GHz chip, lol,
    >> that I can't do this. I only am supplied with an "upgrade" disc! My god
    >> what have I gotten myself into? The compusa salesman said if I don't
    >> backup everything on this laptop to DVD or CD myself, and something really
    >> gets screwed up, I have no option to reinstall Vista as I bought it and as
    >> it came with this computer! Is this true? It certainly wouldn't do me any
    >> good to back it all up or make an image as it is now.
    >>

    > The salesman told you to backup to a DVD and you didn't??
    > The salesman told you that you had no option to reinstall Vista???
    >
    > And you bought it anyway?????
    >
    > MS didn't screw you....
    > You screwed yourself
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >


    I forgot to mention, I *could* screw back. I mean, I'm sure MS
    hasn't neglected to notice that option. It's as if they almost
    expect it I'd say. I'd bet a nickel to a dollar I can get my money
    back returning this computer for a full refund, and that only
    screws MS, the retailer, and every other windows purchaser that
    comes after me. That's just one way of un-screwing myself for the
    cost of gasoline to get there.
     
    deno, Aug 10, 2007
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  7. deno

    sittingduck Guest

    deno wrote:

    > I forgot to mention, I *could* screw back. I mean, I'm sure MS
    > hasn't neglected to notice that option. It's as if they almost
    > expect it I'd say. I'd bet a nickel to a dollar I can get my money
    > back returning this computer for a full refund, and that only
    > screws MS, the retailer, and every other windows purchaser that
    > comes after me. That's just one way of un-screwing myself for the
    > cost of gasoline to get there.


    Or you could download one of the dozens of XP + SP2 + Updates image files
    that are posted in usenet and install that.
    Then turn off most of the xp2 crap, and you will have a very nice OS.
     
    sittingduck, Aug 10, 2007
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  8. deno

    Clogwog Guest

    "deno" <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> schreef in bericht
    news:0217ff14$0$25014$...
    > By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
    >
    > I've only been using it for about a week


    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
    > on this new laptop, and already there is a lot of software screwed up and
    > not functioning properly. I don't see that I've done anything to do this.
    >
    > I've been using windows since 95, I'm by no means an expert, but
    > I've not had this much difficulty operating or maintaining other
    > windows versions, except in trying to get 95 to connect to the internet.
    >
    > These are my current problems. Pre-installed Norton Internet Security,
    > continually asking to update, regardless of it's settings. It's interface
    > has changed, w/o explanation. After changing default settings then
    > returning to them, the entire interface has changed. Disabling it's
    > firewall in preference to using ZA, I can't even connect to WIFI at all.
    > I can find no way to unintall NIS. I'd really like to get rid of this in
    > preference
    > to some less expensive and functional option.
    >
    > Internet Explorer absolutely refuses to connect with even default
    > settings. Thank god for FF and K-Meleon.
    >
    > I cannot figure out how to uninstall any IE add on, thinking I've some how
    > inadvertently caused this connection problem.
    >
    > The only way I've found to disable the constant barrage of popups of DUN
    > while using WIFI is in the services.msc, Until it's been
    > re-enabled Windows can't find any DUN, if I need to switch back to dialup.
    > So you sure don't want to forget how you finally got rid of it's incessant
    > popups.
    >
    > I cannot find anything about disabling useless and annoying tray
    > "information," balloons. Not even in a google search. Why is it google is
    > finding us less and less info as time passes? Anyone else notice that?
    >
    > Vista barely runs on the pre-installed one gig of memory, and of course
    > all memory slots are filled with the smallest chips available, creating
    > waste and hardware upgrade expense. [is this what we want to teach our
    > children about how the world should run? lol] sigh. I mean, is it any
    > wonder we are under attack from the rest of the world?
    >
    > It seems MS has found it necessary to change the GUI and operability of at
    > least some of my most commonly used window's apps, windows explorer, [if
    > you can even find it], and add/remove apps. In some of these windows, I
    > can't switch "views," to make them more functional for me. In 'control
    > panel' for example, I can't find a way to switch to 'list' view, and only
    > have large icons as an option as far as I can find.
    >
    > To cut this short, I already feel the need to do a clean re-install of
    > this 'OS' and start over from the beginning, only to find out yesterday
    > while upgrading 512MB of RAM w/1GHz chip, lol,
    > that I can't do this. I only am supplied with an "upgrade" disc! My god
    > what have I gotten myself into? The compusa salesman said if I don't
    > backup everything on this laptop to DVD or CD myself, and something really
    > gets screwed up, I have no option to reinstall Vista as I bought it and as
    > it came with this computer! Is this true? It certainly wouldn't do me any
    > good to back it all up or make an image as it is now.
    >
    > I hate microsoft so much for this. If I knew I could take any version of
    > Linux and easily connect using any method and feel secured with a firewall
    > and AV without being a total expert geek, I'd absolutely do it right now.
    > I'm so sick of this stuff of not being able to be productive the way *I
    > want to be.*
    >
    > Thanks for any suggestions, Deno
    >
     
