Video card issues/questions

Discussion in 'Computer Information' started by AcidX, Jan 27, 2006.

  1. AcidX

    AcidX Guest

    Heya.

    The other day I decided that my PC needed a better video card.
    It's been running of the 32mb onboard graphics for ages.

    However, before I ran out and bought one, I decided to look through
    some old computer parts.

    I found this
    (http://www.epinions.com/Matrox_Vide..._Graphics_Cards_MY220P_4N/display_~full_specs)
    card, which I'd been given a while ago by a friend. Firstly, I'm not
    too sure whether this is just a 4mb graphics card, or if that's just
    the built in size. It also says 64-bit graphics on the main chip, and I
    was wondering whether this means I need a 64-bit machine, or if it's
    64mb graphics (or whatever)...

    I never actually used it in my old system, and when trying to install
    it in this one, windows didn't start up correctly.

    My PC booted fine, but then when trying to open the logon screen it
    just stayed black and (I think) stopped responding, as the keyboard
    wasn't working either. (eg, num lock light, etc)
    Is this due to a bios setting, the card, or my PCI slots?

    I have had similar issues with my PCI slots before (when trying to
    install firewire my PC responded in a very similar way) so in the end,
    I just got rid of that card and have been using a special USB cable
    ever since. However, the card I threw away was faulty (recieved a shock
    or something and got fried)


    Basically, I just want to know what this card is capable of and also if
    my PCI slots are broken/how to fix them. I'm not too hesitant about
    throwing the card away, I got it for free, it'd just give me time to
    save up a bit more and buy a few other things if I can use this card.

    Thanks =)
     
    AcidX, Jan 27, 2006
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  2. AcidX

    Pen Guest

    "AcidX" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Heya.
    >
    > The other day I decided that my PC needed a better video
    > card.
    > It's been running of the 32mb onboard graphics for ages.
    >
    > However, before I ran out and bought one, I decided to
    > look through
    > some old computer parts.
    >
    > I found this
    > (http://www.epinions.com/Matrox_Vide..._Graphics_Cards_MY220P_4N/display_~full_specs)
    > card, which I'd been given a while ago by a friend.
    > Firstly, I'm not
    > too sure whether this is just a 4mb graphics card, or if
    > that's just
    > the built in size. It also says 64-bit graphics on the
    > main chip, and I
    > was wondering whether this means I need a 64-bit machine,
    > or if it's
    > 64mb graphics (or whatever)...
    >
    > I never actually used it in my old system, and when trying
    > to install
    > it in this one, windows didn't start up correctly.
    >
    > My PC booted fine, but then when trying to open the logon
    > screen it
    > just stayed black and (I think) stopped responding, as the
    > keyboard
    > wasn't working either. (eg, num lock light, etc)
    > Is this due to a bios setting, the card, or my PCI slots?
    >
    > I have had similar issues with my PCI slots before (when
    > trying to
    > install firewire my PC responded in a very similar way) so
    > in the end,
    > I just got rid of that card and have been using a special
    > USB cable
    > ever since. However, the card I threw away was faulty
    > (recieved a shock
    > or something and got fried)
    >
    >
    > Basically, I just want to know what this card is capable
    > of and also if
    > my PCI slots are broken/how to fix them. I'm not too
    > hesitant about
    > throwing the card away, I got it for free, it'd just give
    > me time to
    > save up a bit more and buy a few other things if I can use
    > this card.
    >
    > Thanks =)

    That card is 4MB of video memory only. The data width
    has only to do with the on card video processing. The
    card has a PCI interface. Did you turn off the built
    in graphics in the BIOS?
     
