VERTIGO and Sony 3000

Discussion in 'DVD Video' started by John Moore, Jan 25, 2004.

  1. John Moore

    John Moore Guest

    I know my dvd player is getting long in the tooth, but I hope someone
    can help me. I have been itching to watch my disc of VERTIGO lately, so
    I put it in tonight, and it won't even recognize the disc. It seems I
    have had this problem once before with another disc, but that was long
    ago and I don't recall the specifics. And since the dvd player on my
    computer has been removed, I am VERTIGOless. HELP!

    Please write me at my email address.

    Thanks!

    John
     
    John Moore, Jan 25, 2004
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  2. On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:23:32 GMT, John Moore
    <> wrote:

    >I know my dvd player is getting long in the tooth, but I hope someone
    >can help me. I have been itching to watch my disc of VERTIGO lately, so
    >I put it in tonight, and it won't even recognize the disc. It seems I
    >have had this problem once before with another disc, but that was long
    >ago and I don't recall the specifics. And since the dvd player on my
    >computer has been removed, I am VERTIGOless. HELP!


    Is it the original release or the speciall edition? There have been
    some reports of DVDrot on the former.

    . Steve .
    >
    >Please write me at my email address.
    >
    >Thanks!
    >
    >John
     
    Steve(JazzHunter), Jan 25, 2004
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  3. John Moore

    John Moore Guest

    "Steve(JazzHunter)" wrote:

    > Is it the original release or the speciall edition? There have been
    > some reports of DVDrot on the former.


    Wow, really? It's the collector's edition with the orange art. What's the
    difference in the two?

    Thanks

    John
     
    John Moore, Jan 26, 2004
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  4. John Moore

    Scot Gardner Guest

    "John Moore" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    >
    > "Steve(JazzHunter)" wrote:
    >
    > > Is it the original release or the speciall edition? There have
    > > been some reports of DVDrot on the former.

    >
    > Wow, really? It's the collector's edition with the orange art.
    > What's the difference in the two?
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > John



    I have the orange version of _Vertigo_ and it is playing well right now.
    Both layers look as good as might be expected from an over-compressed,
    non-anamorphic DVD made from a pristine, restored movie. I think that
    the new blue cover version contains exactly the same disk as the orange
    one.

    During 1998 Universal released quite a few DVDs in jewel cases,
    including _Vertigo_. Apparently, this was the original Special Edition
    of _Vertigo_. The new orange and blue versions are labeled Collector's
    Edition.

    Those early Universal pressings might be suspect since they probably
    came from the same disk replication plant as the rotted _Vertigo_. Some
    of the other Universal DVDs packaged in jewel cases were:

    12 Monkeys
    Apollo 13
    Brazil
    Casino
    Cliffhanger
    Conan the Barbarian
    Conan the Destroyer
    Dante's Peak
    Darkman
    Death Becomes Her
    Deer Hunter
    Dragonheart
    Dune
    Field of Dreams
    Fierce Creatures
    Happy Gilmore
    High Plains Drifter
    Liar Liar
    Little Women
    Matilda
    Men in Black
    Nutty Professor
    Professional
    Scarface
    Sleepless in Seattle
    Sneakers
    Sparticus
    Sting
    Young Hercules

    http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/
     
    Scot Gardner, Jan 26, 2004
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  5. John Moore

    John Moore Guest

    Scot Gardner wrote:

    > I have the orange version of _Vertigo_ and it is playing well right now.
    > Both layers look as good as might be expected from an over-compressed,
    > non-anamorphic DVD made from a pristine, restored movie. I think that
    > the new blue cover version contains exactly the same disk as the orange
    > one.
    >
    > During 1998 Universal released quite a few DVDs in jewel cases,
    > including _Vertigo_. Apparently, this was the original Special Edition
    > of _Vertigo_. The new orange and blue versions are labeled Collector's
    > Edition.
    >
    > Those early Universal pressings might be suspect since they probably
    > came from the same disk replication plant as the rotted _Vertigo


    I appreciate the info. Mine was the orange Collector's Edition (the same as
    the disc in the blue art case). I searched google and found a story of a
    guy who had the same Vertigo problems with the same machine. He got another
    copy and it played fine. Then suddenly, I noticed that this "guy" was me.
    I had forgotten all about that. Now it seems my new copy would not play
    (though it does play in computer DVD players).

    Today I went out and bought a new DVD player. To my frustration, Vertigo
    does not play in it either. Am I just out of luck, or is there a way to
    request a replacement?

    John
     
    John Moore, Jan 26, 2004
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  6. John Moore

    Scot Gardner Guest

    "John Moore" <> wrote in message
    news:...