    Clogwog, Aug 10, 2007
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  9. deno

    deno Guest

    Clogwog wrote:
    > "deno" <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> schreef in bericht
    > news:0217ff14$0$25014$...
    >> By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
    >>
    >> I've only been using it for about a week

    >
    > ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
    >> on this new laptop, and already there is a lot of software screwed up
    >> and not functioning properly. I don't see that I've done anything to
    >> do this.
    >>
    >> I've been using windows since 95, I'm by no means an expert, but
    >> I've not had this much difficulty operating or maintaining other
    >> windows versions, except in trying to get 95 to connect to the internet.
    >>
    >> These are my current problems. Pre-installed Norton Internet
    >> Security, continually asking to update, regardless of it's settings.
    >> It's interface has changed, w/o explanation. After changing default
    >> settings then returning to them, the entire interface has changed.
    >> Disabling it's firewall in preference to using ZA, I can't even
    >> connect to WIFI at all. I can find no way to unintall NIS. I'd really
    >> like to get rid of this in preference
    >> to some less expensive and functional option.
    >>
    >> Internet Explorer absolutely refuses to connect with even default
    >> settings. Thank god for FF and K-Meleon.
    >>
    >> I cannot figure out how to uninstall any IE add on, thinking I've some
    >> how inadvertently caused this connection problem.
    >>
    >> The only way I've found to disable the constant barrage of popups of
    >> DUN while using WIFI is in the services.msc, Until it's been
    >> re-enabled Windows can't find any DUN, if I need to switch back to
    >> dialup. So you sure don't want to forget how you finally got rid of
    >> it's incessant popups.
    >>
    >> I cannot find anything about disabling useless and annoying tray
    >> "information," balloons. Not even in a google search. Why is it google
    >> is finding us less and less info as time passes? Anyone else notice that?
    >>
    >> Vista barely runs on the pre-installed one gig of memory, and of
    >> course all memory slots are filled with the smallest chips available,
    >> creating waste and hardware upgrade expense. [is this what we want to
    >> teach our children about how the world should run? lol] sigh. I mean,
    >> is it any wonder we are under attack from the rest of the world?
    >>
    >> It seems MS has found it necessary to change the GUI and operability
    >> of at least some of my most commonly used window's apps, windows
    >> explorer, [if you can even find it], and add/remove apps. In some of
    >> these windows, I can't switch "views," to make them more functional
    >> for me. In 'control panel' for example, I can't find a way to switch
    >> to 'list' view, and only have large icons as an option as far as I can
    >> find.
    >>
    >> To cut this short, I already feel the need to do a clean re-install of
    >> this 'OS' and start over from the beginning, only to find out
    >> yesterday while upgrading 512MB of RAM w/1GHz chip, lol,
    >> that I can't do this. I only am supplied with an "upgrade" disc! My
    >> god what have I gotten myself into? The compusa salesman said if I
    >> don't backup everything on this laptop to DVD or CD myself, and
    >> something really gets screwed up, I have no option to reinstall Vista
    >> as I bought it and as it came with this computer! Is this true? It
    >> certainly wouldn't do me any good to back it all up or make an image
    >> as it is now.
    >>
    >> I hate microsoft so much for this. If I knew I could take any version
    >> of Linux and easily connect using any method and feel secured with a
    >> firewall and AV without being a total expert geek, I'd absolutely do
    >> it right now. I'm so sick of this stuff of not being able to be
    >> productive the way *I want to be.*
    >>
    >> Thanks for any suggestions, Deno
    >>