    Pen, Jan 27, 2006
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  3. AcidX

    Sleepy Guest

    "AcidX" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Heya.
    >
    > The other day I decided that my PC needed a better video card.
    > It's been running of the 32mb onboard graphics for ages.
    >
    > However, before I ran out and bought one, I decided to look through
    > some old computer parts.
    >
    > I found this
    > (http://www.epinions.com/Matrox_Vide..._Graphics_Cards_MY220P_4N/display_~full_specs)
    > card, which I'd been given a while ago by a friend. Firstly, I'm not
    > too sure whether this is just a 4mb graphics card, or if that's just
    > the built in size. It also says 64-bit graphics on the main chip, and I
    > was wondering whether this means I need a 64-bit machine, or if it's
    > 64mb graphics (or whatever)...
    >
    > I never actually used it in my old system, and when trying to install
    > it in this one, windows didn't start up correctly.
    >
    > My PC booted fine, but then when trying to open the logon screen it
    > just stayed black and (I think) stopped responding, as the keyboard
    > wasn't working either. (eg, num lock light, etc)
    > Is this due to a bios setting, the card, or my PCI slots?
    >
    > I have had similar issues with my PCI slots before (when trying to
    > install firewire my PC responded in a very similar way) so in the end,
    > I just got rid of that card and have been using a special USB cable
    > ever since. However, the card I threw away was faulty (recieved a shock
    > or something and got fried)
    >
    >
    > Basically, I just want to know what this card is capable of and also if
    > my PCI slots are broken/how to fix them. I'm not too hesitant about
    > throwing the card away, I got it for free, it'd just give me time to
    > save up a bit more and buy a few other things if I can use this card.
    >
    > Thanks =)
    >

    Matrox make cards which have very good image quality for desktop usage but
    theyve never been fast cards for gaming. That 4mb refers to the memory on
    the card and 64-bit will be the memory inteface. Web browsing, Office
    applications etc will run fine on that card but nothing more demanding. As
    always when changing cards - uninstall the old drivers - reboot in VGA mode
    with the new card fitted then install the new drivers. Make sure you disable
    the onboard graphics chip or it'll conflict with the new card.
     
    Sleepy, Jan 27, 2006
    #3
  4. AcidX

    Pen Guest

    "AcidX" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Heya.
    >
    > The other day I decided that my PC needed a better video
    > card.
    > It's been running of the 32mb onboard graphics for ages.
    >
    > However, before I ran out and bought one, I decided to
    > look through
    > some old computer parts.
    >
    > I found this
    > (http://www.epinions.com/Matrox_Vide..._Graphics_Cards_MY220P_4N/display_~full_specs)
    > card, which I'd been given a while ago by a friend.
    > Firstly, I'm not
    > too sure whether this is just a 4mb graphics card, or if
    > that's just
    > the built in size. It also says 64-bit graphics on the
    > main chip, and I
    > was wondering whether this means I need a 64-bit machine,
    > or if it's
    > 64mb graphics (or whatever)...
    >
    > I never actually used it in my old system, and when trying
    > to install
    > it in this one, windows didn't start up correctly.
    >
    > My PC booted fine, but then when trying to open the logon
    > screen it
    > just stayed black and (I think) stopped responding, as the
    > keyboard
    > wasn't working either. (eg, num lock light, etc)
    > Is this due to a bios setting, the card, or my PCI slots?
    >
    > I have had similar issues with my PCI slots before (when
    > trying to
    > install firewire my PC responded in a very similar way) so
    > in the end,
    > I just got rid of that card and have been using a special
    > USB cable
    > ever since. However, the card I threw away was faulty
    > (recieved a shock
    > or something and got fried)
    >
    >
    > Basically, I just want to know what this card is capable
    > of and also if
    > my PCI slots are broken/how to fix them. I'm not too
    > hesitant about
    > throwing the card away, I got it for free, it'd just give
    > me time to
    > save up a bit more and buy a few other things if I can use
    > this card.
    >
    > Thanks =)
    >I just re read your post and the Matrox card is probably

    a step backwards from the 32 MB built in.
     
    Pen, Jan 27, 2006
    #4
  5. AcidX

    AcidX Guest

    Heh... Thought that'd be the case.

    Now here's a question... Could I get another card I have (GeForce4 MX
    420) which is agp 8x to work in my agp 4x slot.
    I know it shouldn't work, and probably wont, but if anyone knows
    whether nvidia make their card backwards compatible (for some reason)
    please tell me ;)

    Thanks for all the help guys.
     
