Urgent, need help on drag and frop questions

Discussion in 'MCDST' started by Boyan, Dec 21, 2004.

  1. Boyan

    Boyan Guest

    Hi, I would like to ask a few questions about how to do
    drag and drop questions,

    1. if I have to configue permission for a folder to let
    users have read and execute right, in the working area,
    on the left I got two blank boxes, on the left I got two
    choices: read, read $ Execute. I know the permission
    should be read & execute. After draging it to the first
    blank box on the right, do I need drag the read also to
    fill the second black box? What I mean is read & excute
    inlcude read permission, in a normal win2003 server,if
    you choose read & excu in the permission tab, read will
    be auto selected. But in the exam, this would not happen.
    And the drag and drop type question does not require all
    blanks to be filled. So do I need to drag one or both?

    2. the questions asks to assign minimum actions to audit.
    I know the only answer is audit object. No other audits
    are needed. Again, in the working area, on the right ,
    there is a column of audit choices (audit login, audit
    object, and etc) each with a blank box. On the right,
    there are four choices, no audit, success, fail, success
    and fail. I should drag success and fail to audit object.
    But for the rest, should I need to set no audit or leave
    as blank?

    Thanks in advance.
    Boyan, Dec 21, 2004
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  2. Boyan

    Jason Guest

    The best answer to your query is to practice applying permissions in a real
    environment and to practice applying audits in a real environment. Learning
    textbook answers or the practice exam answers will not help you beyond
    passing the exam. Companies ultiamtely want individuals with knowledge in
    practical environments, not exam environments.

    At roughly $200 per box, you could build 5 boxes for $1000. Spend another
    $50 on a harware firewall and you can have a network with access to the
    internet. 90-day versions of W2K3 and W2K3 Server are available for free if
    you know where to go *grin* Set one up as your PDC and install AD and DHCP
    on that box. Set up a few GPO's and assign a few user accounts to each.
    Add the other boxes to the domain using appropraite naming conventions and
    add users randomly to each box. From a client box, remote into the server
    and assign permissions and set up audits and see what happens. It's
    remarkable what you can learn from PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS! For $1000, the
    amount of knowledge you gain is enough to pass most of the exams needed for
    your MCP, MCDST, MCSA and MCSE. Well worth the investment imho! Good luck.

    "Boyan" <> wrote in message
    news:125e01c4e73b$658135f0$...
    > Hi, I would like to ask a few questions about how to do
    > drag and drop questions,
    >
    > 1. if I have to configue permission for a folder to let
    > users have read and execute right, in the working area,
    > on the left I got two blank boxes, on the left I got two
    > choices: read, read $ Execute. I know the permission
    > should be read & execute. After draging it to the first
    > blank box on the right, do I need drag the read also to
    > fill the second black box? What I mean is read & excute
    > inlcude read permission, in a normal win2003 server,if
    > you choose read & excu in the permission tab, read will
    > be auto selected. But in the exam, this would not happen.
    > And the drag and drop type question does not require all
    > blanks to be filled. So do I need to drag one or both?
    >
    > 2. the questions asks to assign minimum actions to audit.
    > I know the only answer is audit object. No other audits
    > are needed. Again, in the working area, on the right ,
    > there is a column of audit choices (audit login, audit
    > object, and etc) each with a blank box. On the right,
    > there are four choices, no audit, success, fail, success
    > and fail. I should drag success and fail to audit object.
    > But for the rest, should I need to set no audit or leave
    > as blank?
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
    Jason, Dec 22, 2004
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  3. Boyan

    Guest

    Excellent advice. Even if you can afford only two boxes, building a
    network with a domain controller and a client operating system, you can
    learn a lot. I've recently upgraded my Windows 2000 MCSE to 2003 MCSE
    with a two box network. They helped me learn and experiment quite a
    bit. The worst that can happen is you do something wrong and then have
    an opportunity to learn by fixing it.

    But two boxes, and a subscription to Technet Plus (includes full
    versions of software) for $529 may be even better.
    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/abouttn/subscriptions/default.mspx

    Nothing beats experience, even if it's only experience you gain in your
    home network.

    sj
    www.certquest.net
    , Dec 23, 2004
    #3
  4. Boyan

    Jason Guest

    While that is true, scripts and batch files cannot truly be tested in a 2-PC
    "network". I guess that's the purist in me talking, but I only consider it
    a network when you have a minimum of 6 boxes (1 DC and 5 clients). Even
    then, a 6 box configuration could still be considered by many to still be a
    workgroup environment rather than a network, but I guess that's just a
    simple matter of how they're configured. I would also probably need to
    clarify that the 5 clients should not be identical in hardware configuration
    because that makes network updates too easy. True networks in the real
    world involve multiple PC variations with multiple platforms with multiple
    hardware configurations. A true network admin is one that can effectively
    manage ALL of that. Otherwise, you're only fooling yourself. :)