    <<Today I went out and bought a new DVD player. To my frustration,
    Vertigo does not play in it either. Am I just out of luck, or is there
    a way to request a replacement? John>>


    Here is the number for Universal that owners of the mis-framed _Back to
    the Future_ DVDs were told to call:

    (888) 703-0010.

    If this fails, _Vertigo_ now has a list price of $19.98 as compared to
    its outrageous original price of $34.98. To be honest, Universal's
    _Vertigo_ DVD has a lousy transfer. I have been hoping for the last few
    years that Universal will finally give this title the high-bitrate,
    anamorphic treatment that it deserves.

    _Vertigo_ is definitely NOT a DVD masterpiece. Universal chose to give
    us an overpriced, non-anamorphic disk with enough decompression
    artifacts to totally distract viewers from the plot of the movie. And
    what a plot it is: A man fixates on a dead woman.

    The artifacts that I am referring to can only be described as pulsing.
    Fine details in stationary objects, such as wallpaper and sides of
    buildings, jump side to side and up and down. One of scenes which best
    illustrates this effect is found in the bookstore beginning at 35 min 32
    sec. Look at Jimmy Stewart's suit as he stands between Midge and Pop
    Libel. The pixels are jumping around like a bunch of agitated fleas. The
    same thing is happening to Midge's coat and the walls as well. This
    pulsing, "QuickTime" look is present throughout the entire film and it
    can be very distracting at times.

    One of the most vivid and memorable scenes in the movie begins at 17
    minutes where Scottie sees Madeleine for the first time. This scene
    looks very good in its current DVD version. However, it would look
    absolutely gorgeous if it were anamorphic.
     
    Scot Gardner, Jan 26, 2004
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  7. On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:47:32 -0800, "Scot Gardner"
    <> wrote:

    >"John Moore" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >
    ><<Today I went out and bought a new DVD player. To my frustration,
    >V
    >_Vertigo_ is definitely NOT a DVD masterpiece. Universal chose to give
    >us an overpriced, non-anamorphic disk with enough decompression
    >artifacts to totally distract viewers from the plot of the movie. And
    >what a plot it is: A man fixates on a dead woman.
    >
    >The artifacts that I am referring to can only be described as pulsing.
    >Fine details in stationary objects, such as wallpaper and sides of
    >buildings, jump side to side and up and down. One of scenes which best
    >illustrates this effect is found in the bookstore beginning at 35 min 32
    >sec. Look at Jimmy Stewart's suit as he stands between Midge and Pop
    >Libel. The pixels are jumping around like a bunch of agitated fleas. The
    >same thing is happening to Midge's coat and the walls as well. This
    >pulsing, "QuickTime" look is present throughout the entire film and it
    >can be very distracting at times.
    >


    This is probably due to real-time hardware rendering, in other words
    dubbing to Mpeg2, rather than multipass rendering done in a production
    lab from the digtal master. "Splash" for example has this same
    pulsing look as well as many other early DVD's. Thank Goodness I can
    toss my old DVD of "Splash" when the new SE is released. The
    laserdisc actually looks marginally better than the DVD of "Splash."

    . Steve .
     
    Steve(JazzHunter), Jan 26, 2004
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  8. John Moore

    Scot Gardner Guest

    "Steve(JazzHunter)" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >This pulsing, "QuickTime" look is present throughout the entire film
    >and it can be very distracting at times.


    <<This is probably due to real-time hardware rendering, in other words
    dubbing to Mpeg2, rather than multipass rendering done in a production
    lab from the digtal master. "Splash" for example has this same pulsing
    look as well as many other early DVD's. Thank Goodness I can toss my old
    DVD of "Splash" when the new SE is released. The laserdisc actually
    looks marginally better than the DVD of "Splash." . Steve .>>


    Thanks for the verification of this "pulsing" problem in the Region 1
    verson of _Vertigo_. Most of those early DVDs need to be redone. Back in
    September of 2000, I presented this same information and got this reply:

    <<That's funny, it looks great on my player. No artifacts, no problems,
    just a great picture throughout.>>

    What is particularly annoying is the way the 30-minute DVD documentary
    goes on and on about how Universal spent $1 million for a painstaking,
    frame by frame restoration. When the restored _Vertigo_ played in
    theaters, everybody was astonished at how good the movie looked and
    sounded. Some critics went so far as to suggest that the movie looked
    better after the restoration than it looked when it was first released
    in 1958.

    Then after all that, Universal put out this awful DVD.
     
