Unfsckingbelievable!

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by Mike T., May 30, 2005.

  1. Mike T.

    Mike T. Guest

    And we thought WE had problems with dumpers...THIS is scary stuff...


    PHILADELPHIA - Doctors who fail the American Board of Surgery written exam
    are no longer allowed to review their tests privately after one man wrote
    down the answers to dozens of questions and offered them for sale on the
    Internet.

    The board found out last summer that 86 questions used on its 290-question
    multiple-choice exam were listed on eBay.

    Board officials said it took just a few anonymous e-mail exchanges with the
    auctioneer to reach the doctor who had obtained the questions.

    "These are the actual certifying general surgery board questions with
    correct answers, guaranteed to improve your test score," the auctioneer
    wrote in August 2004. "A friend of mine failed this written exam, paid the
    $100 sitting fee and flew to Philadelphia to review his test. ... Why take
    the chance at failing, getting a year behind your peers...? Get an advantage
    now!"

    Craig Edward Amshel, a rectal specialist from St. Augustine, Fla., failed
    the 2002 exam. But, as was the practice at the time, he was later allowed to
    review his test, alone, at the board's offices in downtown Philadelphia for
    several hours.

    Amshel sold two or three sets of questions for $180 to $300, said his
    lawyer, David R. Dearden.

    "I was able to take notes very quickly and wrote down about 100 questions
    with the correct answer," Amshel wrote in an e-mail to a person posing, on
    the board's behalf, as someone preparing to take the 2004 exam. "Believe me,
    I was quite thrilled when I took the test last year as some questions were
    verbatim."

    Amshel, who passed the 2003 test, has had his board certification revoked.
    The board sued him in federal court in Philadelphia last fall, alleging
    copyright infringement and civil theft. Amshel admitted to a copyright
    violation but not the accusation of civil theft.

    He agreed to pay $36,000, the estimated cost of assembling teams of surgeons
    to go through the process of creating and testing new questions.

    "This is a sad incident - first, because it's so bizarre, but also because
    it says so much about the person's disregard for the rules and ethics," said
    the board's lawyer, Gabriel L.I. Bevilacqua.

    Amshel is now focused on restoring his certification through the board's
    appeals process, his attorney said.

    "He didn't believe what he was doing was wrong," Dearden said. "He's a young
    surgeon just getting started, well-regarded, and just trying to put this
    behind him."

    In addition to passing the all-day exam, a surgeon also must complete five
    years of training, get a recommendation from a mentor and complete an oral
    exam.
    Mike T., May 30, 2005
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  2. Mike T.

    T-Bone Guest

    > Craig Edward Amshel, a rectal specialist from St. Augustine, Fla., failed
    There a punchline for that out there somewhere.

    > In addition to passing the all-day exam, a surgeon also must complete five
    > years of training, get a recommendation from a mentor and complete an oral
    > exam.

    Now there's what MS needs to use!

    Although now that I read my previous quote, I'm not sure if it would be
    fully compatible with Amshel's specialty.

    T-Bone
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    T-Bone, May 30, 2005
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  3. Mike T.

    Kline Sphere Guest

    >Craig Edward Amshel, a rectal specialist from St. Augustine, Fla., failed
    >the 2002 exam.


    I guess your can say he's a true a$$fcuker

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, May 30, 2005
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  4. Mike T.

    Kline Sphere Guest

    >> In addition to passing the all-day exam, a surgeon also must complete five
    >> years of training, get a recommendation from a mentor and complete an oral
    >> exam.

    >Now there's what MS needs to use!


    For the oral exam, do you have to spit or swallow?

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, May 30, 2005
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  5. Mike T.

    Guest Guest

    "Mike T." <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Craig Edward Amshel, a rectal specialist from St. Augustine, Fla., failed
    > the 2002 exam. But, as was the practice at the time, he was later allowed
    > to review his test, alone, at the board's offices in downtown Philadelphia
    > for several hours.


    A rectal specialist? I think a federal probe may be in order.

    Microcephalic S. Bob
    Guest, May 30, 2005
    #5
  6. Mike T.

    Rowdy Yates Guest

    not to be one to shake your grasp of reality -- but here is a true story.
    i just stated taking a course in university. been a gazillion years since
    i did that.

    all the fuskin' 20 year old university students in my class are cheating
    left, right, and center. and here i was worried i was too dumb for
    university. we are talkin about a $15,000 + per year education and these
    dumb-arses are thorwing it down the toilet.