    AcidX, Jan 27, 2006
    #5
  6. AcidX

    Sleepy Guest

    "AcidX" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Heh... Thought that'd be the case.
    >
    > Now here's a question... Could I get another card I have (GeForce4 MX
    > 420) which is agp 8x to work in my agp 4x slot.
    > I know it shouldn't work, and probably wont, but if anyone knows
    > whether nvidia make their card backwards compatible (for some reason)
    > please tell me ;)
    >
    > Thanks for all the help guys.
    >

    that card will work fine in a 4x slot.
     
    Sleepy, Jan 27, 2006
    #6
  7. AcidX

    AcidX Guest

    Ok... I tried it (hadn't uninstalled my current drivers or installed
    the ones for that) but the screen had big verticle scanlines (red,
    green, blue and white) on, and the display was generally weird.
    This also happened during boot (before windows had loaded).

    I didn't change my BIOS settings either, that was just a quick test.
    Can anyone tell me why, or if it's just because I didn't change any
    settings?

    If not, I'll just try installing it later ;)
     
    AcidX, Jan 27, 2006
    #7
  8. AcidX

    DaveW Guest

    That old card is incompatible with your newer computer. It is an ancient 4
    MB video RAM card. Time to throw it away.

    --
    DaveW

    ----------------
    "AcidX" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Heya.
    >
    > The other day I decided that my PC needed a better video card.
    > It's been running of the 32mb onboard graphics for ages.
    >
    > However, before I ran out and bought one, I decided to look through
    > some old computer parts.
    >
    > I found this
    > (http://www.epinions.com/Matrox_Vide..._Graphics_Cards_MY220P_4N/display_~full_specs)
    > card, which I'd been given a while ago by a friend. Firstly, I'm not
    > too sure whether this is just a 4mb graphics card, or if that's just
    > the built in size. It also says 64-bit graphics on the main chip, and I
    > was wondering whether this means I need a 64-bit machine, or if it's
    > 64mb graphics (or whatever)...
    >
    > I never actually used it in my old system, and when trying to install
    > it in this one, windows didn't start up correctly.
    >
    > My PC booted fine, but then when trying to open the logon screen it
    > just stayed black and (I think) stopped responding, as the keyboard
    > wasn't working either. (eg, num lock light, etc)
    > Is this due to a bios setting, the card, or my PCI slots?
    >
    > I have had similar issues with my PCI slots before (when trying to
    > install firewire my PC responded in a very similar way) so in the end,
    > I just got rid of that card and have been using a special USB cable
    > ever since. However, the card I threw away was faulty (recieved a shock
    > or something and got fried)
    >
    >
    > Basically, I just want to know what this card is capable of and also if
    > my PCI slots are broken/how to fix them. I'm not too hesitant about
    > throwing the card away, I got it for free, it'd just give me time to
    > save up a bit more and buy a few other things if I can use this card.
    >
    > Thanks =)
    >
     
    DaveW, Jan 28, 2006
    #8
  9. AcidX

    Ken Maltby Guest

    "DaveW" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > That old card is incompatible with your newer computer. It is an ancient
    > 4 MB video RAM card. Time to throw it away.
    >
    > --
    > DaveW


    Actually throwing it away might be a mistake, at least as
    long as there are PCI slots around. You might need a
    check on your AGP or PCIe card, someday. Also, you
    might be greatly surprised how much you can do with
    such a card. A PCI card can be used while your PCIe
    card is "in the shop" or being replaced, an AGP card
    wouldn't have a place to plug-in.

    Aside from games, there is very little that a 2MB card
    can't handle as well as the latest and greatest vid cards.
    The OP's card also has some of the basic "Video"/movie
    clip acceleration, and could play video streams as well as
    most do now. As for games, his 4MG card should handle
    plenty of the old standards up to and including "Red Alert"
    and "Age of Empires". Can't remember where the "Quake"
    cutoff was with the 2MG card I had temporally installed. I
    seem to remember "Quake II" running fine, though.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Jan 28, 2006
    #9
  10. AcidX

    kony Guest

    On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:18:42 -0800, "DaveW"
    <> wrote:

    >That old card is incompatible with your newer computer. It is an ancient 4
    >MB video RAM card. Time to throw it away.