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Excellent advice. Even if you can afford only two boxes, building a
    > network with a domain controller and a client operating system, you can
    > learn a lot. I've recently upgraded my Windows 2000 MCSE to 2003 MCSE
    > with a two box network. They helped me learn and experiment quite a
    > bit. The worst that can happen is you do something wrong and then have
    > an opportunity to learn by fixing it.
    >
    > But two boxes, and a subscription to Technet Plus (includes full
    > versions of software) for $529 may be even better.
    > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/abouttn/subscriptions/default.mspx
    >
    > Nothing beats experience, even if it's only experience you gain in your
    > home network.
    >
    > sj
    > www.certquest.net
    >
    Jason, Dec 23, 2004
    #4
  5. Boyan

    Guest

    Go for six then if that's what you want. My two boxes have been two
    DCs, a DC and XP, a DC, and 2000 Pro and even 8 DCs when I was
    experimenting with Virtual PC. I've been able to do quite a bit
    (including running scripts and batch files) without my wife complaining
    too much about the clutter in my room :). Of course, I can do a lot
    more on the job, but that's a production environment and not one where
    mistakes are as easily accepted as in my test bed.

    I still echo your original message though - newcomers should get their
    hands on it. This is not theoretical knowledge, but practical
    knowledge. Since this is an MCDST forum, even one computer running XP
    is much better than none.

    I was recently at the dentist and the hygienist was talking about how
    she started. I began to wonder how they trained. Can you imagine
    being the first person a dental hygienist has worked on? Who would
    hire a hygienist that has leaned all the book knowledge, but never
    stuck a cleaning tool in somone's mouth? I learned that the school
    provides the service at low cost to people who otherwise may not be
    able to afford it - customers know what they're getting and student's
    are getting practice.

    Any field where students need to work with their hands on, hands on
    practice is essential. IT is no exception.

    sj
    www.certquest.net
    , Dec 23, 2004
    #5
  6. Boyan

    T-Bone Guest

    "Jason" <> wrote
    > I guess that's the purist in me talking, but I only consider it
    > a network when you have a minimum of 6 boxes (1 DC and 5 clients).


    What about MS virtual PC? I haven't had the time to play around with it yet,
    but it sounds like you might be able to cover your five client minimum with
    a less boxes?

    T-Bone
    T-Bone, Dec 23, 2004
    #6
  7. Boyan

    Jason Guest

    I have heard the masses and concur that Virtual PC environments can simulate
    a larger network pretty effectively, but now we are getting into advanced
    networking which is beyond the scope of the MCDST purview. The virtual
    environment can be a good utility to testing scripts and batch files before
    deploying in a true production environment, but I would still like to have
    at least 2 or 3 different hardware configurations test out in the virtual
    environment before deploying in production.

    The more I think about the TCO though, two boxes at a min of $200-$300, plus
    the technet apps for $599 is $800-$900. Add a min of $100-$200 in for the
    virtual PC emulation software and now we are back up in the G-range, so no
    matter how you slice it, getting the hands-on requires a little front money.
    Unless you are lucky of course (like I was) and find a co. that is willing
    to invest in you if you show the aptitude. Boy what a mistake my employer
    made! LOL

    The bottom line here though is that it is better to learn hands on
    regardless of the environment, virtual or otherwise, rather than answering
    book questions a certain way. Case in point is an end user who wants to
    connect from home using XP Home Ed. and a VPN connection. Since our
    production environment is all XP Pro and W2k, I must try a VPN connection on
    my own box with XPH (a.k.a. POS) on it to see if the two even work together
    before letting this schmuck in from his home desktop. Anyway, off until
    after the holiday (hopefully) so Merry X-Mas all!

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Go for six then if that's what you want. My two boxes have been two
    > DCs, a DC and XP, a DC, and 2000 Pro and even 8 DCs when I was
    > experimenting with Virtual PC. I've been able to do quite a bit
    > (including running scripts and batch files) without my wife complaining
    > too much about the clutter in my room :). Of course, I can do a lot
    > more on the job, but that's a production environment and not one where
    > mistakes are as easily accepted as in my test bed.
    >
    > I still echo your original message though - newcomers should get their
    > hands on it. This is not theoretical knowledge, but practical
    > knowledge. Since this is an MCDST forum, even one computer running XP
    > is much better than none.
    >
    > I was recently at the dentist and the hygienist was talking about how
    > she started. I began to wonder how they trained. Can you imagine
    > being the first person a dental hygienist has worked on? Who would
    > hire a hygienist that has leaned all the book knowledge, but never
    > stuck a cleaning tool in somone's mouth? I learned that the school
    > provides the service at low cost to people who otherwise may not be
    > able to afford it - customers know what they're getting and student's
    > are getting practice.
    >
    > Any field where students need to work with their hands on, hands on
    > practice is essential. IT is no exception.
    >
    > sj
    > www.certquest.net
    >
    Jason, Dec 23, 2004
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