    "Mike T." <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in
    news::

    > And we thought WE had problems with dumpers...THIS is scary stuff...
    >
    >
    > PHILADELPHIA - Doctors who fail the American Board of Surgery written
    > exam are no longer allowed to review their tests privately after one
    > man wrote down the answers to dozens of questions and offered them for
    > sale on the Internet.
    >
    > The board found out last summer that 86 questions used on its
    > 290-question multiple-choice exam were listed on eBay.
    >
    > Board officials said it took just a few anonymous e-mail exchanges
    > with the auctioneer to reach the doctor who had obtained the
    > questions.
    >
    > "These are the actual certifying general surgery board questions with
    > correct answers, guaranteed to improve your test score," the
    > auctioneer wrote in August 2004. "A friend of mine failed this written
    > exam, paid the $100 sitting fee and flew to Philadelphia to review his
    > test. ... Why take the chance at failing, getting a year behind your
    > peers...? Get an advantage now!"
    >
    > Craig Edward Amshel, a rectal specialist from St. Augustine, Fla.,
    > failed the 2002 exam. But, as was the practice at the time, he was
    > later allowed to review his test, alone, at the board's offices in
    > downtown Philadelphia for several hours.
    >
    > Amshel sold two or three sets of questions for $180 to $300, said his
    > lawyer, David R. Dearden.
    >
    > "I was able to take notes very quickly and wrote down about 100
    > questions with the correct answer," Amshel wrote in an e-mail to a
    > person posing, on the board's behalf, as someone preparing to take the
    > 2004 exam. "Believe me, I was quite thrilled when I took the test last
    > year as some questions were verbatim."
    >
    > Amshel, who passed the 2003 test, has had his board certification
    > revoked. The board sued him in federal court in Philadelphia last
    > fall, alleging copyright infringement and civil theft. Amshel admitted
    > to a copyright violation but not the accusation of civil theft.
    >
    > He agreed to pay $36,000, the estimated cost of assembling teams of
    > surgeons to go through the process of creating and testing new
    > questions.
    >
    > "This is a sad incident - first, because it's so bizarre, but also
    > because it says so much about the person's disregard for the rules and
    > ethics," said the board's lawyer, Gabriel L.I. Bevilacqua.
    >
    > Amshel is now focused on restoring his certification through the
    > board's appeals process, his attorney said.
    >
    > "He didn't believe what he was doing was wrong," Dearden said. "He's a
    > young surgeon just getting started, well-regarded, and just trying to
    > put this behind him."
    >
    > In addition to passing the all-day exam, a surgeon also must complete
    > five years of training, get a recommendation from a mentor and
    > complete an oral exam.
    >
    >
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    > b?P=43yx80LaS.YHrNniQdHgOgO11RfOl0Ka9zsAA.9a&T=1694pq6ok%2fX%3d11174520
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    > 327 Attachment decoded:
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    --
    Rowdy Yates, MCNGP Thug #39
    http://www.mcngp.com/
    http://profiles.yahoo.com/rowdy_yates_mcngp
    Rowdy Yates, May 31, 2005
    #6
  7. Mike T.

    Guest Guest

    All of those kids will be rich one day, because they will have gotten that
    piece of paper.