    You base this guess upon what, exactly?
    There's no reason a brand new state-of-the-art system
    couldn't run from an old 4MB PCI card... but then why would
    anyone want to do it?
     
    kony, Jan 28, 2006
    #10
  11. AcidX

    kony Guest

    On 27 Jan 2006 10:05:03 -0800, "AcidX"
    <> wrote:

    >Heya.
    >
    >The other day I decided that my PC needed a better video card.
    >It's been running of the 32mb onboard graphics for ages.


    It needs a better video card for what, exactly? The
    consideration must be of what you hope to gain.


    >
    >However, before I ran out and bought one, I decided to look through
    >some old computer parts.
    >
    >I found this
    >(http://www.epinions.com/Matrox_Vide..._Graphics_Cards_MY220P_4N/display_~full_specs)
    >card, which I'd been given a while ago by a friend. Firstly, I'm not
    >too sure whether this is just a 4mb graphics card, or if that's just
    >the built in size. It also says 64-bit graphics on the main chip, and I
    >was wondering whether this means I need a 64-bit machine, or if it's
    >64mb graphics (or whatever)...


    4MB memory, well endowed compared to some video cards of
    that era... I have a shoebox full of 1-2MB cards, they're
    useful for troubleshooting, function-specific systems that
    don't need anything particular for video, or when a bios is
    bad they can be useful to get a display output, sometimes,
    when an AGP card won't.


    >
    >I never actually used it in my old system, and when trying to install
    >it in this one, windows didn't start up correctly.
    >
    >My PC booted fine, but then when trying to open the logon screen it
    >just stayed black and (I think) stopped responding, as the keyboard
    >wasn't working either. (eg, num lock light, etc)
    >Is this due to a bios setting, the card, or my PCI slots?
    >


    You'd first want to disable the onboard video, or leave the
    PCI card set to secondary in bios and run system from it
    until the driver for the new card is installed. Windows
    probably supports that card with a basic driver already, at
    least any version of windows newer than Win98 first edition.


    >I have had similar issues with my PCI slots before (when trying to
    >install firewire my PC responded in a very similar way) so in the end,
    >I just got rid of that card and have been using a special USB cable
    >ever since. However, the card I threw away was faulty (recieved a shock
    >or something and got fried)


    Probably unrelated, mere coincidence that it's also a PCI
    card.


    >
    >
    >Basically, I just want to know what this card is capable of


    Basic 2D output that's fairly crisp at low resolution. It
    was a reasonably good card for that in it's day but that was
    a decade ago, today it's slow by any standard you want to
    compare so only if there is no particular video need (such
    as a system with no user watching a monitor, or some retro
    MAME/ DOS thing) would it be a reasonable choice.

    >and also if
    >my PCI slots are broken/how to fix them. I'm not too hesitant about
    >throwing the card away, I got it for free, it'd just give me time to
    >save up a bit more and buy a few other things if I can use this card.


    Throwing away or keeping old parts has more to do with your
    philosophy about keeing things on a remote chance they might
    be useful to a limited extent... and how much space you have
    to store such things. If it's giving you the evil eye and
    you loose sleep over it, bash it with a hammer as that can
    be very satisfying, but otherwise, keep using your
    integrated video if it's remotely modern as it's better than
    a PCI card that old.
     
    kony, Jan 28, 2006
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  12. AcidX

    AcidX Guest

    kony wrote:
    > On 27 Jan 2006 10:05:03 -0800, "AcidX"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >Heya.
    > >
    > >The other day I decided that my PC needed a better video card.
    > >It's been running of the 32mb onboard graphics for ages.

    >
    > It needs a better video card for what, exactly? The
    > consideration must be of what you hope to gain.
    >

    I do a lot of video editing, flash animation and other graphic intense
    stuff (such as gaming) and 32mb is getting a bit old compared to the
    requirements of most new games and even some new programs (mainly 3D
    modelling ones).