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    you existence has been noted and valued for what it is, only it
    doesn't work as you'd hoped, therefore it's pretty much worthless.
     
    deno, Aug 10, 2007
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  10. deno

    WhzzKdd Guest

    "deno" <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote in message
    news:0217ff14$0$25014$...
    > By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
    >
    > I've only been using it for about a week on this new laptop, and already
    > there is a lot of software screwed up and not functioning properly. I
    > don't see that I've done anything to do this.
    >
    >
    > Thanks for any suggestions, Deno



    Don't blame MS. Sure, Vista is bloated, but that's not the problem.

    Start with the notebook itself - which YOU decided to buy. It doesn't have
    enough memory. Did you read the reviews on any legitimate web site, or ask
    any experienced (not salespeople) users what specs you needed? (I'd have to
    guess "not".) My laptop with Vista has been just fine with 2GB, even though
    it's got a fairly slow CPU.

    Second, get that Norton crap OFF of there (Control Panel, Programs and
    Features). ALL of it. I'd say that to anyone, using any OS version, not just
    Vista.

    Third, if you've been mucking about in the settings, you've probably
    exacerbated the connection problems yourself. However, IMO, that was
    precipitated by having that Norton crap on there in the first place. When
    that crap is on there, trying to make it work is only going to make it
    worse.
     
    WhzzKdd, Aug 10, 2007
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  11. deno

    John Guest

    Nothing ever changes. Help forums become places where those with too
    much testosterone pounce on users who are frustrated, and perhaps not
    as savvy as the forum experts have convinced themselves that they are.

    It regrettable that you got dumped on, rather than getting much help.

    FWIW, the idea of making your own DVD backup only works, if you are
    willing to destroy your install, and restore it, to verify that the
    DVD is up to the task. Otherwise, you are prancing around thinking you
    have a backup, and you may not.

    The only way to cope with such bullshit, is the day you buy the
    machine, make the DVD, blow away the system, and make sure it restores
    properly. Do it fast, so you can take it right back and ream someone
    big time.

    Usually, there is a restore feature which uses a hidden image file on
    another partition. You need to check around for it. These seem to
    work, but again, they should be verified as soon as you take delivery
    of the machine. PITA, but better than the risk of having no restore
    capability.

    You are stuck with windows. Linux is not an option for most people,
    and you will be very disappointed with it, as it requires so much
    effort under the hood. Linux had its chance, but the community was too
    busy thinking their distro, and their method was the best, and so it
    is no hopelessly fragmented, and totally unsuited for pretty much all
    but the most sadistic hacker.

    Sorry you got hosed. With tongue in cheek, I can only say that if you
    have been using windows since 95, and you are shocked that its a
    bloated piece of barely useful software, you have not been paying much
    attention. :)
     
    John, Aug 10, 2007
    #11
  12. deno

    Daave Guest

    deno" <"denodens[nospam] wrote:
    > By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
    >
    > I've only been using it for about a week on this new laptop, and
    > already there is a lot of software screwed up and not functioning
    > properly. I don't see that I've done anything to do this.
    >
    > I've been using windows since 95, I'm by no means an expert, but
    > I've not had this much difficulty operating or maintaining other
    > windows versions, except in trying to get 95 to connect to the
    > internet.
    >
    > These are my current problems. Pre-installed Norton Internet
    > Security, continually asking to update, regardless of it's
    > settings. It's interface has changed, w/o explanation.


    That's not a Vista problem. That is what your *PC manufacturer* elected
    to include.
     
    Daave, Aug 10, 2007
    #12
  13. deno

    Ron Martell Guest

    deno <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote:


    >
    >The salesman of the RAM told me this, not the salesman of the
    >laptop, and I can screw myself with or without MS help, but MS
    >definately facilitated that screwing where I could not do it on my
    >own. I suppose you either own MS stock, or work for them then?
    >Thanks for your valuable input.


    Microsoft's licensing terms require that OEMs provide *a method* by
    which the operating system can be restored to the "as it left the
    factory" condition.