    Scot Gardner, Jan 26, 2004
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  9. John Moore

    CNDA Guest

    "Scot Gardner" <> wrote in message
    news:20040126095507.975$...
    > Thanks for the verification of this "pulsing" problem in the Region 1
    > verson of _Vertigo_. Most of those early DVDs need to be redone. Back

    in
    > September of 2000, I presented this same information and got this

    reply:
    >
    > <<That's funny, it looks great on my player. No artifacts, no

    problems,
    > just a great picture throughout.>>
    >


    I also read your earlier asessment of the DVD release of this movie and
    agreed with you that it could have been better, anamorphic for starters.
    However, I wouldn't call it awful. I also viewed this item on a DVD
    S-3000, my very first player. Also on another Sony DVP NP7000P or
    something. Same artifacts, same softness but not enough to call it
    awful.

    I just pulled my orange cover copy of this DVD this morning to watch for
    DVD rot and there's none. It played fine on my department store brand
    (Hoher T-030) multizone/NTSC/PAL DVD player (60 euros).

    There's a comparison between the zone 1 and zone 4
    (Australia/anamorphic) editions at:

    http://www.dvdbeaver.com/

    César.
     
    CNDA, Jan 26, 2004
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  10. John Moore

    Scot Gardner Guest

    "CNDA" <> wrote in message
    news:bv3s53$o2of3$-berlin.de...

    "Scot Gardner" <> wrote in message
    news:20040126095507.975$...
    > Thanks for the verification of this "pulsing" problem in the Region 1
    > version of _Vertigo_. Most of those early DVDs need to be redone. Back

    in
    > September of 2000, I presented this same information and got this

    reply:
    >
    > <<That's funny, it looks great on my player. No artifacts, no

    problems,
    > just a great picture throughout.>>
    >


    <<I also read your earlier asessment of the DVD release of this movie
    and agreed with you that it could have been better, anamorphic for
    starters. However, I wouldn't call it awful. I also viewed this item on
    a DVD
    S-3000, my very first player. Also on another Sony DVP NP7000P or
    something. Same artifacts, same softness but not enough to call it
    awful.>>

    <<I just pulled my orange cover copy of this DVD this morning to watch
    for DVD rot and there's none. It played fine on my department store
    brand (Hoher T-030) multizone/NTSC/PAL DVD player (60 euros).>>

    <<There's a comparison between the zone 1 and zone 4
    (Australia/anamorphic) editions at: César. >>

    http://www.dvdbeaver.com/


    Thanks for the comparison. The Region 4 version has a higher bitrate and
    an anamorphic transfer, so naturally, the Region 4 screen shots show
    greater detail. However, the greater detail comes with color problems.

    Anyway, I think that the 4% speed up of the Region 4 version would be a
    trade off that I would not be happy with.
     
    Scot Gardner, Jan 27, 2004
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  11. John Moore

    CNDA Guest

    "Scot Gardner" <> wrote in message
    news:20040127110158.103$...

    >
    > Thanks for the comparison. The Region 4 version has a higher bitrate

    and
    > an anamorphic transfer, so naturally, the Region 4 screen shots show
    > greater detail. However, the greater detail comes with color problems.
    >
    > Anyway, I think that the 4% speed up of the Region 4 version would be

    a
    > trade off that I would not be happy with.
    >


    Like good ol' Roseanne Roseannadanna would say: "It's always
    something."

    César.
     
    CNDA, Jan 27, 2004
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  12. John Moore

    John Moore Guest

    Scot Gardner wrote:

    > "John Moore" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    > <<Today I went out and bought a new DVD player. To my frustration,
    > Vertigo does not play in it either. Am I just out of luck, or is there
    > a way to request a replacement? John>>
    >
    > Here is the number for Universal that owners of the mis-framed _Back to
    > the Future_ DVDs were told to call:
    >
    > (888) 703-0010.
    >
    > If this fails, _Vertigo_ now has a list price of $19.98 as compared to
    > its outrageous original price of $34.98. To be honest, Universal's
    > _Vertigo_ DVD has a lousy transfer. I have been hoping for the last few
    > years that Universal will finally give this title the high-bitrate,
    > anamorphic treatment that it deserves.


    Thank you for the number. I will contact them. I actually found Vertigo at
    ONE store locally for $14.99. It was absent everywhere else. I was
    surprised too, because it was not a major store, and normally stores like
    that charge more.

    John
     
    John Moore, Jan 31, 2004
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  13. John Moore

    Scot Gardner Guest

    "John Moore" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    <<Thank you for the number. I will contact them. I actually found
    Vertigo at ONE store locally for $14.99. It was absent everywhere else.
    I was surprised too, because it was not a major store, and normally
    stores like that charge more. John>>


    No problem. You might want to avoid all frustration with Universal and
    just pay for the new disk.
     
    Scot Gardner, Feb 1, 2004
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