    "Rowdy Yates" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns9666EFC35F37Erowdyyates2124@207.46.248.16...
    > not to be one to shake your grasp of reality -- but here is a true story.
    > i just stated taking a course in university. been a gazillion years since
    > i did that.
    >
    > all the fuskin' 20 year old university students in my class are cheating
    > left, right, and center. and here i was worried i was too dumb for
    > university. we are talkin about a $15,000 + per year education and these
    > dumb-arses are thorwing it down the toilet.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Mike T." <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    >> And we thought WE had problems with dumpers...THIS is scary stuff...
    >>
    >>
    >> PHILADELPHIA - Doctors who fail the American Board of Surgery written
    >> exam are no longer allowed to review their tests privately after one
    >> man wrote down the answers to dozens of questions and offered them for
    >> sale on the Internet.
    >>
    >> The board found out last summer that 86 questions used on its
    >> 290-question multiple-choice exam were listed on eBay.
    >>
    >> Board officials said it took just a few anonymous e-mail exchanges
    >> with the auctioneer to reach the doctor who had obtained the
    >> questions.
    >>
    >> "These are the actual certifying general surgery board questions with
    >> correct answers, guaranteed to improve your test score," the
    >> auctioneer wrote in August 2004. "A friend of mine failed this written
    >> exam, paid the $100 sitting fee and flew to Philadelphia to review his
    >> test. ... Why take the chance at failing, getting a year behind your
    >> peers...? Get an advantage now!"
    >>
    >> Craig Edward Amshel, a rectal specialist from St. Augustine, Fla.,
    >> failed the 2002 exam. But, as was the practice at the time, he was
    >> later allowed to review his test, alone, at the board's offices in
    >> downtown Philadelphia for several hours.
    >>
    >> Amshel sold two or three sets of questions for $180 to $300, said his
    >> lawyer, David R. Dearden.
    >>
    >> "I was able to take notes very quickly and wrote down about 100
    >> questions with the correct answer," Amshel wrote in an e-mail to a
    >> person posing, on the board's behalf, as someone preparing to take the
    >> 2004 exam. "Believe me, I was quite thrilled when I took the test last
    >> year as some questions were verbatim."
    >>
    >> Amshel, who passed the 2003 test, has had his board certification
    >> revoked. The board sued him in federal court in Philadelphia last
    >> fall, alleging copyright infringement and civil theft. Amshel admitted
    >> to a copyright violation but not the accusation of civil theft.
    >>
    >> He agreed to pay $36,000, the estimated cost of assembling teams of
    >> surgeons to go through the process of creating and testing new
    >> questions.
    >>
    >> "This is a sad incident - first, because it's so bizarre, but also
    >> because it says so much about the person's disregard for the rules and
    >> ethics," said the board's lawyer, Gabriel L.I. Bevilacqua.
    >>
    >> Amshel is now focused on restoring his certification through the
    >> board's appeals process, his attorney said.
    >>
    >> "He didn't believe what he was doing was wrong," Dearden said. "He's a
    >> young surgeon just getting started, well-regarded, and just trying to
    >> put this behind him."
    >>
    >> In addition to passing the all-day exam, a surgeon also must complete
    >> five years of training, get a recommendation from a mentor and
    >> complete an oral exam.
    >>
    >>
    >> begin 666
    >> b?P=43yx80LaS.YHrNniQdHgOgO11RfOl0Ka9zsAA.9a&T=1694pq6ok%2fX%3d11174520
    >> 91%2fE%3d8903239%2fR%3dnews%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3ddefault%2fY%3dYAHOO
    >> %2fF%3d987016342%2fH%3dY2FjaGVoaW50PSJuZXdzIiBjb250ZW50PSJBbWVyaWNhbjtt
    >> YW47SW50ZXJuZXQ7aXQi%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d84A949D1&U=13917733e%2fN%3d
    >> 59YipkLaSRY-%2fC%3d332139.6295573.7484482.2811172%2fD%3dLREC%2fB%3d2752
    >> 327 Attachment decoded:
    >> b-P=43yx80LaS.YHrNniQdHgOgO11RfOl0Ka9zsAA.9a&T=1694pq6ok%2fX%3d11174520
    >> 91%2fE%3d8903239%2fR%3dnews%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3ddefault%2fY%3dYAHOO
    >> %2fF%3d987016342%2fH%3dY2FjaGVoaW50PSJuZXdzIiBjb250ZW50PSJBbWVyaWNhbjtt
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    >> 59YipkLaSRY-%2fC%3d332139.6295573.7484482.2811172%2fD%3dLREC%2fB%3d2752
    >> 327 `
    >> end
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > Rowdy Yates, MCNGP Thug #39
    > http://www.mcngp.com/
    > http://profiles.yahoo.com/rowdy_yates_mcngp
    Guest, May 31, 2005
    #7
  8. Mike T.

    Mike T. Guest

    "Rowdy Yates" <> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    news:Xns9666EFC35F37Erowdyyates2124@207.46.248.16...
    > not to be one to shake your grasp of reality -- but here is a true story.
    > i just stated taking a course in university. been a gazillion years since
    > i did that.
    >


    Who the hell ever said that I HAVE a grasp of reality?????


    > all the fuskin' 20 year old university students in my class are cheating
    > left, right, and center. and here i was worried i was too dumb for
    > university. we are talkin about a $15,000 + per year education and these
    > dumb-arses are throwing it down the toilet.
    >


    No sh*t, bro...I went back at age 36, busted my hump the right way for four
    years, and saw these morons half my age just trying to BS their way through.
    [1] Of course, THEY'RE the ones that end up getting the jobs because being
    over 40 is career death. [2]

    [1] Here in Germany, age discrimination is perfectly legal. (Supposedly,
    they have until the end of 2006 to implement legislation to meet EU
    standards, but they're in no hurry whatsoever to do so). There are loads of
    job listings, especially in IT, that flat-out state that they don't want
    people over 30 or 35. The unemployment numbers just came out here, and the
    rate decreased slightly, but nearly HALF the new jobs went to people under
    25.

    [2] I did see intelligent, hardworking students as well, but, sadly, not
    nearly enough of them.

    --
    Mike T.
    MCNGP #XLI
    Mike T., May 31, 2005
    #8
  9. Mike T.

    Rowdy Yates Guest

    "Mike T." <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in news:O6$QlEeZFHA.3984
    @TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

    > Of course, THEY'RE the ones that end up getting the jobs because being
    > over 40 is career death.


    you are bloody right is it's career death. what you want to work for
    anyways you old piece of $hit!

    --
    Rowdy Yates, MCNGP Thug #39
    http://www.mcngp.com/
    http://profiles.yahoo.com/rowdy_yates_mcngp
    Rowdy Yates, Jun 1, 2005
    #9
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