    The method of doing this is left up to the individual computer
    manufacturers. Check the documentation that came with the computer
    or phone their tech support and ask you reinstall Windows.

    Good luck

    Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
    --
    Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2008)
    On-Line Help Computer Service
    http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

    "Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
    has never been in bed with a mosquito."
     
    Ron Martell, Aug 10, 2007
    #13
  14. deno

    Mitch Guest

    In article <>, Ron Martell
    <> wrote:

    > Microsoft's licensing terms require that OEMs provide *a method* by
    > which the operating system can be restored to the "as it left the
    > factory" condition.


    For my money, that ain't enough, especially when there is a simple,
    effective, common-sense, easy, cheap and common way to make sure this
    is done in all cases (provide a disc).

    In any case, it *DAMN SURE* ain't up to Microsoft (one of the parties!)
    to determine or decide!
     
    Mitch, Aug 10, 2007
    #14
  15. deno

    Mr. Arnold Guest

    I didn't read it. It's not worth a read.
    Opinions are a dime a dozen, and everyone has got one.
     
    Mr. Arnold, Aug 10, 2007
    #15
  16. deno

    MEG Guest

    On Aug 10, 8:50 am, deno <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote:
    > By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
    >
    > I've only been using it for about a week on this new laptop, and
    > already there is a lot of software screwed up and not functioning
    > properly. I don't see that I've done anything to do this.
    >
    > I've been using windows since 95, I'm by no means an expert, but
    > I've not had this much difficulty operating or maintaining other
    > windows versions, except in trying to get 95 to connect to the
    > internet.
    >
    > These are my current problems. Pre-installed Norton Internet
    > Security, continually asking to update, regardless of it's
    > settings. It's interface has changed, w/o explanation. After
    > changing default settings then returning to them, the entire
    > interface has changed. Disabling it's firewall in preference to
    > using ZA, I can't even connect to WIFI at all. I can find no way
    > to unintall NIS. I'd really like to get rid of this in preference
    > to some less expensive and functional option.
    >
    > Internet Explorer absolutely refuses to connect with even default
    > settings. Thank god for FF and K-Meleon.
    >
    > I cannot figure out how to uninstall any IE add on, thinking I've
    > some how inadvertently caused this connection problem.
    >
    > The only way I've found to disable the constant barrage of popups
    > of DUN while using WIFI is in the services.msc, Until it's been
    > re-enabled Windows can't find any DUN, if I need to switch back to
    > dialup. So you sure don't want to forget how you finally got rid
    > of it's incessant popups.
    >
    > I cannot find anything about disabling useless and annoying tray
    > "information," balloons. Not even in a google search. Why is it
    > google is finding us less and less info as time passes? Anyone
    > else notice that?
    >
    > Vista barely runs on the pre-installed one gig of memory, and of
    > course all memory slots are filled with the smallest chips
    > available, creating waste and hardware upgrade expense. [is this
    > what we want to teach our children about how the world should run?
    > lol] sigh. I mean, is it any wonder we are under attack from the
    > rest of the world?
    >
    > It seems MS has found it necessary to change the GUI and
    > operability of at least some of my most commonly used window's
    > apps, windows explorer, [if you can even find it], and add/remove
    > apps. In some of these windows, I can't switch "views," to make
    > them more functional for me. In 'control panel' for example, I
    > can't find a way to switch to 'list' view, and only have large
    > icons as an option as far as I can find.
    >
    > To cut this short, I already feel the need to do a clean
    > re-install of this 'OS' and start over from the beginning, only to
    > find out yesterday while upgrading 512MB of RAM w/1GHz chip, lol,
    > that I can't do this. I only am supplied with an "upgrade" disc!
    > My god what have I gotten myself into? The compusa salesman said
    > if I don't backup everything on this laptop to DVD or CD myself,
    > and something really gets screwed up, I have no option to
    > reinstall Vista as I bought it and as it came with this computer!
    > Is this true? It certainly wouldn't do me any good to back it
    > all up or make an image as it is now.
    >
    > I hate microsoft so much for this. If I knew I could take any
    > version of Linux and easily connect using any method and feel
    > secured with a firewall and AV without being a total expert geek,
    > I'd absolutely do it right now. I'm so sick of this stuff of not
    > being able to be productive the way *I want to be.*
    >
    > Thanks for any suggestions, Deno


    What do you expect from a bunch of chinese software jerks, but they
    are cheap......
     