    If anyone can recommend a good card for me (I'm looking for - at an
    absolute minimum - 64MB but preferably 128, or even 256 - depending on
    how much money I have at the time. However, it also has to be PCI, or
    AGP 4X compatible)

    As for keeping old parts... Well, No doubt I'll be keeping them, I have
    two drawers full of old parts. Mainly modems and ram though. I don't
    really know what it'll be useful for, but It's always handy to keep
    this stuff ;)

    Thanks for the help =)
     
    AcidX, Jan 28, 2006
    #12
  13. AcidX

    kony Guest

    On 28 Jan 2006 10:13:50 -0800, "AcidX"
    <> wrote:

    >kony wrote:
    >> On 27 Jan 2006 10:05:03 -0800, "AcidX"
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Heya.
    >> >
    >> >The other day I decided that my PC needed a better video card.
    >> >It's been running of the 32mb onboard graphics for ages.

    >>
    >> It needs a better video card for what, exactly? The
    >> consideration must be of what you hope to gain.
    >>

    >I do a lot of video editing, flash animation and other graphic intense
    >stuff (such as gaming) and 32mb is getting a bit old compared to the
    >requirements of most new games and even some new programs (mainly 3D
    >modelling ones).


    The video editing, flash and other "graphic intense stuff"
    will have negligible benefit from a video card change
    (addition).

    The gaming will have a very large benefit.


    >
    >If anyone can recommend a good card for me (I'm looking for - at an
    >absolute minimum - 64MB but preferably 128, or even 256 - depending on
    >how much money I have at the time. However, it also has to be PCI, or
    >AGP 4X compatible)


    You have not mentioned the details of the rest of the
    system. Therefore there is no way to know how fast
    (expensive) a card you could benefit from.

    For gaming performance a PCI card should be avoided, and AGP
    4X is a minor limitation only, probably not much considering
    the system itself is aging to have only 4X slot. Something
    like a Geforce 6600GT is probably about as fast as needed,
    if not overkill (depends on the parts you didnt' mention).
    It may not make much sense to buy a faster card rather than
    looking at replacing whole system if ultimate gaming
    performance is important.


    >
    >As for keeping old parts... Well, No doubt I'll be keeping them, I have
    >two drawers full of old parts. Mainly modems and ram though. I don't
    >really know what it'll be useful for, but It's always handy to keep
    >this stuff ;)



    Modems are plenty useful, providing they're PCI... dial-up
    analog isn't going higher than 56K and for faxing, 14 or 28K
    is all many fax machines (on the other end) accept anyway.
    Old memory- depends on how old, though it hardly takes up
    any space and if it's at least PC100 there may be someone
    out there you know who could use it.
     
    kony, Jan 29, 2006
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  14. AcidX

    AcidX Guest

    My system also was 1gb ram, and a 2.53Ghz Processor.

    I'm not exactly looking for the ultimate gaming machine... I'd just
    like newer games to be more playable. Right now they're running at
    about 2 - 10 FPS, which isn't fun at all.

    I'm probably going to buy my own desktop, or maybe a laptop sometime in
    the future. Then I'll be able to take it with me when I (hopefully) go
    onto uni, or further education.
    If that is the case, I may end up taking some of these upgrades out
    (eg, the extra ram sticks) and taking them too. However, if I do get a
    laptop I'll just have to make sure I buy a decent quality one from the
    beginning.
     
    AcidX, Jan 29, 2006
    #14
  15. AcidX

    kony Guest

    On 29 Jan 2006 06:51:10 -0800, "AcidX"
    <> wrote:

    >My system also was 1gb ram, and a 2.53Ghz Processor.
    >
    >I'm not exactly looking for the ultimate gaming machine... I'd just
    >like newer games to be more playable. Right now they're running at
    >about 2 - 10 FPS, which isn't fun at all.
    >
    >I'm probably going to buy my own desktop, or maybe a laptop sometime in
    >the future. Then I'll be able to take it with me when I (hopefully) go
    >onto uni, or further education.
    >If that is the case, I may end up taking some of these upgrades out
    >(eg, the extra ram sticks) and taking them too. However, if I do get a
    >laptop I'll just have to make sure I buy a decent quality one from the
    >beginning.


    6600GT would be a reasonable choice though with it AGP, any
    *new* system you buy in the future of reasonable gaming
    potential (then, for it's era) would be expected to be PCI
    Express so the video card wouldn't be reusable.
     
    kony, Jan 30, 2006
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