    MEG, Aug 11, 2007
    #16
  17. deno

    doS Guest

    you boot from the damn upgrade disc and do a clean install, what a m0r00n

    "deno" <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote in message
    news:46bc98cb$0$23611$...
    > olfart wrote:
    >> "deno" <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:0217ff14$0$25014$...
    >>> By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
    >>>
    >>> Snip
    >>>
    >>> To cut this short, I already feel the need to do a clean re-install of
    >>> this 'OS' and start over from the beginning, only to find out yesterday
    >>> while upgrading 512MB of RAM w/1GHz chip, lol,
    >>> that I can't do this. I only am supplied with an "upgrade" disc! My god
    >>> what have I gotten myself into? The compusa salesman said if I don't
    >>> backup everything on this laptop to DVD or CD myself, and something
    >>> really gets screwed up, I have no option to reinstall Vista as I bought
    >>> it and as it came with this computer! Is this true? It certainly
    >>> wouldn't do me any good to back it all up or make an image as it is now.
    >>>

    >> The salesman told you to backup to a DVD and you didn't??
    >> The salesman told you that you had no option to reinstall Vista???
    >>
    >> And you bought it anyway?????
    >>
    >> MS didn't screw you....
    >> You screwed yourself
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I forgot to mention, I *could* screw back. I mean, I'm sure MS hasn't
    > neglected to notice that option. It's as if they almost expect it I'd say.
    > I'd bet a nickel to a dollar I can get my money back returning this
    > computer for a full refund, and that only screws MS, the retailer, and
    > every other windows purchaser that comes after me. That's just one way of
    > un-screwing myself for the cost of gasoline to get there.
     
    doS, Aug 11, 2007
    #17
  18. deno

    Top Guest

    Mitch wrote:

    > In article <>, Ron Martell
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> Microsoft's licensing terms require that OEMs provide *a method* by
    >> which the operating system can be restored to the "as it left the
    >> factory" condition.

    >
    > For my money, that ain't enough, especially when there is a simple,
    > effective, common-sense, easy, cheap and common way to make sure this
    > is done in all cases (provide a disc).
    >
    > In any case, it *DAMN SURE* ain't up to Microsoft (one of the parties!)
    > to determine or decide!


    My upgrade version of Vista came with disk.

    Top
     
    Top, Aug 11, 2007
    #18
  19. John wrote:
    > Nothing ever changes. Help forums become places where those with too
    > much testosterone pounce on users who are frustrated, and perhaps not
    > as savvy as the forum experts have convinced themselves that they are.
    >
    > It regrettable that you got dumped on, rather than getting much help.
    >
    > FWIW, the idea of making your own DVD backup only works, if you are
    > willing to destroy your install, and restore it, to verify that the
    > DVD is up to the task. Otherwise, you are prancing around thinking you
    > have a backup, and you may not.
    >
    > The only way to cope with such bullshit, is the day you buy the
    > machine, make the DVD, blow away the system, and make sure it restores
    > properly. Do it fast, so you can take it right back and ream someone
    > big time.
    >
    > Usually, there is a restore feature which uses a hidden image file on
    > another partition. You need to check around for it. These seem to
    > work, but again, they should be verified as soon as you take delivery
    > of the machine. PITA, but better than the risk of having no restore
    > capability.
    >
    > You are stuck with windows. Linux is not an option for most people,
    > and you will be very disappointed with it, as it requires so much
    > effort under the hood. Linux had its chance, but the community was too
    > busy thinking their distro, and their method was the best, and so it
    > is no hopelessly fragmented, and totally unsuited for pretty much all
    > but the most sadistic hacker.
    >
    > Sorry you got hosed. With tongue in cheek, I can only say that if you
    > have been using windows since 95, and you are shocked that its a
    > bloated piece of barely useful software, you have not been paying much
    > attention. :)


    Yeah, no arrogance there.
     
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=F4g=EAr?=, Aug 11, 2007
    #19
  20. deno

    Plato Guest

    Plato, Aug 11, 2007
    #20
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